Put this on our home board too, but in looking at this game...

Vandy only ran 38 plays the entire game.

Alabama ran more plays (93) than Vandy had in yards (78). There is no way what is happening down there in Tuscaloosa is legit. They have 5 stars who sit on the bench. Even looking at the FSU game they just toyed around with them and still only gave up 250 yds.

How much are they paying those kids? In the hundreds of thousands? There is just no way what is happening there is above board. That is obvious, but I'm curious just how bad/far they are going across the line.

It's amazing that these players would sit for a year or two as 5 star players... but if playing there is a guaranteed ticket to NFL why subject your body to the punishment.

That game was an absolute beating. I don't think I've ever seen a good team in Vandy just get destroyed in every single facet of the game by such a huge margin. If Alabama isn't cheating, what they're doing is amazing and might not ever be seen again. I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

Vandy is good(for Vandy).

They poked the bear and were made into an example.

Bama isn't unbeatable, but it would take more than a minor miracle for all but a handful of teams to beat them.

Their weakest link is QB, on offense, at least. Hurts is a good QB but not as good as the media presents him. I don't even think top 20, he just has a tremendous offense line and a stable of excellent backs, Harris and Scarbrough are 2 of the best, throw in Ridley at end and you have some special weapons to use. I can't see why a 4 or 6 star kid wants to sit the bench when NFL scouts will find you anywhere these days.

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)Franko Wrote:  Their weakest link is QB, on offense, at least. Hurts is a good QB but not as good as the media presents him. I don't even think top 20, he just has a tremendous offense line and a stable of excellent backs, Harris and Scarbrough are 2 of the best, throw in Ridley at end and you have some special weapons to use. I can't see why a 4 or 6 star kid wants to sit the bench when NFL scouts will find you anywhere these days.

Meanwhile, they have a 5-star QB who had offers from just about everybody and sits on the bench. He's gotten mop up duty but it is still amazing how many elite players don't even see the field.

If Bama comes ready to play there isn't currently anyone else in college that can beat that team. There may even be some NFL teams that couldn't beat them.

I had class in T-Town this weekend and spent the games watching at the Brass Tap-Room. Dandy Vandy ran their mouth all last week and had what was coming to them. What is happening there is not uncommon and is sure not to last. Florida State had the same set up a couple of decades ago as well. When you sign with Bama, you are almost certainly guaranteed to play for a national title title at some point in your career. Second, if you crack the starting line up, then you are far more prepared to play in the league than most kids starting everywhere else. The Hawaii kid is legit, but keep in mind where all the backups from last year and the year before are playing now. Hint: it ain't in Alabama.

(09-25-2017 06:26 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)Franko Wrote:  Their weakest link is QB, on offense, at least. Hurts is a good QB but not as good as the media presents him. I don't even think top 20, he just has a tremendous offense line and a stable of excellent backs, Harris and Scarbrough are 2 of the best, throw in Ridley at end and you have some special weapons to use. I can't see why a 4 or 6 star kid wants to sit the bench when NFL scouts will find you anywhere these days.

Meanwhile, they have a 5-star QB who had offers from just about everybody and sits on the bench. He's gotten mop up duty but it is still amazing how many elite players don't even see the field.

If Bama comes ready to play there isn't currently anyone else in college that can beat that team. There may even be some NFL teams that couldn't beat them.

They may not move it across the 50 once, against the Browns.

I don't think Bama could keep it close against any NFL team's 2nd string.

(09-25-2017 08:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 06:26 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)Franko Wrote:  Their weakest link is QB, on offense, at least. Hurts is a good QB but not as good as the media presents him. I don't even think top 20, he just has a tremendous offense line and a stable of excellent backs, Harris and Scarbrough are 2 of the best, throw in Ridley at end and you have some special weapons to use. I can't see why a 4 or 6 star kid wants to sit the bench when NFL scouts will find you anywhere these days.

Meanwhile, they have a 5-star QB who had offers from just about everybody and sits on the bench. He's gotten mop up duty but it is still amazing how many elite players don't even see the field.

If Bama comes ready to play there isn't currently anyone else in college that can beat that team. There may even be some NFL teams that couldn't beat them.

