https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

Quote:It has long been speculated that those internet giants will at least have a hand in the next round of conference alignment by bidding on media rights. It's early -- way early -- but at least preliminary discussions have begun on possible business relationships.

Facebook, Google, Amazon and others for live streaming college sports. We might see some G5 schools go into P5 in the next round. MWC already have some games streaming live this season on Facebook. We may not know when the dam will break. The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC. It seems the Big 12 are the ones in the news about exploring on how to get more money. As it is, we may not know when this will happen. It could be today or it could be in December. I know the Big Sky and Portland State do have a channel on Pluto TV. Lets see how this goes.

It's an interesting thought, how then would the CFB landscape change if television markets are no longer the factor they have been in the past? I've also heard the prospect of relegation mentioned with the advent of internet-based media contracts, how would this affect conferences in the long run?

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I see this headed in a different direction. We had a group of conferences (CFA) negotiating media deals. Now we have individual conferences negotiating media deals. The next step will be individual schools starting their own streaming service. The P12, ACC, SEC, B1G and many B12 schools already have production facilities. Why not eliminate the middle man and make more money? CBS is starting their own streaming service. Disney/ABC is buying one.

I certainly see the viewership value of programs being the new driving force. This might lead a conference like the SEC to suddenly have have interest in programs like Clemson and Florida St, by in large seen as unnecessary due to market presence in those states already, suddenly being more attractive.

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

Quote:It has long been speculated that those internet giants will at least have a hand in the next round of conference alignment by bidding on media rights. It's early -- way early -- but at least preliminary discussions have begun on possible business relationships.

Facebook, Google, Amazon and others for live streaming college sports. We might see some G5 schools go into P5 in the next round. MWC already have some games streaming live this season on Facebook. We may not know when the dam will break. The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC. It seems the Big 12 are the ones in the news about exploring on how to get more money. As it is, we may not know when this will happen. It could be today or it could be in December. I know the Big Sky and Portland State do have a channel on Pluto TV. Lets see how this goes.

(09-26-2017 06:49 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  It's an interesting thought, how then would the CFB landscape change if television markets are no longer the factor they have been in the past? I've also heard the prospect of relegation mentioned with the advent of internet-based media contracts, how would this affect conferences in the long run?

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People are still streaming from somewhere. Brand and market share aren't going anywhere.

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(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

Quote:It has long been speculated that those internet giants will at least have a hand in the next round of conference alignment by bidding on media rights. It's early -- way early -- but at least preliminary discussions have begun on possible business relationships.

Facebook, Google, Amazon and others for live streaming college sports. We might see some G5 schools go into P5 in the next round. MWC already have some games streaming live this season on Facebook. We may not know when the dam will break. The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC. It seems the Big 12 are the ones in the news about exploring on how to get more money. As it is, we may not know when this will happen. It could be today or it could be in December. I know the Big Sky and Portland State do have a channel on Pluto TV. Lets see how this goes.

That's certainly a possibility.

If this is, in fact, the driving force behind the next round of realignment it seems to me that the companies involved will be focusing more on things like student population, alumni base, etc. Combine that with social media presence such as facebook "likes", twitter followers, etc. All those would contribute to the potential market for said team's ability to gain subscribers to that service.

In the beginning, something like Pluto TV will enhance the Big Sky and serve as a test to see if it's worth approaching bigger conferences. Big Sky gets exposure so it's a win for them.

I can't help but think that a conference like the B1G isn't already looking into this considering streaming might be the wave of the future.

I also wonder if the current rocky relationship people have with the NFL will eventually drive more people to college sports, hence more people willing to stream.

Interesting thing about the Big Sky channel it always shows old games.
Then on game day up to five new channels so far maybe more get added for each home game.
Looks like all Big Sky games are available as long as the school streams them.
Compare that to Stadium showing one game at a time from different conferences.
What the Big Sky main channel should do is have the schools piece together their youtube channel videos and make coaches shows for each school vs old games now.

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This could very well end up being a primary outlet--or even THE primary outlet for some conferences. I question whether or not there will be much money coming from these entities. What I could see is each school creating its own streams and selling them pay-per-view style in a streamed format. That could be a boon for some schools and major revenue hit for others.

