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What Reforms Are Needed?
We don't know just how big this scandal is going to get but it's already ugly. There will probably be reforms enacted in the wake of this mess.

Here's some ideas that I've heard or which have occurred to me. Do you like any of them? (Yes, I know that some on the list are inconsistent with others on the list.) Do you have ideas of your own?

1. Implore the NBA to resume drafting high school seniors.
2. Forbid the display of apparel company logos or other advertising on college uniforms, including taping over logos on shoes. This would end apparel company contracts with NCAA schools.
3. Forbid NCAA coaches from signing endorsement deals with apparel companies.
4. Allow NCAA athletes to sign endorsement deals.
5. Allow NCAA athletes to hire agents, which could include agents paying stipends to NCAA athletes.
6. Allow NCAA schools to pay student athletes.
7. Forbid prospective student athletes from participating on teams sponsored by apparel companies.
09-27-2017 03:51 PM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
Most definitely it would help if the NBA would draft these kids out of high school.

Eliminating the athletic apparel contracts would be a massive change, but I'm not sure anything less will have any real effect. This whole seedy process that's been going on in college basketball for years is on it's way to infecting college football with it's 7 on 7 leagues. Severing athletic apparel sponsorships with schools may be actually on the table, to protect the massive enterprise that is college football.

We'll see how bad this gets, how many other coaches lose their jobs. If it gets as bad as I think it's going to get, nobody is going to want to risk the same thing happening in football.
09-27-2017 04:02 PM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
I would ask the NBA to give credit towards reaching eligibility for free agency for years played in college, or just base it on age. There would be less urgency for many players to leave early if they didn't need to start accumulating NBA service time.

Apparel deals have become an important source of revenue for schools. Eliminating that funding would be difficult, but there may be some momentum for it depending on how deep this scandal goes. At a minimum, take the coaches out of the equation to the extent possible.

Providing some additional opportunities for student athletes to make money would clearly reduce the temptation to take money from these kinds of sources. The NCAA really ought to study how it could make such a system would work. College sports will continue to experience scandals as long as kids have no way to make some legitimate money on the side. The NCAA was just in the news for telling a track athlete he couldn't market water bottles. Just STFU about stuff like that.
09-27-2017 04:09 PM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
How about schools follow the rules. *gasp*
09-28-2017 07:19 AM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
Limit coaches to contact only with parents/guardians and high school coaching staffs of recruits. Ban recruiting at events not sponsored by schools (like AAU "showcases") for football and basketball.

I imagine that once they have been cut out of the recruiting process you'll see a ton of these AAU parasites disappear.
09-28-2017 08:01 AM
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(09-28-2017 08:01 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Limit coaches to contact only with parents/guardians and high school coaching staffs of recruits. Ban recruiting at events not sponsored by schools (like AAU "showcases") for football and basketball.

I imagine that once they have been cut out of the recruiting process you'll see a ton of these AAU parasites disappear.


With the amount of $ involved they'll just find more creative ways around it.


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09-28-2017 09:05 AM
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With the amount of $ involved it maybe time to stop fighting it & start regulating it. Prohibition lead to bootlegging & now we regulate alcohol sales. What is wrong with these kids getting a signing bonus from the shoe companies (to officially sign after college)? Everyone is saying that the kids should be paid since the schools are making millions off of them, it's time to let them capitalize. Change the basketball draft rules as well, let them inter the draft & come back if they don't like their offer or go undrafted. It's time to fix the rules to help the kids & not the programs. JR had a great suggestion in another thread of essentially separating the AD from the academic & taxing the AD revenue. We've known that this stuff has been going on for decades, it's time to put the kids first.


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09-28-2017 09:17 AM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
Eliminate all athletic scholarships. If a kid wants to play college football or basketball or whatever, fine. Let him (or her) earn the right by making grades like other college-bound kids, let him apply and endure the selection process like everyone else, let him work, take out loans, finagle for scholastic scholarship grants, and pay tuition like everyone else. Then after he matriculates, let him go out for the Freshman team. If he makes the Freshman team, great, but no scholarship. Look at college sports as just another extracurricular activity like the chess club or the French club.

Yes, some kids from disadvantaged backgrounds are going to be deprived of a college education unless they buckle down in class and earn a scholastic scholarship.

One more thing. Pay coaches no more than tenured faculty. If they need more money than that, they can pursue other professions.
09-28-2017 11:37 AM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
(09-28-2017 09:05 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 08:01 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Limit coaches to contact only with parents/guardians and high school coaching staffs of recruits. Ban recruiting at events not sponsored by schools (like AAU "showcases") for football and basketball.

I imagine that once they have been cut out of the recruiting process you'll see a ton of these AAU parasites disappear.


With the amount of $ involved they'll just find more creative ways around it.


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If they have zero contact with colleges I don't see how they can.
09-28-2017 02:20 PM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
We'd have to *START* with getting rid of the NCAA if we're being serious about cleaning up.

Most of what else has been suggested is varying degrees of not practical, not legal, or flies in the face of economics.
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
Pay the players?

Expand the NBA Development League?

Have the NBA draft high school players and choose for the player to attend a college or the NBADL. The NBA would pay tuition/room&board, and the player to attend college or the NBADL.
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09-29-2017 06:30 PM
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RE: What Reforms Are Needed?
Establish a rule that participating in a summer league sponsored by an apparel company renders the player ineligible for NCAA.

These leagues are dirty, top to bottom, and provide little actual coaching. Since players and their families aren't paying for anything, they are presumably enjoying an impermissable benefit.

Let's make the players have to get their under the table cash from boosters, the way God intended.
09-30-2017 01:45 PM
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