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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
(09-28-2017 07:19 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 07:03 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The ncaa was started due to the fed govt intervening as injuries mounted in college football.

Will this huge college basketball scandal result in the fed govt intervening in a heavy handed way that changes college athletics in some drastic or at least meaningful way?

One would only hope so. The simplest fix would be for legislation to deem intercollegiate athletics to be a business enterprise unrelated to the universities' tax exempt purpose, and scholarship athletes to be employees of that enterprise. Then, already existing laws and IRS regulations would apply, and be enforceable by someone outside the NCAA.
I hate thinking that gov't is the solution for anything but in this case it might be. Non profit and ameteurism was widely considered a sham but these incidents just blew the lid off.

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RE: So, how deep does this scandal go?
The problem the NCAA has is the tools they have to investigate.
They can make a player turn over a bank statement if they have eligibility left they want to use, after that, zero leverage. They can't compel Bob Big Booster to do anything. They can't compel the kid's high school or AAU coach, or dad, or uncle, or preacher to do anything.

Feds can round them all up.
An assistant who falls on his sword to get a show cause can find work in international leagues, NAIA, Juco, and high school and often welcomed back into the college fold when the show cause expires. There may or may not be financial incentive to take the fall added to the mix.

Prison? Fines? Asset Forfeiture? That incentivizes telling what you know.
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One thing the feds are still in charge of the public schools. They could cut off money to these schools that cheated. If the schools want to keep it as is? They may allow for schools like Miami, Baylor, Louisville and others to get the death penalty so the feds can stay out of investigating these schools.
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So, how deep does this scandal go?
Anyone considered that maybe it was NCAA people who tipped off the FBI?

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As a lawyer would plead to a judge about making an argument that could be seen as irrelevant to the trial at hand , I'm going to have to ask the mods to let me show possible relevance of this theory I have about this case: I have reason to believe that this whole Adidas affair has Big 12 origins, believe it or not. Case in point: take a look at the apparel companies that are on Big 12 schools. You will notice only one uses Adidas for anything: the University of Kansas. Why just Kansas and not the rest of Big 12? Could it be that the Big 12 officials knew this affair was going to happen sooner or later, and either dropped Adidas or refused to sign with them because it would possibly taint their school? As for Kansas, Kansas is one of the blue bloods of basketball. I'm sure plenty of high schoolers would sell their souls to play for the Jayhawks basketball program regardless of whatever scandal is going on. I'm thinking the Big 12 is trying to taint the ACC and the SEC by this Adidas scandal so that the Big 12 can land FSU & Clemson at least, if not other ACC schools too.
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(10-01-2017 09:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As a lawyer would plead to a judge about making an argument that could be seen as irrelevant to the trial at hand , I'm going to have to ask the mods to let me show possible relevance of this theory I have about this case: I have reason to believe that this whole Adidas affair has Big 12 origins, believe it or not. Case in point: take a look at the apparel companies that are on Big 12 schools. You will notice only one uses Adidas for anything: the University of Kansas. Why just Kansas and not the rest of Big 12? Could it be that the Big 12 officials knew this affair was going to happen sooner or later, and either dropped Adidas or refused to sign with them because it would possibly taint their school? As for Kansas, Kansas is one of the blue bloods of basketball. I'm sure plenty of high schoolers would sell their souls to play for the Jayhawks basketball program regardless of whatever scandal is going on. I'm thinking the Big 12 is trying to taint the ACC and the SEC by this Adidas scandal so that the Big 12 can land FSU & Clemson at least, if not other ACC schools too.

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(10-01-2017 09:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As a lawyer would plead to a judge about making an argument that could be seen as irrelevant to the trial at hand , I'm going to have to ask the mods to let me show possible relevance of this theory I have about this case: I have reason to believe that this whole Adidas affair has Big 12 origins, believe it or not. Case in point: take a look at the apparel companies that are on Big 12 schools. You will notice only one uses Adidas for anything: the University of Kansas. Why just Kansas and not the rest of Big 12? Could it be that the Big 12 officials knew this affair was going to happen sooner or later, and either dropped Adidas or refused to sign with them because it would possibly taint their school? As for Kansas, Kansas is one of the blue bloods of basketball. I'm sure plenty of high schoolers would sell their souls to play for the Jayhawks basketball program regardless of whatever scandal is going on. I'm thinking the Big 12 is trying to taint the ACC and the SEC by this Adidas scandal so that the Big 12 can land FSU & Clemson at least, if not other ACC schools too.

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I did not drink. I really do think the Big 12 is up to something.
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(10-01-2017 09:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As a lawyer would plead to a judge about making an argument that could be seen as irrelevant to the trial at hand , I'm going to have to ask the mods to let me show possible relevance of this theory I have about this case: I have reason to believe that this whole Adidas affair has Big 12 origins, believe it or not. Case in point: take a look at the apparel companies that are on Big 12 schools. You will notice only one uses Adidas for anything: the University of Kansas. Why just Kansas and not the rest of Big 12? Could it be that the Big 12 officials knew this affair was going to happen sooner or later, and either dropped Adidas or refused to sign with them because it would possibly taint their school? As for Kansas, Kansas is one of the blue bloods of basketball. I'm sure plenty of high schoolers would sell their souls to play for the Jayhawks basketball program regardless of whatever scandal is going on. I'm thinking the Big 12 is trying to taint the ACC and the SEC by this Adidas scandal so that the Big 12 can land FSU & Clemson at least, if not other ACC schools too.


It's already been reported that someone (Marty Blazer) who was arrested for SEC (not the conference) fraud & who had past ties to college athletics went undercover for leniency. Coaches from multiple conferences, including the B12, have been arrested. Nike offices has been raided along with agents. I don't see any validity in this theory.
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(10-01-2017 09:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As a lawyer would plead to a judge about making an argument that could be seen as irrelevant to the trial at hand , I'm going to have to ask the mods to let me show possible relevance of this theory I have about this case: I have reason to believe that this whole Adidas affair has Big 12 origins, believe it or not. Case in point: take a look at the apparel companies that are on Big 12 schools. You will notice only one uses Adidas for anything: the University of Kansas. Why just Kansas and not the rest of Big 12? Could it be that the Big 12 officials knew this affair was going to happen sooner or later, and either dropped Adidas or refused to sign with them because it would possibly taint their school? As for Kansas, Kansas is one of the blue bloods of basketball. I'm sure plenty of high schoolers would sell their souls to play for the Jayhawks basketball program regardless of whatever scandal is going on. I'm thinking the Big 12 is trying to taint the ACC and the SEC by this Adidas scandal so that the Big 12 can land FSU & Clemson at least, if not other ACC schools too.

Baylor is an Adidas school.
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According to a reliable source: supes deep.
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Oregon's football team got busted several years ago for something similar. I still think this is just the beginning and could spread to Nike and then to college football, baseball, LAX and so forth. Which schools seemed to be on top of the heap with the most championships in a year that a school wins in many sports?
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New York grand jury looking for NCAA violations by OSU basketball players
By Nolan Clay & Randy Ellis | October 11, 2017
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STILLWATER — Oklahoma State University has received a subpoena from a New York grand jury asking for all documents and communications regarding "actual or potential NCAA rules violations" by players and coaches of the men's basketball team, The Oklahoman has learned.

The subpoena is linked to a college basketball bribery investigation that earlier led to the arrest of fired OSU assistant basketball coach Lamont Evans and some assistant coaches for other teams.
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