How much can they take away? How much treatment for medical conditions can they deny? I mean, your gaurunteed, a place to live and food. You will not lose Utilities. Education and for the kids. Do t even have to be American for all this. Circle a bubble and do what you like. Ain't that hard.

assuming health insurance, it depends if you enjoy rolling the dice with your life if you can still fit into your high school jeans along the way....

or if your genes are simply total dogshite.....

do you have kids....

chuck 'em and see if can hit the pass line acknowledging just those three w/o and feel secure....

then ask yourself, do I have to live in a trailer and become another subsidized victim or figure out how to float two mortgages AND suck corpshite 'murica's ****.....

(09-22-2017 04:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  assuming health insurance, it depends if you enjoy rolling the dice with your life if you can still fit into your high school jeans along the way....

or if your genes are simply total dogshite.....

do you have kids....

chuck 'em and see if can hit the pass line acknowledging just those three w/o and feel secure....

then ask yourself, do I have to live in a trailer and become another subsidized victim or figure out how to float two mortgages AND suck corpshite 'murica's ****.....

Common stink, it ain't that bad. You can still live large. And it ain't just my kids.....it's "our" kids. They will want for nothing. Me, I can get by just fine.

(09-22-2017 05:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  assuming health insurance, it depends if you enjoy rolling the dice with your life if you can still fit into your high school jeans along the way....

or if your genes are simply total dogshite.....

do you have kids....

chuck 'em and see if can hit the pass line acknowledging just those three w/o and feel secure....

then ask yourself, do I have to live in a trailer and become another subsidized victim or figure out how to float two mortgages AND suck corpshite 'murica's ****.....

Common stink, it ain't that bad. You can still live large. And it ain't just my kids.....it's "our" kids. They will want for nothing. Me, I can get by just fine.

lol....

(09-22-2017 03:55 PM)Dasville Wrote:  How much can they take away? How much treatment for medical conditions can they deny? I mean, your gaurunteed, a place to live and food. You will not lose Utilities. Education and for the kids. Do t even have to be American for all this. Circle a bubble and do what you like. Ain't that hard.

it's a good question, tbh

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I had to ask that question myself this week. I slipped and took a hard fall on my knee while ashore in Nassau back in late February. When I got back, the pain became unbearable after a week, and by early March I had x-rays and a cardiovascular screening (I forget the exact name) to make sure I didn't have a clot in my knee. Everything came back negative, so basically I just had to keep icing it and try to stay off my feet.

I had seven months on that plan (an individual plan) at $320 per month. The tests and x-rays were $2,739 before insurance. I was just billed this week for the balance of $742. (7 x $320) plus $742 > $2,739.

Fortunately after changing jobs I am on an employer plan, but the damage to my wallet has already been done.

But thanks to the Democratic Party. I have to buy insurance to keep from paying $2,000-$3,000 in penalties. Remember, it's the highest of $695 per person, the annualized cost of a bronze plan, or 2.5% of AGI.

And that's why I'll never vote Democrat ever again. EVER.

(09-22-2017 05:45 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 03:55 PM)Dasville Wrote:  How much can they take away? How much treatment for medical conditions can they deny? I mean, your gaurunteed, a place to live and food. You will not lose Utilities. Education and for the kids. Do t even have to be American for all this. Circle a bubble and do what you like. Ain't that hard.

it's a good question, tbh

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now you understand what some tell the IRS and why.....

many ways to play the game....

(09-22-2017 06:09 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I had to ask that question myself this week. I slipped and took a hard fall on my knee while ashore in Nassau back in late February. When I got back, the pain became unbearable after a week, and by early March I had x-rays and a cardiovascular screening (I forget the exact name) to make sure I didn't have a clot in my knee. Everything came back negative, so basically I just had to keep icing it and try to stay off my feet.

I had seven months on that plan (an individual plan) at $320 per month. The tests and x-rays were $2,739 before insurance. I was just billed this week for the balance of $742. (7 x $320) plus $742 > $2,739.

Fortunately after changing jobs I am on an employer plan, but the damage to my wallet has already been done.

But thanks to the Democratic Party. I have to buy insurance to keep from paying $2,000-$3,000 in penalties. Remember, it's the highest of $695 per person, the annualized cost of a bronze plan, or 2.5% of AGI.

And that's why I'll never vote Democrat ever again. EVER.

sums up what pops explained about the 'why' 46 yrs ago at the dinner table.....

(09-22-2017 06:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 05:45 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 03:55 PM)Dasville Wrote:  How much can they take away? How much treatment for medical conditions can they deny? I mean, your gaurunteed, a place to live and food. You will not lose Utilities. Education and for the kids. Do t even have to be American for all this. Circle a bubble and do what you like. Ain't that hard.

it's a good question, tbh

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now you understand what some tell the IRS and why.....

many ways to play the game....

if I have my own operation by a certain age I'll probably tell them to eff off. there's a point in life where the risk is worth it.