They may not move it across the 50 once, against the Browns.

I don't think Bama could keep it close against any NFL team's 2nd string.

Agree. I crack up every time I hear someone drop that about a Bammer squad or whoever happens to be dominating college football. No comparison.

(09-25-2017 01:02 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

I believe what Ron is talking about was brought up during the Bammer/FSU game. They did a shot of the Bammer war room up top and there was like 20+ guys in there.

I believe that FSU had around 13 in their room. Someone mentioned something about an arms race around college for these guys. I guess there's no limit by the NCAA on how many you can have. With Bammer type money you have as many as you're willing to spend on.

So think if Bammer has 20+ experts in their field up in a booth all wired up. Say one guy does nothing but look at the cornerbacks and detects a giveaway he's doing every time. They relay that down to the field. Or to the O-Coordinator who relays it to his guys on the bench.

I'm not sure that's what he's referring to but it struck me when they brought it up in that game. Now how many of us can afford those guys? We can't.

So even if you're working your assses off and think you can compete against the big boys on a special year. Guess what? You're facing hella disadvantage in the booth.

Just another way for Bammer to keep their semipro team on top. And if Bammer is exploiting this then USC and Meesheegan and Ohio State are all going to be doing the same before it's over.

(09-25-2017 01:02 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

Alabama has a whole team of assistants that don't count as official NCAA coaches, they are called football annalists and they're not GA's but former head coaches and coordinators. Former Heisman trophy winner Chris Weinke is one and Steve Sarkisian was one last year before getting promoted to OC. It's just another way Alabama is exploiting college football.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/sport...ml?mcubz=3

(09-25-2017 08:54 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 01:02 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

I believe what Ron is talking about was brought up during the Bammer/FSU game. They did a shot of the Bammer war room up top and there was like 20+ guys in there.

I believe that FSU had around 13 in their room. Someone mentioned something about an arms race around college for these guys. I guess there's no limit by the NCAA on how many you can have. With Bammer type money you have as many as you're willing to spend on.

So think if Bammer has 20+ experts in their field up in a booth all wired up. Say one guy does nothing but look at the cornerbacks and detects a giveaway he's doing every time. They relay that down to the field. Or to the O-Coordinator who relays it to his guys on the bench.

I'm not sure that's what he's referring to but it struck me when they brought it up in that game. Now how many of us can afford those guys? We can't.

So even if you're working your assses off and think you can compete against the big boys on a special year. Guess what? You're facing hella disadvantage in the booth.

Just another way for Bammer to keep their semipro team on top. And if Bammer is exploiting this then USC and Meesheegan and Ohio State are all going to be doing the same before it's over.

This is what I'm talking about. You beat me to it when I was making my post. The NCAA needs to step in and put an end to it. It's ridiculous that a few teams can pay to have a whole staff of former coaches reviewing film, drawing up plays, and organizing practices. It's also crap that Alabama has former NFL players come and play on the practice squads. A lot of shady and unfair crap is going on in college football that doesn't get nearly the talk it deserves.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ker-wilson

(09-25-2017 08:43 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 06:26 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)Franko Wrote:  Their weakest link is QB, on offense, at least. Hurts is a good QB but not as good as the media presents him. I don't even think top 20, he just has a tremendous offense line and a stable of excellent backs, Harris and Scarbrough are 2 of the best, throw in Ridley at end and you have some special weapons to use. I can't see why a 4 or 6 star kid wants to sit the bench when NFL scouts will find you anywhere these days.

Meanwhile, they have a 5-star QB who had offers from just about everybody and sits on the bench. He's gotten mop up duty but it is still amazing how many elite players don't even see the field.

If Bama comes ready to play there isn't currently anyone else in college that can beat that team. There may even be some NFL teams that couldn't beat them.

They may not move it across the 50 once, against the Browns.

I don't think Bama could keep it close against any NFL team's 2nd string.

Agree. I crack up every time I hear someone drop that about a Bammer squad or whoever happens to be dominating college football. No comparison.

