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NCAA 2017 Men's Basketball Average Attendance by Conference
2017 NCAA Men's College Basketball Attendance by Conference:

1. Big 10- 12,235
2. A.C.C.- 11,257
3. S.E.C.- 11,080
4. Big 12- 10,427
5. Big E.- 10,014
6. P.A.C.- 8,170
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This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.
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(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

You tell me what's more worthless, counting empty seats, or counting occupied ones? You get paid by the # of fannies in the seats. It's the cash that counts, not the venue size.

I could have put the year over year totals but it is in a pdf file report by the NCAA and available by Googling "NCAA Basketball Attendance by Conference". The actual report will break it down by school, by net gain or loss in attendance, and by the averages I gave you.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance. What they reveal is that the relative attendance doesn't vary by much in actual attendance for any of the conferences, but in % of attendance compared to the leader the Big 10 the PAC is 33% behind and in 6th place overall.

I think the Big East would find that significant.

When a school's basketball revenue is listed we'll post that. We've posted the Gross Revenue figures for the schools for all sports.

But, what it does is to dismiss the myth that the Big East, Big 12, or SEC trail the Big 10 or ACC by a wide margin. They don't. Other than that it's just another set of numbers, and basketball numbers don't get posted very often.
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(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You tell me what's more worthless, counting empty seats, or counting occupied ones? You get paid by the # of fannies in the seats. It's the cash that counts, not the venue size.

I could have put the year over year totals but it is in a pdf file report by the NCAA and available by Googling "NCAA Basketball Attendance by Conference". The actual report will break it down by school, by net gain or loss in attendance, and by the averages I gave you.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance. What they reveal is that the relative attendance doesn't vary by much in actual attendance for any of the conferences, but in % of attendance compared to the leader the Big 10 the PAC is 33% behind and in 6th place overall.

I think the Big East would find that significant.

When a school's basketball revenue is listed we'll post that. We've posted the Gross Revenue figures for the schools for all sports.

But, what it does is to dismiss the myth that the Big East, Big 12, or SEC trail the Big 10 or ACC by a wide margin. They don't. Other than that it's just another set of numbers, and basketball numbers don't get posted very often.


Duke may actually make more money driving the artificial scarcity through Cameron Indoor.
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(09-22-2017 08:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You tell me what's more worthless, counting empty seats, or counting occupied ones? You get paid by the # of fannies in the seats. It's the cash that counts, not the venue size.

I could have put the year over year totals but it is in a pdf file report by the NCAA and available by Googling "NCAA Basketball Attendance by Conference". The actual report will break it down by school, by net gain or loss in attendance, and by the averages I gave you.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance. What they reveal is that the relative attendance doesn't vary by much in actual attendance for any of the conferences, but in % of attendance compared to the leader the Big 10 the PAC is 33% behind and in 6th place overall.

I think the Big East would find that significant.

When a school's basketball revenue is listed we'll post that. We've posted the Gross Revenue figures for the schools for all sports.

But, what it does is to dismiss the myth that the Big East, Big 12, or SEC trail the Big 10 or ACC by a wide margin. They don't. Other than that it's just another set of numbers, and basketball numbers don't get posted very often.


Duke may actually make more money driving the artificial scarcity through Cameron Indoor.

Yep, it's the same deal with luxury seating. It's more about where you are seen if it's exclusive than it is about what you can actually see from those seats. Status means everything to the nouveau riche and the social climbers. It means less to those with old money and to the personally and socially secure. The younger people will live hand to mouth to appear to be as "good" as those they aspire to be.

I once had an hour long conversation with a man wearing a plain white shirt and overalls. It was in rural Georgia and I met him in a convenience store in a small town. We talked about old 00 Frick sawmills and how they operated so efficiently. He thanked me for my time and for the conversation and reminiscences and left. The store owner then asked me if I knew who he was and I said that I didn't. Then he told me he had donated the money to build the library at the University of Georgia and that he was one of the wealthier men in Georgia, not Coca Cola wealthy, but extremely rich.

That was the beauty of the South in the 70's. You could meet and talk to anyone on the street and aside perhaps from shoes you would have little idea how wealthy the folks with whom you spoke were. Status meant less, and what kind of person you were meant more. I'm afraid those days are gone in the age of bling. And today segregation by income has replaced segregation by race. Associations across income levels are becoming much less likely. We see this stratification in the churches we attend, and in the wealthier churches by where you sit, and it bleeds over into private and reserved parking, which country club you can afford, and where you sit at sporting events. It's truly as if royalty had returned! And that of all things should be anathema to a democracy. If nothing else tells us how much our values as Americans have been eroded this should.
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(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.


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(09-22-2017 11:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.

