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Game Day: Ohio
That is a game we cannot lose. So many chances to win that in regulation. Halftime pick 6 was a awful 10 point swing. Play calling was horrendous and Brogans decisions were unacceptable. Defense is playing outstanding thru 3 weeks and we can't find a way to get them a few points. Run game needs to be fixed. Either abandon and play some air raid or change the blocking scheme cause it is not even average.

Now we start probably the toughest 3 game stretch, hoping to come out 3-3 after it all.


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Thankfully we're only 20% into the season. Hopefully the staff sees all the things we see and can adjust.

Next game is an OOC game, so hopefully we can work on some changes this coming week. Work out the kinks in changes during a game that won't really matter.
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Also, Turner is our best back by the way, not Vann. Our eyes don't lie. He is a half step quicker, and always seems to be the one finding or creating the little extra room to make 7 yards, instead of going down after 2 like everyone else.
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(09-23-2017 05:30 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Also, Turner is our best back by the way, not Vann. Our eyes don't lie. He is a half step quicker, and always seems to be the one finding or creating the little extra room to make 7 yards, instead of going down after 2 like everyone else.

Agreed with this. Vann doesn't have the explosiveness he showed (at times) 2 years ago. I wonder if he's worried about that shoulder still?

Either way, Turner is the best back on the team. Should be on the field for the majority of the offensive snaps.
09-23-2017 05:36 PM
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(09-23-2017 05:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 05:10 PM)EMU_HRM07 Wrote:  Winnable game squandered by bad/unbalanced offensive play calling and poor mental discipline on penalties. Defense played well and kept us in the game. Ironically the offensive line, what we thought would be our weakness, was on point. The only sack i remember was a late blitz from the LB...not due to the OL. With that protection, Keen should have been more creative and found ways to have success.

Should have mixed up the run game with...sweeps, screens, pitches, etc. as well to get some balance and not be so predictable on 2nd and 3rd down.

What are you talking about, our OLine was on point? :lmfao:

An OLine is first and foremost about the run game. In that regard they are terrible. They are pretty good so far as pass blockers, so Keen is gonna have to build an offense around those 2 obvious facts.

Its hard to tell how well the OL would do with the run game when you pass on 1st down all but a handfull of of times then obviously run on 2nd down because you didn't get any yards through the air on 1st. They abandoned the run game before they even kicked off.
No wonder Roback had a QBR under 40!
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This would be a good time to have Kent, Buffalo, or Akron on the schedule. Instead, we are in the midst of a brutally fought stretch of games.
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Kentucky game is perfect time. EMU is going to go into it pissed, UK will take it lightly...they will be unpleasantly surprised.
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(09-23-2017 07:35 PM)EMU_HRM07 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 05:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 05:10 PM)EMU_HRM07 Wrote:  Winnable game squandered by bad/unbalanced offensive play calling and poor mental discipline on penalties. Defense played well and kept us in the game. Ironically the offensive line, what we thought would be our weakness, was on point. The only sack i remember was a late blitz from the LB...not due to the OL. With that protection, Keen should have been more creative and found ways to have success.

Should have mixed up the run game with...sweeps, screens, pitches, etc. as well to get some balance and not be so predictable on 2nd and 3rd down.

What are you talking about, our OLine was on point? 03-lmfao

An OLine is first and foremost about the run game. In that regard they are terrible. They are pretty good so far as pass blockers, so Keen is gonna have to build an offense around those 2 obvious facts.

Its hard to tell how well the OL would do with the run game when you pass on 1st down all but a handfull of of times then obviously run on 2nd down because you didn't get any yards through the air on 1st. They abandoned the run game before they even kicked off.
No wonder Roback had a QBR under 40!

It's actually really easy to tell. We had 27 carries for 45 yards. 1.7 yds per carry.

Watch the OLine closely on running plays, they get no push or movement. We've switched to a zone blocking scheme this year, a total change from last year. In this scheme, on a run right, all the linemen just flow right as a group a pick off the DLine and LB's as they flow into their zone. Usually this creates movement and cracks in the defense as the play flows right or left, that the RB can sneak through.

What we're doing now is flowing to the play side, but the DLine are stuffing our guys, or even worse, pushing across our guys faces right into our backfield. There are never seams or holes for our RB's to run through, or cut back. Watch closely next game.

Last year, our run game was based on our OLine trapping and pulling. D thinks you're going left, but you actually go right. You leave a DT or DE unblocked initially, but you pull a guard or tackle, or even a center from the backside, and surprise and kick out the unblocked guy which creates the hole.

