Funderburke was dressed in pads and everything, so I have to think we'll see him in the next game or two. Our RBs have done a stellar job so far this year, so this will just make our backfield that much deeper.
(10-01-2017 10:10 PM)TribePride52 Wrote: Did that Stony Brook player move into the neutral zone on that last play?
I saw a clip of the last play and it looked like our guy simply started too soon. I did not see him touch anyone else or anyone else touch him. In fact, one SB player leaped back and was pointing it out to the official about the false start.
Shouldn't a defensive player causing an offensive player to move be a penalty?
Only if the defensive player crosses the neutral zone or calls out the offensive cadence. And as pointed out only two players on offense had to worry about moving on that play.
(10-02-2017 12:10 PM)zablenoise Wrote: Holy **** they've all been right. It should have been a defensive penalty. Their guy drew our guard into a false start.
1:13 mark if it isn't automatically set up there:
I wish you were right, but it’s my understanding that a defensive player must enter the neutral zone causing the offensive player to move for it to be a defensive penalty. I could be wrong. The SB player did not leave his position, he did pretend too move, but didn’t.
This player has been moved from offense to defense, then back to offense. He’s been a valuable player for us in his short time here. There were other mistakes prior to this one that impacted the game.
(10-02-2017 12:10 PM)zablenoise Wrote: Holy **** they've all been right. It should have been a defensive penalty. Their guy drew our guard into a false start.
1:13 mark if it isn't automatically set up there:
It's close, and from there you can't tell if the defenders flinch was into the neutral zone or not. If it's not into the neutral zone, it's not a penalty on the defense.
(10-02-2017 12:10 PM)zablenoise Wrote: Holy **** they've all been right. It should have been a defensive penalty. Their guy drew our guard into a false start.
1:13 mark if it isn't automatically set up there:
a) He didn't enter the neutral zone, so it depends on whether the lineman would be considered "threatened";
b) There's still no reason at all to move.
If I can play Pollyanna for a second, I want to talk about McKee's second pick. There's no doubt it was a bad throw at a back breaking time BUT it seemed like he at least made the correct read. He had single coverage over the top and Conlan had separation too. I've been critical in past weeks of his progressions and reads but it seemed here that he was able to identify the right target and even moved around in the pocket to set up the throw. Obviously the outcome was "sub optimal" (to quote Rocco) but the pieces are all there. I'm still not sure that's a throw in McKee's repertoire but I'd love for the coaches to give him the opportunities in the coming weeks to find out.
(10-02-2017 02:39 PM)zablenoise Wrote: If I can play Pollyanna for a second, I want to talk about McKee's second pick. There's no doubt it was a bad throw at a back breaking time BUT it seemed like he at least made the correct read. He had single coverage over the top and Conlan had separation too. I've been critical in past weeks of his progressions and reads but it seemed here that he was able to identify the right target and even moved around in the pocket to set up the throw. Obviously the outcome was "sub optimal" (to quote Rocco) but the pieces are all there. I'm still not sure that's a throw in McKee's repertoire but I'd love for the coaches to give him the opportunities in the coming weeks to find out.
In the post game presser he notes that on that particular throw, he had pressure coming from his right and that impacted the throw. If he gets an extra second and can plant to make that pass, it's green ahead of the receiver. I just want the team as a whole to start the game at the same level they finish. We seem to be a great second half team, but against CAA opponents it can be a long uphill climb.
(10-02-2017 12:39 PM)tribefbfan Wrote: The SB player did not leave his position, he did pretend too move, but didn’t.
Let’s move on, I’m pretty sure the players have.
That SB player, # 73, is a big hero in NY now, I'm sure. It looked like all he did was flex his bicep to intimidate our guy into the false start.
Frankly, I'd rather the players not have moved on just yet. They should still be pissed off; they should still have the hunger. That's good motivation.
(10-02-2017 12:39 PM)tribefbfan Wrote: The SB player did not leave his position, he did pretend too move, but didn’t.
Let’s move on, I’m pretty sure the players have.
That SB player, # 73, is a big hero in NY now, I'm sure. It looked like all he did was flex his bicep to intimidate our guy into the false start.
Frankly, I'd rather the players not have moved on just yet. They should still be pissed off; they should still have the hunger. That's good motivation.
Players are one thing, fans are another.
I am sure the players understand that there were plays throughout the game that had they gone a different way would have swayed the outcome in our favor. Learn from it and move on. Coaches too. Should have, could have, would have attitude about last weeks game will not win this weeks game.
