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So, how deep does this scandal go?
I can't imagine there are any fans, coaches, administrators or athletes who ever believed that surreptitious payments to elite high school players were just rumors. Or, for that matter, cared very much that it was going on.

My question is this. How far down the list of star players do we have to go before we find players who are not getting paid? Is this just limited to five star athletes, or does it go much deeper?

Look at the schools who have been charged so far. If you were making a list of schools who are signing the best players, would these seven schools be at the top of your list? And if the players those schools are signing are getting paid, can we assume the lottery pick players are not?

And given that football drives the athletics bus, can we assume that this is a basketball issue only?

At some point, is it unreasonable to assume that the blue blood schools (and their coaches) who are signing the best players year after year might also be involved?
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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
(09-26-2017 01:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  I can't imagine there are any fans, coaches, administrators or athletes who ever believed that surreptitious payments to elite high school players were just rumors. Or, for that matter, cared very much that it was going on.

My question is this. How far down the list of star players do we have to go before we find players who are not getting paid? Is this just limited to five star athletes, or does it go much deeper?

Look at the schools who have been charged so far. If you were making a list of schools who are signing the best players, would these seven schools be at the top of your list? And if the players those schools are signing are getting paid, can we assume the lottery pick players are not?

And given that football drives the athletics bus, can we assume that this is a basketball issue only?

At some point, is it unreasonable to assume that the blue blood schools (and their coaches) who are signing the best players year after year might also be involved?

Seeing as how it's connected to agents and financial advisers i'd say it's mostly 5* kids and probably high 4*. It has a lot to do with when kids move to the NBA and make a bunch of money so those guys reap the reward of their investment.
09-26-2017 01:15 PM
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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
(09-26-2017 01:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  I can't imagine there are any fans, coaches, administrators or athletes who ever believed that surreptitious payments to elite high school players were just rumors. Or, for that matter, cared very much that it was going on.

My question is this. How far down the list of star players do we have to go before we find players who are not getting paid? Is this just limited to five star athletes, or does it go much deeper?

Look at the schools who have been charged so far. If you were making a list of schools who are signing the best players, would these seven schools be at the top of your list? And if the players those schools are signing are getting paid, can we assume the lottery pick players are not?

And given that football drives the athletics bus, can we assume that this is a basketball issue only?

At some point, is it unreasonable to assume that the blue blood schools (and their coaches) who are signing the best players year after year might also be involved?

Kansas is an Adidas client. And they signed a player last summer in a deal that just smells Adidas (this according to a KU fan on another board). Think they get connected as well. I imagine Adidas tried to "help" Indiana as well.
09-26-2017 01:16 PM
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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
I work with a current bball 5* recruit's mom. She told me she has had to tell numerous coaches and agents her son is not for sale. It's a systemic problem and not isolated to just the programs known to cheat.
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Once, not if, this issue hits college football, the **** doing the mating dance with the oscillator won't be regular manure, but radioactive.
09-26-2017 01:26 PM
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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
I'll be up front and say that I have absolutely no proof of what I'm going to say, it's just my opinion.

But.....

Something stinks and when there's a smell, there's usually some form of "waste" nearby.

What I mean is that I find it hard to believe that a large number of 4 & 5 star athletes would choose to attend schools located in BFE, some shitehole or in some backwards hump of a city unless they were getting paid, and paid WELL.

Not to mention any names, but I think most people have a general idea of what I'm talking about.

I also would be shocked if this DIDN'T cross over to football... For the exact same reasons.

Now the question is do people care or care enough to do something about it.
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Will anything really happen as a result of this?

Smells like a too big to fail situation. Networks will put pressure on the NCAA to do nothing.
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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
(09-26-2017 02:02 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  Will anything really happen as a result of this?

Smells like a too big to fail situation. Networks will put pressure on the NCAA to do nothing.

Will they pressure the FBI as well? C'mon this is way bigger than the NCAA here. The NCAA will follow the feds lead when coaches are found guilty the NCAA wil use that as proof and punish them then.
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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
(09-26-2017 02:02 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  Will anything really happen as a result of this?

Smells like a too big to fail situation. Networks will put pressure on the NCAA to do nothing.

The problem is that this isn't an NCAA investigation. This is the FBI. I don't think they care about pressure from ESPN.
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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
I was not paid outside of an athletics scholarship in college.

I was however, illegally recruited to attend a certain high school when in 9th grade. The rot probably goes deep. High school, AAU (110% certain) and probably some camps as well.

It doesn't help that the NCAA rules can be hard to interpret, always applied unfairly (watch out East Carolina!) and change if not on yearly basis. For instance, one year I could work at a private deli for (I think) 20 hours per week. The next year I couldn't work at the deli, but could work in the Athletic department for 20 hours.

Who knows anymore?

Assume the worst, hope for the best and prioritize the APR and GPA over Ws and Ls so that the vast majority of these men and women graduate and go on to something greater in life than athletic competition.
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