We had decent success last year. This year ZERO.

Robacks QBR is on him, reverting back to his old habits. That play just before half was an all time horrible decision.......especially given the score, the heat, and the job our D did in that first half. In the passing game Roback has time, the OLine has done a decent job. He usually just locks into his first choice, and loves to just throw the 50/50 lob down the sideline whether the receiver has any separation or not. Was hoping for better this year, but it is what it is. He has a really good arm, but that is also his achilles heel.

Time for the coaches to figure this thing out, or it could be a long year.
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09-23-2017 09:16 PM
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(09-23-2017 07:52 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Kentucky game is perfect time. EMU is going to go into it pissed, UK will take it lightly...they will be unpleasantly surprised.

You can stop with the 'predictions'. You were wrong on this game, and your boy Morris had his second terrible showing in 3 games. 15/33, 195 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT's as CMU lost to Miami 31-14, getting shut out in the second half.

After watching our offense for 3 weeks, just want to get out of Kentucky within 2-3 TD's and not get anybody injured.
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(09-23-2017 11:29 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:52 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Kentucky game is perfect time. EMU is going to go into it pissed, UK will take it lightly...they will be unpleasantly surprised.

You can stop with the 'predictions'. You were wrong on this game, and your boy Morris had his second terrible showing in 3 games. 15/33, 195 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT's as CMU lost to Miami 31-14, getting shut out in the second half.

After watching our offense for 3 weeks, just want to get out of Kentucky within 2-3 TD's and not get anybody injured.

Kentucky blew a 10 point lead to lose to Florida. They'll be pissed. EMU is a must win to get Bowl eligible and UK is not one of the SEC Elite programs. The Wildcats are not taking this one for granted.
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(09-24-2017 09:12 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 11:29 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:52 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Kentucky game is perfect time. EMU is going to go into it pissed, UK will take it lightly...they will be unpleasantly surprised.

You can stop with the 'predictions'. You were wrong on this game, and your boy Morris had his second terrible showing in 3 games. 15/33, 195 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT's as CMU lost to Miami 31-14, getting shut out in the second half.

After watching our offense for 3 weeks, just want to get out of Kentucky within 2-3 TD's and not get anybody injured.

Kentucky blew a 10 point lead to lose to Florida. They'll be pissed. EMU is a must win to get Bowl eligible and UK is not one of the SEC Elite programs. The Wildcats are not taking this one for granted.

We all know this.....................except Bob.
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Went to game and I agree with many comments here. Turner gets to the hole the fastest of any of the backs which means the line doesn't have to hold their blocks as long. Keen-its a stat through 3 games our RBs have 10 receptions, whatever happened to screens or going out into the flats? We had one decent screen yesterday to Kemp. Yes we went very conservative late in the game, we need to get our RBs someway to contribute. Some of the time management stuff was weird like waiting 15 seconds to call a timeout in the fourth. And of course we're still killing ourselves with penalties 8-85. Attendance was disappointing after coming off a win against Rutgers-11,373 which is below Charlotte. Could someone fix the water leak in the one visitor side men's restroom? It has been leaking since the Charlotte game. It would nice if people would sit where they purchased their tickets. Saw Hoying and Figueroa get nicked hopefully not seriously. Yes there was the interception from Roback but also another throw when he threw into triple coverage and another where he telegraphed a pass into the flats that was almost intercepted. Saw Julien punt for the first time yesterday marginal improvement. Agree that Keen may not be the answer as offensive coordinator. One can only imagine this offense next year without Roback.
Failure to get a TE and OT that could help the run game shows. And yes the defense was outstanding yesterday, it was like watching a 15 round fight which we should have won. On to Kentucky.
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I'm amazed we are as competitive as we are so far this season without a running game, a TE threat, over 85 yards per game in penalties, a poor punting game and a poor third down conversion rate. Our defense on the other hand is the one area that seems to have improved despite losing POC.
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I noticed that D. Aristilde was in the stands yesterday.
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(09-24-2017 09:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm amazed we are as competitive as we are so far this season without a running game, a TE threat, over 85 yards per game in penalties, a poor punting game and a poor third down conversion rate. Our defense on the other hand is the one area that seems to have improved despite losing POC.

Defense keeps you in a lot of games. The DLine is better than last year, with or without POC. 2 or 3 DLinemen did leave the field yesterday with injuries, hopefully none too serious.
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(09-24-2017 09:46 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  I noticed that D. Aristilde was in the stands yesterday.