(09-26-2017 07:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I certainly see the viewership value of programs being the new driving force. This might lead a conference like the SEC to suddenly have have interest in programs like Clemson and Florida St, by in large seen as unnecessary due to market presence in those states already, suddenly being more attractive.

This theory was discussed on this board a few years ago. ECU's old AD, Terry Holland said something similar. Supposedly the AAC's Mike Aresco has had some preliminary discussions with one of the major streaming companies (I think Amazon?).

Only thing changes with streaming is you have better data on how many watch and who they are and you probably lose or reduce the carriage fee premium for better supported schools.

(09-27-2017 06:45 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

Quote:It has long been speculated that those internet giants will at least have a hand in the next round of conference alignment by bidding on media rights. It's early -- way early -- but at least preliminary discussions have begun on possible business relationships.

Facebook, Google, Amazon and others for live streaming college sports. We might see some G5 schools go into P5 in the next round. MWC already have some games streaming live this season on Facebook. We may not know when the dam will break. The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC. It seems the Big 12 are the ones in the news about exploring on how to get more money. As it is, we may not know when this will happen. It could be today or it could be in December. I know the Big Sky and Portland State do have a channel on Pluto TV. Lets see how this goes.

That's certainly a possibility.

If this is, in fact, the driving force behind the next round of realignment it seems to me that the companies involved will be focusing more on things like student population, alumni base, etc. Combine that with social media presence such as facebook "likes", twitter followers, etc. All those would contribute to the potential market for said team's ability to gain subscribers to that service.

In the beginning, something like Pluto TV will enhance the Big Sky and serve as a test to see if it's worth approaching bigger conferences. Big Sky gets exposure so it's a win for them.

I can't help but think that a conference like the B1G isn't already looking into this considering streaming might be the wave of the future.

I also wonder if the current rocky relationship people have with the NFL will eventually drive more people to college sports, hence more people willing to stream.

Well, look at the state of Texas? You could split the state into 3 states. West, Central and East
Facebook likes, Twitter and other social media would break down this way. Since Texas is not near by those large cities in that part of the state, you do get schools like UTEP, Texas Tech, West Texas A&M, Angelo State and UTPB get a lot of support and following. The towns usually support local teams when you can't get the Longhorns to go to their town, and that they are too far away from Austin for fans to travel. Look at Colorado Mesa? They do show live streaming of their games. They are even on ESPN3 this Saturday against CSU-Pueblo. RMAC do have a RMAC network.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RMACSPORTS

This is something someone mentioned what D1 could do with their conference Networks.

http://rmacsports.org/news/2015/8/1/GEN_0801150750.aspx

GNAC also uses Stretch along with BYU, UNR, CAA, and many more.

(09-26-2017 07:27 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I see this headed in a different direction. We had a group of conferences (CFA) negotiating media deals. Now we have individual conferences negotiating media deals. The next step will be individual schools starting their own streaming service. The P12, ACC, SEC, B1G and many B12 schools already have production facilities. Why not eliminate the middle man and make more money? CBS is starting their own streaming service. Disney/ABC is buying one.

Agree completely. Could basically be a pay per view deal. Just send out the in-stadium video feeds to a streaming service and cash the checks.

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(09-27-2017 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:45 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

Quote:It has long been speculated that those internet giants will at least have a hand in the next round of conference alignment by bidding on media rights. It's early -- way early -- but at least preliminary discussions have begun on possible business relationships.

Facebook, Google, Amazon and others for live streaming college sports. We might see some G5 schools go into P5 in the next round. MWC already have some games streaming live this season on Facebook. We may not know when the dam will break. The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC. It seems the Big 12 are the ones in the news about exploring on how to get more money. As it is, we may not know when this will happen. It could be today or it could be in December. I know the Big Sky and Portland State do have a channel on Pluto TV. Lets see how this goes.

That's certainly a possibility.

