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RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference:
(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  Methodology?
Football only?
Anybody can make statistics tell any story they want. Who funded the research?

I'd be interested to see the basketball numbers too, but do you really think the WSJ has a bias against the ACC and basketball in general?

Any value ranking that has UVA,NCSU & Georgia Tech ahead of UNC is flawed IMO & definitely not 40-50 million more

These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue.

But, look at both lists and the lopsided valuation for football will be reflected with minor exceptions in both lists.

NOTE: I'VE PINNED THE LINK TO REVENUE TOTALS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OP. LOOK FOR POST #10.
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RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference:
(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  Methodology?
Football only?
Anybody can make statistics tell any story they want. Who funded the research?

I'd be interested to see the basketball numbers too, but do you really think the WSJ has a bias against the ACC and basketball in general?

Any value ranking that has UVA,NCSU & Georgia Tech ahead of UNC is flawed IMO & definitely not 40-50 million more

These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue.

But, look at both lists and the lopsided valuation for football will be reflected with minor exceptions in both lists.

NOTE: I'VE PINNED THE LINK TO REVENUE TOTALS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OP. LOOK FOR POST #10.
I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.
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RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference:
(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 04:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  Methodology?
Football only?
Anybody can make statistics tell any story they want. Who funded the research?

I'd be interested to see the basketball numbers too, but do you really think the WSJ has a bias against the ACC and basketball in general?

Any value ranking that has UVA,NCSU & Georgia Tech ahead of UNC is flawed IMO & definitely not 40-50 million more

These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue.

But, look at both lists and the lopsided valuation for football will be reflected with minor exceptions in both lists.

NOTE: I'VE PINNED THE LINK TO REVENUE TOTALS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OP. LOOK FOR POST #10.
I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.

I didn't create the numbers, I just posted them for discussion. Usually the WSJ has credible methodology. Too bad we can't ask them how they came up with the figures.
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RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference:
(09-25-2017 05:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:47 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I'd be interested to see the basketball numbers too, but do you really think the WSJ has a bias against the ACC and basketball in general?

Any value ranking that has UVA,NCSU & Georgia Tech ahead of UNC is flawed IMO & definitely not 40-50 million more

These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue.

But, look at both lists and the lopsided valuation for football will be reflected with minor exceptions in both lists.

NOTE: I'VE PINNED THE LINK TO REVENUE TOTALS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OP. LOOK FOR POST #10.
I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.

I didn't create the numbers, I just posted them for discussion. Usually the WSJ has credible methodology. Too bad we can't ask them how they came up with the figures.
I'm not knocking you, just based on my knowledge of what each football program brings in so just don't see state being worth that much more. Their average attendance is higher but their sponsorship, donor base etc is still significantly lower than UNC even though our football base is extremely fickle.
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RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference:
(09-25-2017 06:38 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Any value ranking that has UVA,NCSU & Georgia Tech ahead of UNC is flawed IMO & definitely not 40-50 million more

These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue.

But, look at both lists and the lopsided valuation for football will be reflected with minor exceptions in both lists.

NOTE: I'VE PINNED THE LINK TO REVENUE TOTALS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OP. LOOK FOR POST #10.
I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.

I didn't create the numbers, I just posted them for discussion. Usually the WSJ has credible methodology. Too bad we can't ask them how they came up with the figures.
I'm not knocking you, just based on my knowledge of what each football program brings in so just don't see state being worth that much more. Their average attendance is higher but their sponsorship, donor base etc is still significantly lower than UNC even though our football base is extremely fickle.

