(09-29-2017 08:51 AM)NIU17 Wrote: (09-28-2017 11:10 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: (09-28-2017 10:24 PM)NIU17 Wrote: (09-28-2017 01:30 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: (09-28-2017 01:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: The media and previous administration have trained us to believe every American and every officer is a bigot. This has been done for political purposes. It is up to us to fight that propaganda and see people for their character and look beyond racial sterotypes.
Exactly. The martyr for the BLM movement is a robber who attacked a police officer. The "hands up, don't shoot" movement was built on a lie.
That's BS. There are plenty of stories and videos where the cop was wrong, but they never said all cops are bad.
People still believe Darren Wilson was "wrong" for killing Michael Brown who attacked him and tried to disarm him.
Which videos are you talking about? "Wrong" is subjective. You're going to need examples.
We already went over Michael Brown. The "gentle giant" who attacked an officer and robbed a convenience store.
Laquan McDonald? The knife-welding maniac who repeatedly refused to drop his weapon, slashed a police car's tire/damaged a windshield.
Philando Castile? The man who disregarded three separate clear verbal commands of "Don't reach for it."
Alton Sterling? Fighting with officers and reaching for his gun.
Eric Garner? Was under arrest and would still be alive today if he didn't resist.
Terrence Crutcher? Another one who couldn't obey verbal commands (sense a theme here?)
But don't get me wrong, there are examples of officers making mistakes (which is different than being wrong) but the BLM narrative revolves around making heroes of those who cannot listen to simple directions.
Like the Somali cop who killed the woman from Minnesota. That's one case where the victim wasn't resisting/not obeying commands. But that's what happens when you have affairmative action and want to parade a black guy by saying "Hey look he's Somalian and a cop!" That's the kind of service you get when you lower standards.
Edit... I'll even add Walter Scott on the side where the cop made a mistake. I'd even go as far as to say the officer was wrong. Scott was no longer a threat when he was running away. I don't believe Slager has been sentenced yet but I know he pleaded guilty to civil rights charges.
The police need to be better trained and given more options than shooting to kill. Police jobs are tough, but most of the examples the person didn't need to be killed. I know Chicago cops are not trained well before they're put on the streets in dangerous neighborhoods.
Just from the examples you stated...
Laquan Mcdonald shot 16 times when he had a knife and was walking away from the police car? There were cops everywhere and the video was being shot for a long time.
Erik Garner wasn't doing anything and the police had harrassed him before. He obviously was tired of being harrassed.
Terrance Crutcher shot when he was walking back to his car. You dont have to shoot to kill.
Tennessee v. Garner states....
"Law enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
And remember that is for an UNARMED suspect.
So ok he's walking away (he actually pivots toward Van Dyke when the first shot is fired but I'll ignore that) he's trying to defeat the arrest. So the question begs.... does Jason Van Dyke have probable cause to believe that someone who is carrying a knife and who has already caused property damage with said knife and refuses to drop it, poses a threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others? I don't think you can argue otherwise.
The Supreme Court gave Jason Van Duke every right to use deadly force on Laquan McDonald. Van Dyke will not be found guilty of first murder based on a Supreme Court ruling. Nothing to do with race.
Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes. He was breaking the law. He was being placed under arrest. That's not "doing nothing". Breaking the law and trying to defeat arrest. See the theme?
Terrence Crutcher... Was walking back to his car and (people love to leave this part out) DISOBEYING ORDERS. Hey there's that theme again. And police don't shoot to wound. They shoot to stop a threat which in essence, shoot to kill. People who advocate for "shoot to wound" have never shot a gun in their life.
Now does he deserve to die because he's disobeying orders? Absolutely not, but he leaves himself open to dying by playing with fire.
There should be a public service announcement for the urban community. Comply, Don't Die.
Going back to one of my original comments-
"A lot of these "brutality" cases starts with the "victim" resisting arrest/not obeying orders and putting themselves in a bad situation.
So to recap...
McDonald- refused to drop a knife
Garner- resisting arrest
Crutcher- refusing orders to stop.
Bingo.
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