If this is, in fact, the driving force behind the next round of realignment it seems to me that the companies involved will be focusing more on things like student population, alumni base, etc. Combine that with social media presence such as facebook "likes", twitter followers, etc. All those would contribute to the potential market for said team's ability to gain subscribers to that service.

In the beginning, something like Pluto TV will enhance the Big Sky and serve as a test to see if it's worth approaching bigger conferences. Big Sky gets exposure so it's a win for them.

I can't help but think that a conference like the B1G isn't already looking into this considering streaming might be the wave of the future.

I also wonder if the current rocky relationship people have with the NFL will eventually drive more people to college sports, hence more people willing to stream.

Well, look at the state of Texas? You could split the state into 3 states. West, Central and East
Facebook likes, Twitter and other social media would break down this way. Since Texas is not near by those large cities in that part of the state, you do get schools like UTEP, Texas Tech, West Texas A&M, Angelo State and UTPB get a lot of support and following. The towns usually support local teams when you can't get the Longhorns to go to their town, and that they are too far away from Austin for fans to travel. Look at Colorado Mesa? They do show live streaming of their games. They are even on ESPN3 this Saturday against CSU-Pueblo. RMAC do have a RMAC network.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RMACSPORTS

This is something someone mentioned what D1 could do with their conference Networks.

http://rmacsports.org/news/2015/8/1/GEN_0801150750.aspx

GNAC also uses Stretch along with BYU, UNR, CAA, and many more.

No matter which criteria you use to determine the "worthiness" of a school, there has to be some common sense involved. Common sense being the other factors listed, population, alumni, etc.

No one is going to suggest Angelo State be pushed into a conference because they have a large number of facebook friends. That being said, social media will have a greater influence in decision making. A school with the reach of a Texas could have fans all over the world wanting to stream their games which would make it more likely the Amazons of the world would want to put a deal together.

(09-28-2017 12:38 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:45 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

Quote:It has long been speculated that those internet giants will at least have a hand in the next round of conference alignment by bidding on media rights. It's early -- way early -- but at least preliminary discussions have begun on possible business relationships.

Facebook, Google, Amazon and others for live streaming college sports. We might see some G5 schools go into P5 in the next round. MWC already have some games streaming live this season on Facebook. We may not know when the dam will break. The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC. It seems the Big 12 are the ones in the news about exploring on how to get more money. As it is, we may not know when this will happen. It could be today or it could be in December. I know the Big Sky and Portland State do have a channel on Pluto TV. Lets see how this goes.

That's certainly a possibility.

If this is, in fact, the driving force behind the next round of realignment it seems to me that the companies involved will be focusing more on things like student population, alumni base, etc. Combine that with social media presence such as facebook "likes", twitter followers, etc. All those would contribute to the potential market for said team's ability to gain subscribers to that service.

In the beginning, something like Pluto TV will enhance the Big Sky and serve as a test to see if it's worth approaching bigger conferences. Big Sky gets exposure so it's a win for them.

I can't help but think that a conference like the B1G isn't already looking into this considering streaming might be the wave of the future.

I also wonder if the current rocky relationship people have with the NFL will eventually drive more people to college sports, hence more people willing to stream.

Well, look at the state of Texas? You could split the state into 3 states. West, Central and East
Facebook likes, Twitter and other social media would break down this way. Since Texas is not near by those large cities in that part of the state, you do get schools like UTEP, Texas Tech, West Texas A&M, Angelo State and UTPB get a lot of support and following. The towns usually support local teams when you can't get the Longhorns to go to their town, and that they are too far away from Austin for fans to travel. Look at Colorado Mesa? They do show live streaming of their games. They are even on ESPN3 this Saturday against CSU-Pueblo. RMAC do have a RMAC network.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RMACSPORTS

This is something someone mentioned what D1 could do with their conference Networks.

http://rmacsports.org/news/2015/8/1/GEN_0801150750.aspx

GNAC also uses Stretch along with BYU, UNR, CAA, and many more.

No matter which criteria you use to determine the "worthiness" of a school, there has to be some common sense involved. Common sense being the other factors listed, population, alumni, etc.