That was a bit tongue in cheek. And while Bama would probably struggle to score on any NFL defense, there are quite a few teams in the NFL that would struggle to score on their defense. The NFL is plagued by atrocious offenses led by terrible QB play. Bama's entire front seven is probably playing in the NFL next year or in a couple of years (depending on their year), so it's not outside the realm that they could win a 10-9 type game. A Jay Cutler led offense would be at the top of the list.

(09-25-2017 08:54 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 01:02 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

I believe what Ron is talking about was brought up during the Bammer/FSU game. They did a shot of the Bammer war room up top and there was like 20+ guys in there.

I believe that FSU had around 13 in their room. Someone mentioned something about an arms race around college for these guys. I guess there's no limit by the NCAA on how many you can have. With Bammer type money you have as many as you're willing to spend on.

So think if Bammer has 20+ experts in their field up in a booth all wired up. Say one guy does nothing but look at the cornerbacks and detects a giveaway he's doing every time. They relay that down to the field. Or to the O-Coordinator who relays it to his guys on the bench.

I'm not sure that's what he's referring to but it struck me when they brought it up in that game. Now how many of us can afford those guys? We can't.

So even if you're working your assses off and think you can compete against the big boys on a special year. Guess what? You're facing hella disadvantage in the booth.

Just another way for Bammer to keep their semipro team on top. And if Bammer is exploiting this then USC and Meesheegan and Ohio State are all going to be doing the same before it's over.

That gives 'Bama an unfair advantage in more ways than one, IMO. Not only does it give them an unfair advantage during the season, it also gives them an unfair advantage during recruiting too, because these guys could/can make rides with the coaches on the visits, if not scheduling their own visits. That is something the NCAA needs to regulate. They're not the only ones doing it though, because if I'm not mistaken, Ohio State & Michigan do it too.

(09-26-2017 09:29 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:54 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 01:02 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

I believe what Ron is talking about was brought up during the Bammer/FSU game. They did a shot of the Bammer war room up top and there was like 20+ guys in there.

I believe that FSU had around 13 in their room. Someone mentioned something about an arms race around college for these guys. I guess there's no limit by the NCAA on how many you can have. With Bammer type money you have as many as you're willing to spend on.

So think if Bammer has 20+ experts in their field up in a booth all wired up. Say one guy does nothing but look at the cornerbacks and detects a giveaway he's doing every time. They relay that down to the field. Or to the O-Coordinator who relays it to his guys on the bench.

I'm not sure that's what he's referring to but it struck me when they brought it up in that game. Now how many of us can afford those guys? We can't.

So even if you're working your assses off and think you can compete against the big boys on a special year. Guess what? You're facing hella disadvantage in the booth.

Just another way for Bammer to keep their semipro team on top. And if Bammer is exploiting this then USC and Meesheegan and Ohio State are all going to be doing the same before it's over.

That gives 'Bama an unfair advantage in more ways than one, IMO. Not only does it give them an unfair advantage during the season, it also gives them an unfair advantage during recruiting too, because these guys could/can make rides with the coaches on the visits, if not scheduling their own visits. That is something the NCAA needs to regulate. They're not the only ones doing it though, because if I'm not mistaken, Ohio State & Michigan do it too.

How is this just Bama??? You don't think the upper crust of all the P5 Conferences aren't doing this?? WE have reached the point where you have so much money and have already build so many buildings that adding "Non-Coaches" to the roster is the next step.

(09-26-2017 08:24 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:43 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 06:26 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 05:03 AM)Franko Wrote:  Their weakest link is QB, on offense, at least. Hurts is a good QB but not as good as the media presents him. I don't even think top 20, he just has a tremendous offense line and a stable of excellent backs, Harris and Scarbrough are 2 of the best, throw in Ridley at end and you have some special weapons to use. I can't see why a 4 or 6 star kid wants to sit the bench when NFL scouts will find you anywhere these days.

Meanwhile, they have a 5-star QB who had offers from just about everybody and sits on the bench. He's gotten mop up duty but it is still amazing how many elite players don't even see the field.

If Bama comes ready to play there isn't currently anyone else in college that can beat that team. There may even be some NFL teams that couldn't beat them.

They may not move it across the 50 once, against the Browns.

I don't think Bama could keep it close against any NFL team's 2nd string.

Agree. I crack up every time I hear someone drop that about a Bammer squad or whoever happens to be dominating college football. No comparison.

