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Big Ten Rivalries
What are all the rivalries in the Big Ten? How many are for all sports and how many are for a single sport? Big or small, one-sided or not, I am just looking for some history of the conference. 04-cheers
09-26-2017 09:21 PM
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(09-26-2017 09:21 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What are all the rivalries in the Big Ten? How many are for all sports and how many are for a single sport? Big or small, one-sided or not, I am just looking for some history of the conference. 04-cheers

This would be a good start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bi...alry_games

Believe it or not, those "trophies" mean something.
09-27-2017 08:08 AM
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RE: Big Ten Rivalries
Cannon Wars -- Rutgers and Princeton

While not an inconference rivalry, the cannon wars between Rutgers and Princeton has been going on for over 100 years.
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(09-27-2017 08:08 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 09:21 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What are all the rivalries in the Big Ten? How many are for all sports and how many are for a single sport? Big or small, one-sided or not, I am just looking for some history of the conference. 04-cheers

This would be a good start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bi...alry_games

Believe it or not, those "trophies" mean something.

Despite having a trophy, Penn State-Minnesota isn't a rivalry. The same can be said about Penn State-Michigan State for the most part. That's why a list like that isn't great and it doesn't show how many times they've played.
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(09-27-2017 05:04 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 08:08 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 09:21 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What are all the rivalries in the Big Ten? How many are for all sports and how many are for a single sport? Big or small, one-sided or not, I am just looking for some history of the conference. 04-cheers

This would be a good start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bi...alry_games

Believe it or not, those "trophies" mean something.

Despite having a trophy, Penn State-Minnesota isn't a rivalry. The same can be said about Penn State-Michigan State for the most part. That's why a list like that isn't great and it doesn't show how many times they've played.

That list isn't meant as the be all, end all, rather a place to start with some examples. BR has a pretty good list of inter-conference rivalries.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/16312...in-the-b1g

Several teams have pretty good rivalries with Notre Dame like Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. One of the unfortunate side effects of the CFP and realignment is that many of those games are only played every few years.
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RE: Big Ten Rivalries
When they were discussing divisional alignment after inviting Rutgers, someone at mgoblue submitted this and I thought it was a good reflection at the time for football. Basically, the black lines were rivalries that are huge for a school. The blue ones are ones that were important to play and will be missed when not played. The green ones were ones were trophies exist and/or there is some rivalry aspects and which would be good to play every year, but are not necessary.

[Image: big-ten-rivalries_0.jpg]

Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have slowly been integrated since then. I would draw a green line between Nebraska and Wisconsin and probably Rutgers and Maryland.

From a personal standpoint with football, I love the Illinois game as it is our only trophy game and once (long ago) was even a season ending game. We played them every year until the conference expanded to 11. The Wisconsin game has been the one that has probably had me most nervous over the years. The Penn State game is probably the closest one to a 2nd rivalry though due to proximity, divisional alignment, etc

Now if we my personal order for Ohio State rivalries are the following for basketball:
1. Michigan (regardless of sport they are big).
2. Wisconsin (not sure how Ohio State fans would rank on the whole, but I got into it the sport with them seeming to always be a big game).
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(09-30-2017 07:20 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  When they were discussing divisional alignment after inviting Rutgers, someone at mgoblue submitted this and I thought it was a good reflection at the time for football. Basically, the black lines were rivalries that are huge for a school. The blue ones are ones that were important to play and will be missed when not played. The green ones were ones were trophies exist and/or there is some rivalry aspects and which would be good to play every year, but are not necessary.

[Image: big-ten-rivalries_0.jpg]

Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have slowly been integrated since then. I would draw a green line between Nebraska and Wisconsin and probably Rutgers and Maryland.

From a personal standpoint with football, I love the Illinois game as it is our only trophy game and once (long ago) was even a season ending game. We played them every year until the conference expanded to 11. The Wisconsin game has been the one that has probably had me most nervous over the years. The Penn State game is probably the closest one to a 2nd rivalry though due to proximity, divisional alignment, etc

Now if we my personal order for Ohio State rivalries are the following for basketball:
1. Michigan (regardless of sport they are big).
2. Wisconsin (not sure how Ohio State fans would rank on the whole, but I got into it the sport with them seeming to always be a big game).

That is a good representation of the rivalries. I would agree with putting the green line between UMD & RU for football. If basketball is taken into account I'd add a green line from UMD to MSU.