No one is going to suggest Angelo State be pushed into a conference because they have a large number of facebook friends. That being said, social media will have a greater influence in decision making. A school with the reach of a Texas could have fans all over the world wanting to stream their games which would make it more likely the Amazons of the world would want to put a deal together.

Maybe this helps the Florida twins get into the Bigs. Huge enrollments creating huge alumni bases in the hotbed of CFB.

(09-28-2017 12:38 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:45 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

Quote:It has long been speculated that those internet giants will at least have a hand in the next round of conference alignment by bidding on media rights. It's early -- way early -- but at least preliminary discussions have begun on possible business relationships.

Facebook, Google, Amazon and others for live streaming college sports. We might see some G5 schools go into P5 in the next round. MWC already have some games streaming live this season on Facebook. We may not know when the dam will break. The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC. It seems the Big 12 are the ones in the news about exploring on how to get more money. As it is, we may not know when this will happen. It could be today or it could be in December. I know the Big Sky and Portland State do have a channel on Pluto TV. Lets see how this goes.

That's certainly a possibility.

If this is, in fact, the driving force behind the next round of realignment it seems to me that the companies involved will be focusing more on things like student population, alumni base, etc. Combine that with social media presence such as facebook "likes", twitter followers, etc. All those would contribute to the potential market for said team's ability to gain subscribers to that service.

In the beginning, something like Pluto TV will enhance the Big Sky and serve as a test to see if it's worth approaching bigger conferences. Big Sky gets exposure so it's a win for them.

I can't help but think that a conference like the B1G isn't already looking into this considering streaming might be the wave of the future.

I also wonder if the current rocky relationship people have with the NFL will eventually drive more people to college sports, hence more people willing to stream.

Well, look at the state of Texas? You could split the state into 3 states. West, Central and East
Facebook likes, Twitter and other social media would break down this way. Since Texas is not near by those large cities in that part of the state, you do get schools like UTEP, Texas Tech, West Texas A&M, Angelo State and UTPB get a lot of support and following. The towns usually support local teams when you can't get the Longhorns to go to their town, and that they are too far away from Austin for fans to travel. Look at Colorado Mesa? They do show live streaming of their games. They are even on ESPN3 this Saturday against CSU-Pueblo. RMAC do have a RMAC network.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RMACSPORTS

This is something someone mentioned what D1 could do with their conference Networks.

http://rmacsports.org/news/2015/8/1/GEN_0801150750.aspx

GNAC also uses Stretch along with BYU, UNR, CAA, and many more.

No matter which criteria you use to determine the "worthiness" of a school, there has to be some common sense involved. Common sense being the other factors listed, population, alumni, etc.

No one is going to suggest Angelo State be pushed into a conference because they have a large number of facebook friends. That being said, social media will have a greater influence in decision making. A school with the reach of a Texas could have fans all over the world wanting to stream their games which would make it more likely the Amazons of the world would want to put a deal together.

Some of these big name D2 schools have more following on Facebook than some of the MAC schools.

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC.

Remember, being "up there" with the B1G and SEC doesn't mean numerically. There are other conferences with 14 members that aren't up there with the B1G and SEC.

No, what "up there" means is in terms of per-school value, and you don't increase your per-school value by adding less valuable schools, which is what G5 schools are. The involvement of Amazon or Facebook doesn't make a Temple or USF, SDSU or Northern Illinois any more valuable relative to the P5 than they already are. The Big 12 already did that analysis and came to that conclusion a year ago, and Amazon and Facebook didn't become two of the most valuable companies by paying more for less, which is what paying more for a P5 diluted by the addition of G5 would likely be.

So if the involvement of internet companies like Facebook and Amazon impacts on realignment, and I agree it could, it would likely take the form of P5 expansion via poaching other P5, not expansion via the addition of G5. And if over time a G5 school does build up its brand value to the point of being valuable to a P5, they will get the call up by someone whether Amazon or Facebook take a deep plunge into college sports broadcasting or not.

(09-29-2017 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC.

Remember, being "up there" with the B1G and SEC doesn't mean numerically. There are other conferences with 14 members that aren't up there with the B1G and SEC.