Kudos! I couldn't get that link to work. The median attendance figures interestingly enough improve the Big 10's standing and improve the Big 12's standing. The only one really hurt by them is the ACC.
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(09-22-2017 11:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.

#'s from JR's original post (I got annoyed with scrolling up and down)

1. Big 10- 12,235
2. A.C.C.- 11,257
3. S.E.C.- 11,080
4. Big 12- 10,427
5. Big E.- 10,014
6. P.A.C.- 8,170
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The Big East's average numbers should go up, thanks to the new ticket purchases for DePaul's new arena. DePaul had awful attendance figures in recent years, but thanks to the new downtown arena, those numbers will bump up the total and median figures moving forward.
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(09-22-2017 11:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.

I don't see how you can say that the ACC's top arenas distort the average attendance:

Rank, School, Size, Attendance, Percentage

1. Syr 35K/21K 65%*
2. Louis 22K/21K 96%
3. UNC 22L/18K 82%
4. NC State 19K/16K 84%
5. UVa 15K/14K 93%
6. WF 14K/9.8K 70%
7. FSU 13K/7.9K 61%
8. Pitt 12K/8.3K 69%
9. CU 10K/7.2K 72%
10. VT 10K/7.4K 74%
11. ND 9.1K/8.2K 90%
12 Duke 9.3K/9.3K 100%
13. BC 8.5K/4.2K 49%
14. GT 8.6K/6K 67%
15. Miami 7.9K/7.1K 90%

A case can be made that BC, GT, and Duke artificially drag the conference numbers down.

Now the Carrier Dome can squeeze in 35K but what is a reasonable full house in Syracuse?

If not for the profit off of artificial scarcity, Duke's basketball arena would seat 15-18K and run 90% full.

There are 50,000 P-5 college basketball seats in the Raleigh-Durham metro. What's amazing is that attendance averages 44K between State, Duke, and UNC. UCLA and Southern Cal are the only other P-5's that I can think of that play in the same metro. If you expand for the Big East and AAC, then you have two in DC, two in Houston, two in DFW, and two in Philly.
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(09-23-2017 07:00 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I don't see how you can say that the ACC's top arenas distort the average attendance:

The ACC's average reported attendance is nearly 3,000 above its median. None of the other leagues we are talking about here have such a large discrepancy between average and median.

That discrepancy in the ACC occurs because the teams with huge arenas have enough seats to sell far more tickets than others and distort the average upward. Kentucky's capacity also distorts the SEC's average slightly, but Kentucky is 1 of 14 SEC schools and thus doesn't have the same effect on the average as 4 of 15 large arenas do in the ACC.

The median in a large conference obviously isn't affected by 1 or 2 outliers, regardless of whether those outliers are high or low.
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(09-22-2017 04:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
2017 NCAA Men's College Basketball Attendance by Conference:

1. Big 10- 12,235
2. A.C.C.- 11,257
3. S.E.C.- 11,080
4. Big 12- 10,427
5. Big E.- 10,014
6. P.A.C.- 8,170

It doesn't matter how many people you get into the gym, it's how much they had to pay for the ticket.
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(09-23-2017 07:00 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 11:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.

I don't see how you can say that the ACC's top arenas distort the average attendance:

Rank, School, Size, Attendance, Percentage

1. Syr 35K/21K 65%*
2. Louis 22K/21K 96%
3. UNC 22L/18K 82%
4. NC State 19K/16K 84%
5. UVa 15K/14K 93%
6. WF 14K/9.8K 70%
7. FSU 13K/7.9K 61%
8. Pitt 12K/8.3K 69%
9. CU 10K/7.2K 72%
10. VT 10K/7.4K 74%
11. ND 9.1K/8.2K 90%
12 Duke 9.3K/9.3K 100%
13. BC 8.5K/4.2K 49%
14. GT 8.6K/6K 67%
15. Miami 7.9K/7.1K 90%

A case can be made that BC, GT, and Duke artificially drag the conference numbers down.

Now the Carrier Dome can squeeze in 35K but what is a reasonable full house in Syracuse?

If not for the profit off of artificial scarcity, Duke's basketball arena would seat 15-18K and run 90% full.

There are 50,000 P-5 college basketball seats in the Raleigh-Durham metro. What's amazing is that attendance averages 44K between State, Duke, and UNC. UCLA and Southern Cal are the only other P-5's that I can think of that play in the same metro. If you expand for the Big East and AAC, then you have two in DC, two in Houston, two in DFW, and two in Philly.

And two in Cincinnati.

Actually if you count the Cincinnati-Dayton region (which will be in the same metro in the next census), there's 3 schools that average over 9,000 a game.