That was a bit tongue in cheek. And while Bama would probably struggle to score on any NFL defense, there are quite a few teams in the NFL that would struggle to score on their defense. The NFL is plagued by atrocious offenses led by terrible QB play. Bama's entire front seven is probably playing in the NFL next year or in a couple of years (depending on their year), so it's not outside the realm that they could win a 10-9 type game. A Jay Cutler led offense would be at the top of the list.

Even Bama's front seven would get pushed around by every NFL offensive lines.

It's future NFL players on one side against NFL vets on the other. If Cutler couldn't get it going, Ajayi would just run all over them.

No way is Bama holding any NFL team to less than 10 points.

(09-25-2017 09:08 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:54 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 01:02 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

I believe what Ron is talking about was brought up during the Bammer/FSU game. They did a shot of the Bammer war room up top and there was like 20+ guys in there.

I believe that FSU had around 13 in their room. Someone mentioned something about an arms race around college for these guys. I guess there's no limit by the NCAA on how many you can have. With Bammer type money you have as many as you're willing to spend on.

So think if Bammer has 20+ experts in their field up in a booth all wired up. Say one guy does nothing but look at the cornerbacks and detects a giveaway he's doing every time. They relay that down to the field. Or to the O-Coordinator who relays it to his guys on the bench.

I'm not sure that's what he's referring to but it struck me when they brought it up in that game. Now how many of us can afford those guys? We can't.

So even if you're working your assses off and think you can compete against the big boys on a special year. Guess what? You're facing hella disadvantage in the booth.

Just another way for Bammer to keep their semipro team on top. And if Bammer is exploiting this then USC and Meesheegan and Ohio State are all going to be doing the same before it's over.

This is what I'm talking about. You beat me to it when I was making my post. The NCAA needs to step in and put an end to it. It's ridiculous that a few teams can pay to have a whole staff of former coaches reviewing film, drawing up plays, and organizing practices. It's also crap that Alabama has former NFL players come and play on the practice squads. A lot of shady and unfair crap is going on in college football that doesn't get nearly the talk it deserves.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ker-wilson

Those guys probably watch so much film and track the tendencies of each offense and defense based on down and distance, player groupings, field position, what hash mark the ball is on, etc. Analytics are becoming more and more prominent in all sports.

(09-26-2017 12:35 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 09:08 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:54 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 01:02 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:32 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  I think where Alabama is exploiting the NCAA is in the football analysis positions. The NCAA needs to go in and shut that crap down and put a hard cap on it. There is some way that it's being used to exploit recruiting, maybe they're serving as the new bag men for the Tide.

???

I believe what Ron is talking about was brought up during the Bammer/FSU game. They did a shot of the Bammer war room up top and there was like 20+ guys in there.

I believe that FSU had around 13 in their room. Someone mentioned something about an arms race around college for these guys. I guess there's no limit by the NCAA on how many you can have. With Bammer type money you have as many as you're willing to spend on.

So think if Bammer has 20+ experts in their field up in a booth all wired up. Say one guy does nothing but look at the cornerbacks and detects a giveaway he's doing every time. They relay that down to the field. Or to the O-Coordinator who relays it to his guys on the bench.

I'm not sure that's what he's referring to but it struck me when they brought it up in that game. Now how many of us can afford those guys? We can't.

So even if you're working your assses off and think you can compete against the big boys on a special year. Guess what? You're facing hella disadvantage in the booth.

Just another way for Bammer to keep their semipro team on top. And if Bammer is exploiting this then USC and Meesheegan and Ohio State are all going to be doing the same before it's over.

This is what I'm talking about. You beat me to it when I was making my post. The NCAA needs to step in and put an end to it. It's ridiculous that a few teams can pay to have a whole staff of former coaches reviewing film, drawing up plays, and organizing practices. It's also crap that Alabama has former NFL players come and play on the practice squads. A lot of shady and unfair crap is going on in college football that doesn't get nearly the talk it deserves.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ker-wilson

Those guys probably watch so much film and track the tendencies of each offense and defense based on down and distance, player groupings, field position, what hash mark the ball is on, etc. Analytics are becoming more and more prominent in all sports.

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