No, what "up there" means is in terms of per-school value, and you don't increase your per-school value by adding less valuable schools, which is what G5 schools are. The involvement of Amazon or Facebook doesn't make a Temple or USF, SDSU or Northern Illinois any more valuable relative to the P5 than they already are. The Big 12 already did that analysis and came to that conclusion a year ago, and Amazon and Facebook didn't become two of the most valuable companies by paying more for less, which is what paying more for a P5 diluted by the addition of G5 would likely be.

So if the involvement of internet companies like Facebook and Amazon impacts on realignment, and I agree it could, it would likely take the form of P5 expansion via poaching other P5, not expansion via the addition of G5. And if over time a G5 school does build up its brand value to the point of being valuable to a P5, they will get the call up by someone whether Amazon or Facebook take a deep plunge into college sports broadcasting or not.

If the model becomes pay per viewer, there are already some G5 that could end up with P5 video rights exceeding lower caliber P5 programs in revenue.

(09-29-2017 01:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 06:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Internet could be the next big round of realignment as the power conferences want to grab the best schools that they can get. Maybe the Big 12 could still be in the expansion mode still? Bowlsby seems to be talking to these Internet sites. If they could get even more money to justify expansion? They could be the first one to start grabbing schools to be up there among the Big 10 and SEC.

Remember, being "up there" with the B1G and SEC doesn't mean numerically. There are other conferences with 14 members that aren't up there with the B1G and SEC.

No, what "up there" means is in terms of per-school value, and you don't increase your per-school value by adding less valuable schools, which is what G5 schools are. The involvement of Amazon or Facebook doesn't make a Temple or USF, SDSU or Northern Illinois any more valuable relative to the P5 than they already are. The Big 12 already did that analysis and came to that conclusion a year ago, and Amazon and Facebook didn't become two of the most valuable companies by paying more for less, which is what paying more for a P5 diluted by the addition of G5 would likely be.

So if the involvement of internet companies like Facebook and Amazon impacts on realignment, and I agree it could, it would likely take the form of P5 expansion via poaching other P5, not expansion via the addition of G5. And if over time a G5 school does build up its brand value to the point of being valuable to a P5, they will get the call up by someone whether Amazon or Facebook take a deep plunge into college sports broadcasting or not.

If the model becomes pay per viewer, there are already some G5 that could end up with P5 video rights exceeding lower caliber P5 programs in revenue.

Some of the ACC schools are like middle of the G5 pack with their viewership already. BYU, Boise State and Houston already have the niche to be more close to the middle of the pack of the ACC in viewers. This is why the ACC as a whole are more less than MWC and AAC overall. Tulsa might be the only one who could be lower than the lower end of the ACC schools for viewers.

While I think it's an interesting concept and might play an indirect role in realignment, one need not look further than professional sports to see that brand names mean something when it comes to viewership. A World Series between the New York Yankees and Chicago Cubs would dominate viewership but a World Series between the Milwaukee Brewers and Tampa Bay Rays would suffer. A Stanley Cup Finals between the Detroit Red Wings and Chicago Blackhawks would dominate viewership but a Stanley Cup Finals between the Florida Panthers and Arizona Coyotes would suffer. Every team has its fans which will be loyal, but good viewership requires drawing in the average sports fan and even the non-sports fan.

(09-29-2017 02:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  While I think it's an interesting concept and might play an indirect role in realignment, one need not look further than professional sports to see that brand names mean something when it comes to viewership. A World Series between the New York Yankees and Chicago Cubs would dominate viewership but a World Series between the Milwaukee Brewers and Tampa Bay Rays would suffer. A Stanley Cup Finals between the Detroit Red Wings and Chicago Blackhawks would dominate viewership but a Stanley Cup Finals between the Florida Panthers and Arizona Coyotes would suffer. Every team has its fans which will be loyal, but good viewership requires drawing in the average sports fan and even the non-sports fan.

Or a Cinderella team takes on a giant. Lets say Boise State takes on Alabama for the championship. Boise State have built themselves up as a giant slayer. People would tune in just to see if Boise State have enough to beat Alabama.