Highest attendance of major schools (over 6,000 attendance) by metro:
1) Raleigh-Durham (44,000, 3 schools)
2) Salt Lake City (40,000, 4 schools - Weber State and Utah State both average 6,800)
3) Cincinnati-Dayton (33,000, 3 schools)
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(09-23-2017 07:00 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 11:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.

I don't see how you can say that the ACC's top arenas distort the average attendance:

Rank, School, Size, Attendance, Percentage

1. Syr 35K/21K 65%*
2. Louis 22K/21K 96%
3. UNC 22L/18K 82%
4. NC State 19K/16K 84%
5. UVa 15K/14K 93%
6. WF 14K/9.8K 70%
7. FSU 13K/7.9K 61%
8. Pitt 12K/8.3K 69%
9. CU 10K/7.2K 72%
10. VT 10K/7.4K 74%
11. ND 9.1K/8.2K 90%
12 Duke 9.3K/9.3K 100%
13. BC 8.5K/4.2K 49%
14. GT 8.6K/6K 67%
15. Miami 7.9K/7.1K 90%

A case can be made that BC, GT, and Duke artificially drag the conference numbers down.

Now the Carrier Dome can squeeze in 35K but what is a reasonable full house in Syracuse?

If not for the profit off of artificial scarcity, Duke's basketball arena would seat 15-18K and run 90% full.

There are 50,000 P-5 college basketball seats in the Raleigh-Durham metro. What's amazing is that attendance averages 44K between State, Duke, and UNC. UCLA and Southern Cal are the only other P-5's that I can think of that play in the same metro. If you expand for the Big East and AAC, then you have two in DC, two in Houston, two in DFW, and two in Philly.

3 in the NYC metro. Rutgers, Seton Hall and St. John's.
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(10-06-2017 11:11 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:00 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 11:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.

I don't see how you can say that the ACC's top arenas distort the average attendance:

Rank, School, Size, Attendance, Percentage

1. Syr 35K/21K 65%*
2. Louis 22K/21K 96%
3. UNC 22L/18K 82%
4. NC State 19K/16K 84%
5. UVa 15K/14K 93%
6. WF 14K/9.8K 70%
7. FSU 13K/7.9K 61%
8. Pitt 12K/8.3K 69%
9. CU 10K/7.2K 72%
10. VT 10K/7.4K 74%
11. ND 9.1K/8.2K 90%
12 Duke 9.3K/9.3K 100%
13. BC 8.5K/4.2K 49%
14. GT 8.6K/6K 67%
15. Miami 7.9K/7.1K 90%

A case can be made that BC, GT, and Duke artificially drag the conference numbers down.

Now the Carrier Dome can squeeze in 35K but what is a reasonable full house in Syracuse?

If not for the profit off of artificial scarcity, Duke's basketball arena would seat 15-18K and run 90% full.

There are 50,000 P-5 college basketball seats in the Raleigh-Durham metro. What's amazing is that attendance averages 44K between State, Duke, and UNC. UCLA and Southern Cal are the only other P-5's that I can think of that play in the same metro. If you expand for the Big East and AAC, then you have two in DC, two in Houston, two in DFW, and two in Philly.

3 in the NYC metro. Rutgers, Seton Hall and St. John's.

True. But none of them crack 9,000 in attendance. If all three are hosting a game at the same time, they'll combine for about the same attendance as an average Syracuse game.
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(10-06-2017 04:42 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 11:11 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:00 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 11:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance.

Kentucky's average (23,461) is more than twice the capacity of most college basketball arenas. The top ACC arenas also distort their conference's attendance average.

The median for each conference looks quite a bit different. Here are the medians for 2016-17:

Big Ten 12,436
Big 12 9,893
SEC 9,783
Big East 8,486
ACC 8,327
Pac-12 7,751

By the way, these numbers are from an NCAA release, you can find the PDF file at fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2017.pdf , or the file is attached to this comment.

I don't see how you can say that the ACC's top arenas distort the average attendance:

Rank, School, Size, Attendance, Percentage

1. Syr 35K/21K 65%*
2. Louis 22K/21K 96%
3. UNC 22L/18K 82%
4. NC State 19K/16K 84%
5. UVa 15K/14K 93%
6. WF 14K/9.8K 70%
7. FSU 13K/7.9K 61%
8. Pitt 12K/8.3K 69%
9. CU 10K/7.2K 72%
10. VT 10K/7.4K 74%
11. ND 9.1K/8.2K 90%
12 Duke 9.3K/9.3K 100%
13. BC 8.5K/4.2K 49%
14. GT 8.6K/6K 67%
15. Miami 7.9K/7.1K 90%

A case can be made that BC, GT, and Duke artificially drag the conference numbers down.

