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Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
When the news broke yesterday on the latest college sports scandal, I wondered why the FBI was involved. To my knowledge, I've never heard of the government getting involved in what is usually an NCAA or internal school matter. Some of those charged face possible terms of 80 years. This opinion piece questioned this very point:

The FBI Is Doing the NCAA's Dirty Work

I'm not saying the hammer shouldn't fall on any guilty individuals or schools, but were NCAA rules broken or actual U.S. laws? The FBI certainly has more investigative power and tools than the NCAA. Should the government be regulating college sports and recruiting.

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09-27-2017 07:31 AM
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
(09-27-2017 07:31 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  When the news broke yesterday on the latest college sports scandal, I wondered why the FBI was involved. To my knowledge, I've never heard of the government getting involved in what is usually an NCAA or internal school matter. Some of those charged face possible terms of 80 years. This opinion piece questioned this very point:

The FBI Is Doing the NCAA's Dirty Work

I'm not saying the hammer shouldn't fall on any guilty individuals or schools, but were NCAA rules broken or actual U.S. laws? The FBI certainly has more investigative power and tools than the NCAA. Should the government be regulating college sports and recruiting.

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You're talking millions of dollars of bribes. Yeah they should be involved and multi-national apparel companies ( adidas) involved.
09-27-2017 07:35 AM
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
short answer: yes
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
Well, HELL YES!!!!

This started with a fraud case against a sports agent. He is turning over the goods to save his ass. The FBI didn't set out to go after the NCAA, or the schools.

Once corporations were found to be bribing public institutions, and their employees inter-state, it opened the door for the FBI to walk through.

The IRS will be getting involved now too. This is a loose string on a sweater right now, and the FBI is about to pull long and slow.
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The reason the feds are involved are because of the under the table kickbacks people are getting from the shoe companies. The govt. sees that as money that should have been taxed. This is tax evasion. That is why the FBI is involved.
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
Because college sports has become a huge industry, I wouldn't mind a federal group that can actually investigate and call witnesses. I've been saying for a long time college basketball and the AAU circuit is corrupt. Bribes are being paid daily. Getting an elite AAU team can be very lucrative. Even football has been getting to that level with guys like Clint Hurtt. Ironically the same Louisville guy buys strippers, gifts, money, and friends with a ponzi scammer. These guys are the ones getting "recruiting" awards.
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Good points. I don't necessarily disagree with any of them. Is this different from boosters secretly funneling money to players? Has anyone been arrested before? How is this going to change college sports?
I've got way more questions than answers.
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Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
Universities received federal funds so yes
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
Let's see here:

Was a crime committed? If yes, continue.
Was the crime Federal in nature? If yes, continue.

If you answered Yes to the above, then the FBI must be involved.
09-27-2017 08:00 AM
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
(09-27-2017 07:57 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  Good points. I don't necessarily disagree with any of them. Is this different from boosters secretly funneling money to players? Has anyone been arrested before? How is this going to change college sports?
I've got way more questions than answers.

Even boosters funneling money to recruits is a bribe issue, tax issue, etc. We are no longer taking about a few hundred bucks. We are talking 6 figures at one player. Back in the 90's it was thought an elite QB costs around 50k in the SEC. Remember Teddy Bridgewater would have his entire family at all his games. 12-13 games all big expensive travel. That stuff gets funneled as gifts and part of business for some programs.
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(09-27-2017 07:57 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  Good points. I don't necessarily disagree with any of them. Is this different from boosters secretly funneling money to players? Has anyone been arrested before? How is this going to change college sports?
I've got way more questions than answers.

This is bigger than boosters giving money to players. That can only be investigated by the NCAA, and they have little to no teeth to compel people to talk. They have also demonstrated that they tend to turn a blind eye to the big money maker programs, as you know.

The FBI has the ability now, because of the fraud, corruption, and tax evasion charges to dig deep into this by using jail time, and subpoena power to force people to talk.

I personally love it.

The recruiting corruption is going to get blown up by their own greed. It has become so organized and so corrupt over the years that it has now allowed the FBI to get involved. If it had just occurred on a superficial level it could have gone on forever. AAU, and the shoe companies have hung themselves.
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
(09-27-2017 07:57 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  Good points. I don't necessarily disagree with any of them. Is this different from boosters secretly funneling money to players? Has anyone been arrested before? How is this going to change college sports?
I've got way more questions than answers.

Logan Young and Myron Piggie are two names that come to mind when you ask if anyone has been arrested before.

Dan Wetzel interviewed Myron Piggie about this:

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-aau-bask...06204.html
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(09-27-2017 08:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Let's see here:

Was a crime committed? If yes, continue.
Was the crime Federal in nature? If yes, continue.

If you answered Yes to the above, then the FBI must be involved.

Good points but the logic is reversed. The FBI IS involved BECAUSE federal laws have have been broken. Six federal crimes -- bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes and gratuities, conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and travel act conspiracy - and that is why the FBI is involved (and tax evasion will soon follow with the IRS). But these are the small fish which have been charged IMO to get to the big fish, the shoe companies, the involved institutions/coaches & their AAU runners. Lots of folks looking for cover today.
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Hopefully Big Baller Brand will be fine. That brand is built on integrity.
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RE: Should the FBI Be Involved in the Basketball Recruiting Scandal?
Of course the FBI should be involved. For decades, I have felt that way, but many fans say, "Aw, they are only breaking NCAA rules, not laws, so who cares? Everybody does it."

Now we see there are all kinds of federal laws being broken. Go for it. Burn every damn one of them.

P.S. Schools aren't victims, and neither are recruiting prospects. They are part of the problem. They are the perpetrators.

OTOH, the NCAA is not clean, either. They hide under the cloak of amateurism, while keeping hundreds of millions each year from the players who generate the revenue.
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With NCAA member schools being multi-state public institutions and private schools receiving federal funds, I could see the Feds taking over the NCAA, or forming a similar agency, under the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution.
This could be a good thing in principle or bad if corrupt college blue bloods get control. Sort of like what we have now, only with bigger teeth.
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(09-27-2017 07:58 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Universities received federal funds so yes

Yep, wish they would expand it to football.
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What I don't get is the distinction the FBI (and most here) draw between universities and the NCAA. The NCAA isn't some federal oversight committee set up by congress. The NCAA is an organization set up by universities and requires the vote of university presidents to make any major changes. The NCAA == university presidents.


To answer the original question, I don't know how the FBI didn't get involved when underage recruits were transferred over state lines to engage in sex acts with prostitutes. If any one of us got caught even planning to pay for a plane ticket for 17yo to come to our house where we paid prostitutes to have sex with them, we'd be in prison the next day.
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(09-27-2017 08:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Let's see here:

Was a crime committed? If yes, continue.
Was the crime Federal in nature? If yes, continue.

If you answered Yes to the above, then the FBI must be involved.

/thread. Rolling my eyes that this thread even exists.
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(09-27-2017 08:47 AM)MickMack Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 08:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Let's see here:

Was a crime committed? If yes, continue.
Was the crime Federal in nature? If yes, continue.

If you answered Yes to the above, then the FBI must be involved.

/thread. Rolling my eyes that this thread even exists.

Waiting for MlpsBison to come on here and say that the schools should not be punished because they are just buildings.
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