Suspended AGAIN! Really cost his team yesterday with his selfishness.
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I put most of the blame for the pick-6 on Creighton. What is he doing throwing there, especially a pass like that?

Ohio's defense looks very solid. Probably the reason they're the frontrunner in the East. EMU's D looked good most of the game but seemed to fade at the very end.
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(09-24-2017 09:12 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 11:29 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:52 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Kentucky game is perfect time. EMU is going to go into it pissed, UK will take it lightly...they will be unpleasantly surprised.

You can stop with the 'predictions'. You were wrong on this game, and your boy Morris had his second terrible showing in 3 games. 15/33, 195 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT's as CMU lost to Miami 31-14, getting shut out in the second half.

After watching our offense for 3 weeks, just want to get out of Kentucky within 2-3 TD's and not get anybody injured.

Kentucky blew a 10 point lead to lose to Florida. They'll be pissed. EMU is a must win to get Bowl eligible and UK is not one of the SEC Elite programs. The Wildcats are not taking this one for granted.

Let's currently recap what I've been reading and what has happened during our fist three games. We easily beat Charlotte like we are supposed to. We win our first ever game on the road against a Power 5 team(yes, admittedly a weak one) and we lose in double OT to one of the favorites in the MAC East on an unusually hot day after a bye week. Our defense gives up 13 points in regulation against our last two opponents when in years past we have seen EMU give up 13 points in the first five minutes of a game. However, all of that positivity that we have had for the last two weeks disappears losing a hard fought game... Now all of a sudden we all think they won't win another game and the season is a lost cause. That's the mindset I'm reading. Stop over reacting and realize that when you have a defense that is playing as well as we have been, we will have chances to keep winning games and right now we are playing depending on the strength of our team which is our defense.

Then we discuss the Kentucky game coming up. Living here in Louisville, all I've heard about all week is the fact that Florida had beaten Kentucky 30 years in a row. Now Kentucky plays well enough to get a lead and then ends up blowing it with some very boneheaded plays towards the end of the game. They end up losing a heartbreaking game that was their "super bowl" and their chance to become relevant. I watched a team that missed tackles, had high snaps and made some boneheaded decisions when the game got close. Their offense before this game played not to lose and they depended on their defense to win and close game before this game and Ultimately when the rubber met the road they faltered.

In years past as well because UK hasn't been exactly one that has handled disappointment very well. They have demonstrated in the past being a bit mentally lax at times.. I just look at them blowing that huge lead against S. Miss last year too.
I personally think this is a game that has the potential to be another dog fight and if the game is close in the 4th Quarter, the pressure is ALL on UK and you never know how they will handle it.

Now with that.. I read that our objective in this game is to just keep it close and not to try to win as it isn't relevant because it's not a conference game. For those of you that complain about our lack of recruiting success which has been well documented, do you really think that a double OT loss this week is going to effect that? While just imagine the possible ramifications if we happened to beat UK. It would be the ultimate perception and program changing win. We can't afford to just "give away" games.

For EMU to win against UK they will have to play extremely well and let UK make the mistakes. We will need Roback to play smart and for the offense to score and put pressure on UK. I expect Kentucky to come out and be prepared and they are clearly a more talented team. However you cannot also underestimate how tough of a loss that was for Kentucky and their past history has indicated that you cannot just assume that they will come out and dominate. They could.. but it's no guarantee like it was in the past. When you have a defense, you have a chance.

Bottom line is that the Kentucky game is a huge opportunity for our program and if we lose it was expected. I love being able to play with house money against a team that could be fragile. I keep hearing everyone say that they want the mentality of the program to change. If that's going to happen you go into every game thinking you can win and not praying that you don't get injured.

Keep up the good fight and move on and look ahead. I can't wait to see EMU play live for the first time this year in Lexington and let's where the chips fall.

Go Green!
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Emotions are cute, I prefer to live in reality.
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(09-24-2017 10:24 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  Emotions are cute, I prefer to live in reality.

Just offering another perspective based on my own observations. I get the fact that it is a long shot on Saturday and I'm not betting the house that we will win. Matter of fact, before the season started I had this game marked down as a loss. However just to instantly dismiss any chance when you're taking on a team that hasn't exactly been dominant just seems foolish to me. Especially when the goal is to get to 6 wins or higher, this Saturday is another chance to get a win. That is a reality too.
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