Now the Carrier Dome can squeeze in 35K but what is a reasonable full house in Syracuse?

If not for the profit off of artificial scarcity, Duke's basketball arena would seat 15-18K and run 90% full.

There are 50,000 P-5 college basketball seats in the Raleigh-Durham metro. What's amazing is that attendance averages 44K between State, Duke, and UNC. UCLA and Southern Cal are the only other P-5's that I can think of that play in the same metro. If you expand for the Big East and AAC, then you have two in DC, two in Houston, two in DFW, and two in Philly.

3 in the NYC metro. Rutgers, Seton Hall and St. John's.

True. But none of them crack 9,000 in attendance. If all three are hosting a game at the same time, they'll combine for about the same attendance as an average Syracuse game.

Well thats not the point. I was responding to the post asking which other metros have 2 or more top 7 conference teams.

Also it depends on who the two BE teams are playing. Playing each other, Nova, Duke, Cuse, GT or UConn helps them come close to sell outs. We do well against Seton Hall.
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RE: NCAA 2017 Men's Basketball Average Attendance by Conference
(09-22-2017 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:20 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  This is a useless stat because it says nothing about the actual capacities. A better figure would be the percentage seats filled out of the total seats through the season.

You tell me what's more worthless, counting empty seats, or counting occupied ones? You get paid by the # of fannies in the seats. It's the cash that counts, not the venue size.

I could have put the year over year totals but it is in a pdf file report by the NCAA and available by Googling "NCAA Basketball Attendance by Conference". The actual report will break it down by school, by net gain or loss in attendance, and by the averages I gave you.

What these stats reveal, that you call useless, is exactly what the conference's averaged per school per game in attendance. What they reveal is that the relative attendance doesn't vary by much in actual attendance for any of the conferences, but in % of attendance compared to the leader the Big 10 the PAC is 33% behind and in 6th place overall.

I think the Big East would find that significant.

When a school's basketball revenue is listed we'll post that. We've posted the Gross Revenue figures for the schools for all sports.

But, what it does is to dismiss the myth that the Big East, Big 12, or SEC trail the Big 10 or ACC by a wide margin. They don't. Other than that it's just another set of numbers, and basketball numbers don't get posted very often.

I think the bigger point is that conference averages are largely meaningless. I have yet to see a basketball game between the ACC and the B1G. I only see a team from one conference play a team from the other. It's much the same with looking at conference records vs other conferences, especially in football.

You can't tell much from the small samples we get. So much depends on which teams are competing, not which conferences. It matters if the B1G team you are playing is Ohio State or if it is Rutgers. Or if you are playing Oklahoma rather than Kansas from the Big 12.

As for basketball revenues, I'm afraid we will have the same problem analyzing the numbers because there is no consistently in how they are reported. Every school gets to decide how to allocate revenues by sport.

For example, Duke might allocate all of the donations to their booster club to basketball, and none to football. They would probably reason that the donors who give $8,000 and buy two season tickets for both basketball and football are only making that donation to get the basketball tickets. The opposite is likely true at Alabama. For other schools, the truth is probably somewhere in between.

Many (indeed, most) FBS schools leave millions of dollars in revenue unallocated. A few allocate nearly all revenues. Texas, for example leaves $77,000,000 unallocated. Syracuse, OTOH, leaves only $885,000. The only thing we can really tell from the reported numbers is that Texas is a lot richer than Syracuse. But I think we already knew that.
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RE: NCAA 2017 Men's Basketball Average Attendance by Conference
Conf averages could be meaningful when negotiating the TV package for the conference, in the sense of being a proxy statistic for potential TV viewership of the conf games relative to other confs.

Interesting to me is to look at the top 3 for each:

ACC - Syracuse 21.2k (#2), Louisville 20.8k (#3), UNC 18.1k (#4)
Big East - Creighton 17.4k (#5), Marquette 13.7k (#19), Xavier 10.3k (#38)
Big Ten - Wisc 17.3k (#6), Maryland 16.6k (#7), Indiana 16.3k (#9)
Big 12 - Kansas 16.4k (#8), Iowa St 14.3k (#16), K-State 11.5k (#29)
PAC - Arizona 14.4k (#15), Utah 12k (#26), UCLA 11.2k (#32)
SEC - Kentucky 23.5k (#1), Arkansas 15.2k (#12), Tenn 13.6k (#20)


Couple things:
- what the heck is Nebraska doing up there at #11 with 15.4k ??? Good grief, Nebraska fans are so desperate to cheer for anything ... even a middling Big Ten bball program that hasn't ever won anything in their history.
- SD St and New Mexico have pretty nice attendances. Who knows, maybe one day they'll get a call up to a P5
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