On a semi-related note. I feel like the Big Ten has done a really good job integrating Maryland and making them feel welcome. I think they've learned a lot since bringing PSU aboard.
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(09-30-2017 07:20 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  When they were discussing divisional alignment after inviting Rutgers, someone at mgoblue submitted this and I thought it was a good reflection at the time for football. Basically, the black lines were rivalries that are huge for a school. The blue ones are ones that were important to play and will be missed when not played. The green ones were ones were trophies exist and/or there is some rivalry aspects and which would be good to play every year, but are not necessary.

[Image: big-ten-rivalries_0.jpg]

Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have slowly been integrated since then. I would draw a green line between Nebraska and Wisconsin and probably Rutgers and Maryland.

From a personal standpoint with football, I love the Illinois game as it is our only trophy game and once (long ago) was even a season ending game. We played them every year until the conference expanded to 11. The Wisconsin game has been the one that has probably had me most nervous over the years. The Penn State game is probably the closest one to a 2nd rivalry though due to proximity, divisional alignment, etc

Now if we my personal order for Ohio State rivalries are the following for basketball:
1. Michigan (regardless of sport they are big).
2. Wisconsin (not sure how Ohio State fans would rank on the whole, but I got into it the sport with them seeming to always be a big game).

That's a great chart!

I would put at least a green line between PSU and Michigan. They've been a thorn in Penn State's side for a long time. Iowa gets a green line too as they ruined a perfect season and a possible national championship in 2008 and nearly did it this year. I'm starting to hate Iowa.

I wish Penn State and Nebraska were playing more often. That was supposed to be a cross division set rivalry back with Leaders-Legends if my memory serves me.
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RE: Big Ten Rivalries
It was. Legends and Leaders had its strengths even in its weaknesses.

Legends-Leaders
Michigan-Ohio State
Nebraska-Penn State
Iowa-Purdue
Michigan State-Indiana
Minnesota-Wisconsin
Northwestern-Illinois

Strengths:
1. Fairly balanced really. Top of Leaders was probably a bit higher when you consider Penn State advantages over Nebraska and Wisconsin, but not by much. The Legends was deeper in strength.
2. Gave us some good top match-ups annually. Encouraged rivalries between some teams where there is less reason to see one now (example: Michigan vs. Nebraska who would have been divisional rivals).

Weaknesses:
1. The names. Not only do the divisions feel somewhat random, but you had two divisional names that started with the letter L. Asking any outsider to remember who was in what division was difficult to say the least and I like what we called them on another board, "The Where is Wisconsin Division" and the "Why is Wisconsin Here Division."
2. The divisions were set-up with the idea of moving up Ohio State/Michigan up a bit on the schedule and then allowing them to play each other in the championship some years. I suspect we would have seen Ohio State/Penn State and Michigan/Michigan State as season ending if they would gone through with that (although they might have simply rotated some). Regardless, the fans revolted and that meant keeping the "The Game" as season ending which meant one of the more compelling possible championship games would be an immediate rematch possibility.
3. Wisconsin was separated from absolutely everyone nearby. Minnesota was only preserved with the locked crossover. Iowa was locked. Nebraska, a promising new rival for them, was separated.
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RE: Big Ten Rivalries
(09-30-2017 08:46 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 07:20 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  When they were discussing divisional alignment after inviting Rutgers, someone at mgoblue submitted this and I thought it was a good reflection at the time for football. Basically, the black lines were rivalries that are huge for a school. The blue ones are ones that were important to play and will be missed when not played. The green ones were ones were trophies exist and/or there is some rivalry aspects and which would be good to play every year, but are not necessary.

[Image: big-ten-rivalries_0.jpg]

Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have slowly been integrated since then. I would draw a green line between Nebraska and Wisconsin and probably Rutgers and Maryland.

From a personal standpoint with football, I love the Illinois game as it is our only trophy game and once (long ago) was even a season ending game. We played them every year until the conference expanded to 11. The Wisconsin game has been the one that has probably had me most nervous over the years. The Penn State game is probably the closest one to a 2nd rivalry though due to proximity, divisional alignment, etc

Now if we my personal order for Ohio State rivalries are the following for basketball:
1. Michigan (regardless of sport they are big).
2. Wisconsin (not sure how Ohio State fans would rank on the whole, but I got into it the sport with them seeming to always be a big game).

That is a good representation of the rivalries. I would agree with putting the green line between UMD & RU for football. If basketball is taken into account I'd add a green line from UMD to MSU.

On a semi-related note. I feel like the Big Ten has done a really good job integrating Maryland and making them feel welcome. I think they've learned a lot since bringing PSU aboard.

At the end of the day, I think RU/Md will become a bigger rivalry than either will have with State Penn.
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