Would anyone here have gone for the win instead of the tie? Would anyone here have thrown the ball one more time? I ask you because between myself and the person sitting in the stands next to me, we have a combined 60 years of watching Tribe football games. And both of us were absolutely stunned when Jimmye...er...DJ called the run. (Well, it is JL, but one can always hope against hope!)
Would anyone here have opened up the offense a bit earlier than late in the third quarter, down 21-0? Would anyone here have done so at least by the first drive of the second-half? Was anyone else here besides the two aforementioned gents sitting next to each other at the game pleading for better play-calling and a more dynamic, unpredictable offensive product from the middle of the first quarter?
Since no one else seems to want to say it, I'm going to say it. And I am well-qualified to say it. Jimmye Laycock has not been the Great Jimmye Laycock, the Great Offensive Genius, the Guru of Quarterbacks... The King of Offensive Yardage... for going on 13 to 14 years now. Personnel/talent matters aside, he's been de-balled. Jimmy has been reduced to a man afraid of his own shadow, terrified to take chances, more interested (read: obsessed) in appearances--in not making mistakes--than in actually winning. I could site chapter and verse. There's ample evidence. Listen to some of the brutally honest interviews with coach Talley from 2009 (and re-watch those games), Jimmye's interview about not wanting to be shut out at UVA, ...and you shall see. If you don't see it already. (Which would surprise me because any sentient being observing his coaching style, play-calling and output/outcomes since the early 2000's would know this to be true.)
And that's one of the major reasons why, sadly, he hasn't won, and will never win, a national championship.
(10-03-2017 12:57 PM)TheTribeNeverSurrenders Wrote: Would anyone here have gone for the win instead of the tie? Would anyone here have thrown the ball one more time? I ask you because between myself and the person sitting in the stands next to me, we have a combined 60 years of watching Tribe football games. And both of us were absolutely stunned when Jimmye...er...DJ called the run. (Well, it is JL, but one can always hope against hope!)
Would anyone here have opened up the offense a bit earlier than late in the third quarter, down 21-0? Would anyone here have done so at least by the first drive of the second-half? Was anyone else here besides the two aforementioned gents sitting next to each other at the game pleading for better play-calling and a more dynamic, unpredictable offensive product from the middle of the first quarter?
Since no one else seems to want to say it, I'm going to say it. And I am well-qualified to say it. Jimmye Laycock has not been the Great Jimmye Laycock, the Great Offensive Genius, the Guru of Quarterbacks... The King of Offensive Yardage... for going on 13 to 14 years now. Personnel/talent matters aside, he's been de-balled. Jimmy has been reduced to a man afraid of his own shadow, terrified to take chances, more interested (read: obsessed) in appearances--in not making mistakes--than in actually winning. I could site chapter and verse. There's ample evidence. Listen to some of the brutally honest interviews with coach Talley from 2009 (and re-watch those games), Jimmye's interview about not wanting to be shut out at UVA, ...and you shall see. If you don't see it already. (Which would surprise me because any sentient being observing his coaching style, play-calling and output/outcomes since the early 2000's would know this to be true.)
And that's one of the major reasons why, sadly, he hasn't won, and will never win, a national championship.
I can't speak to any changes in Coach Laycock over the years since I am a relative newcomer - however, I absolutely would have gone for the win if the ball was on the 10 yard line, and would have thrown the ball. go big or go home
We did try going for the win from the 21 yard line. Mague (I think) was by the sideline and seemed to be a missed PI. The next down was the run play, which the way Evans was running and the defense expecting a run could have looked like a genius move if it payed off. At that point they are going to have a lot of people in the endzone on defense, so it's a risky move tossing it there from over 20 yards.
First down at just past the 10 yard line with 29 seconds to go is a whole different ball game. That's easily three passes to guys like Mague, Conlin, Klaus, or Caskin, and then figure each play is 5 seconds or so, that's more than enough time for a FG attempt to tie it. It sucks, we move on. I like what McKee said in the post game presser about moving on and having a short memory. Focus on Elon and a chance to knock off a team that is getting some love in the polls.
Officials make mistakes all of the time. It's hard to believe some of them get paid to do so. But, we lost the game because SBU's DL was able to set the line of scrimmage two yards back, we weren't able to attack downfield until the second half, we missed tackles, and our special teams missed opportunities. 21-0 didn't happened because the refs missed calls.
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