I have a site (Wedge first posted it) where you can look at Revenue Totals as they are broken down by sport. You might find more data to explain the valuations by checking that sight. It is a government site and the totals are as reported on tax info: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search


Well MJ I did the work for you from the tax returns and here are the facts:

UNC Revenue:
Football: 40,515,499
Basketball: 21,839,115
Other Sports: 11,244,253
Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 17,383,651
Total Revenue: 90,969,518

Duke Revenue:
Football: 31,795,916
Basketball: 34,176,346
Other Sports: 21,488,785
Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 4,510,789
Total Revenue: 91,971,836

N.C. State Revenue:
Football: 39,539,932
Basketball: 14,483,517
Other Sports: 10,826,838
Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 15,188,861
Total Revenue: 80,225,029

Kentucky Revenue:
Football: 39,714,834
Basketball: 27,892,672
Other Sports: 1,888,620
Revenue not allocated to gender sports: 54,491,573
Total Revenue: 124,006,908

So, N.C. State from their tax returns took in roughly 8 million more than Duke in football and about 1 million less than UNC and roughly about the same as Kentucky from the SEC.

Their basketball money lagged Duke by 20 million, UNC by 7.5 million, and Kentucky by 13.5 million.

Revenue not allocated to gender sports is inclusive of TV Revenue (all tiers), and concessions and a few other incidental categories.

Here N.C. State trailed UNC by 2 million, led Duke by 10.5 million, and trailed Kentucky of the SEC by 39 million.

So it's nip an tuck as to whether UNC or NCState earn the most in football. NCState may nip you this year. Duke has the most balance and trails both in football by 8 million and N.C. State is on par with Kentucky in football.

The SEC's Network and TV contract make up most of the 39 million difference in non allocated revenue.
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RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference:
(09-25-2017 06:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 06:38 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  These numbers are predominantly based on football value. In the pinned section of this board is a thread on Total Revenue by school. It has 2 links. You will find at the bottom of that thread a post by me that breaks down the conference rankings by Total Revenue. Kansas is roughly in the same position in the Big 12 in total revenue as they are here. In most conferences basketball only reflects 15-20% of the total revenue.

But, look at both lists and the lopsided valuation for football will be reflected with minor exceptions in both lists.

NOTE: I'VE PINNED THE LINK TO REVENUE TOTALS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OP. LOOK FOR POST #10.
I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.

I didn't create the numbers, I just posted them for discussion. Usually the WSJ has credible methodology. Too bad we can't ask them how they came up with the figures.
I'm not knocking you, just based on my knowledge of what each football program brings in so just don't see state being worth that much more. Their average attendance is higher but their sponsorship, donor base etc is still significantly lower than UNC even though our football base is extremely fickle.

I have a site (Wedge first posted it) where you can look at Revenue Totals as they are broken down by sport. You might find more data to explain the valuations by checking that sight. It is a government site and the totals are as reported on tax info: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search
That's my point, state generates 39 million in revenue while UNC generates 40 million while averaging 5,000 less in attendance. The same year their athletic foundation raised 32 million versus 62 million & the list goes on .
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RE: WSJ Values for College Football Teams by Conference:
(09-25-2017 07:15 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 06:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 06:38 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 05:42 PM)mj4life Wrote:  I was referring to football only also, their is no metric that I would use like total revenue, sponsorship, local media etc that any of the schools listed ahead of UNC generate more value. Even the biggest NCSU homer doesn't believe their football program is 40 million more valuable than UNC period.

I didn't create the numbers, I just posted them for discussion. Usually the WSJ has credible methodology. Too bad we can't ask them how they came up with the figures.
I'm not knocking you, just based on my knowledge of what each football program brings in so just don't see state being worth that much more. Their average attendance is higher but their sponsorship, donor base etc is still significantly lower than UNC even though our football base is extremely fickle.

I have a site (Wedge first posted it) where you can look at Revenue Totals as they are broken down by sport. You might find more data to explain the valuations by checking that sight. It is a government site and the totals are as reported on tax info: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search
That's my point, state generates 39 million in revenue while UNC generates 40 million while averaging 5,000 less in attendance. The same year their athletic foundation raised 32 million versus 62 million & the list goes on .

It depends on where the donations are recorded for Federal Tax purposes as to how they are tabulated and what they are attributed to. Remember however the WSJ piece is about what they perceive the market worth to be of a program. So......?
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