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(09-23-2017 08:35 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 06:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 05:45 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 03:55 PM)Dasville Wrote:  How much can they take away? How much treatment for medical conditions can they deny? I mean, your gaurunteed, a place to live and food. You will not lose Utilities. Education and for the kids. Do t even have to be American for all this. Circle a bubble and do what you like. Ain't that hard.

it's a good question, tbh

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now you understand what some tell the IRS and why.....

many ways to play the game....

if I have my own operation by a certain age I'll probably tell them to eff off. there's a point in life where the risk is worth it.

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yup....I wish you nothing but best wishes with that moving forward.....

while it may be a small sample of power, it becomes power not having to subsidize the dipshites....

that's my fight for what I believe is right.....

If you have a family and responsibilities, having a level of insurance coverage is simply a necessary financial decision. The problem is that the costs of current policies do not reflect a good ROI due to the ACA creating a "bubble" in the insurance pools. We dumped 12 million people with preexisting conditions into the system...many of them the unhealthy poor. Thus...the rise in premiums.

It is the "what to do about it?" that is now the question. How do we give basic care to the underserved and keep the costs down for the rest of us.?

It seems clear that some type of single payer "basic" insurance is needed for everyone. We can fund this with small payroll tax or consumption tax. A basic plan (2 to 6 doc visits and drug coverage with low copays) should not be that expensive. Coverage above the basic plan should be handled by the marketplace. People should be able to insure themselves at the level of risk they can afford. The marketplace is perfectly capable of providing that level of insurance without government assistance. A catastrophic insurance plan should be available that has very high deductibles and low premiums. If I want to have a 50,000 dollar deductible in order to keep my premium low?...then I should be able to buy that policy. There should be a wide array of plans suited to the individual and allow competition for customers to keep costs down. This is Bismarck. This is what needs to be done IMO.

(09-23-2017 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a family and responsibilities, having a level of insurance coverage is simply a necessary financial decision. The problem is that the costs of current policies do not reflect a good ROI due to the ACA creating a "bubble" in the insurance pools. We dumped 12 million people with preexisting conditions into the system...many of them the unhealthy poor. Thus...the rise in premiums.

It is the "what to do about it?" that is now the question. How do we give basic care to the underserved and keep the costs down for the rest of us.?

It seems clear that some type of single payer "basic" insurance is needed for everyone. We can fund this with small payroll tax or consumption tax. A basic plan (2 to 6 doc visits and drug coverage with low copays) should not be that expensive. Coverage above the basic plan should be handled by the marketplace. People should be able to insure themselves at the level of risk they can afford. The marketplace is perfectly capable of providing that level of insurance without government assistance. A catastrophic insurance plan should be available that has very high deductibles and low premiums. If I want to have a 50,000 dollar deductible in order to keep my premium low?...then I should be able to buy that policy. There should be a wide array of plans suited to the individual and allow competition for customers to keep costs down. This is Bismarck. This is what needs to be done IMO.

Why is it a necessary decision. What if I refuse coverage and simply don't pay the bills? What can they do? I think that is the question.

And what you are suggesting does nothing to keep costs down. It doesn't matter who is paying for it when it costs $40,000 to spend 2 nights in a hospital, get a c section with a $500 scalple, and pop a $60 Aspirin every 3 hours. Until that is addressed, all Bismarck does is sweep sand from one side of the room to the other.

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(09-23-2017 10:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a family and responsibilities, having a level of insurance coverage is simply a necessary financial decision. The problem is that the costs of current policies do not reflect a good ROI due to the ACA creating a "bubble" in the insurance pools. We dumped 12 million people with preexisting conditions into the system...many of them the unhealthy poor. Thus...the rise in premiums.

It is the "what to do about it?" that is now the question. How do we give basic care to the underserved and keep the costs down for the rest of us.?

It seems clear that some type of single payer "basic" insurance is needed for everyone. We can fund this with small payroll tax or consumption tax. A basic plan (2 to 6 doc visits and drug coverage with low copays) should not be that expensive. Coverage above the basic plan should be handled by the marketplace. People should be able to insure themselves at the level of risk they can afford. The marketplace is perfectly capable of providing that level of insurance without government assistance. A catastrophic insurance plan should be available that has very high deductibles and low premiums. If I want to have a 50,000 dollar deductible in order to keep my premium low?...then I should be able to buy that policy. There should be a wide array of plans suited to the individual and allow competition for customers to keep costs down. This is Bismarck. This is what needs to be done IMO.

Why is it a necessary decision. What if I refuse coverage and simply don't pay the bills? What can they do? I think that is the question.

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that = 1

#debtorsprison

welcome to the newest version of dippo hell......

the ones that 'can' got ****** up the arse......any simple minded person that has will saw that coming....

FK 'EM! is my response.....it's the 21st century Revolution!

(09-23-2017 10:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a family and responsibilities, having a level of insurance coverage is simply a necessary financial decision. The problem is that the costs of current policies do not reflect a good ROI due to the ACA creating a "bubble" in the insurance pools. We dumped 12 million people with preexisting conditions into the system...many of them the unhealthy poor. Thus...the rise in premiums.

It is the "what to do about it?" that is now the question. How do we give basic care to the underserved and keep the costs down for the rest of us.?

It seems clear that some type of single payer "basic" insurance is needed for everyone. We can fund this with small payroll tax or consumption tax. A basic plan (2 to 6 doc visits and drug coverage with low copays) should not be that expensive. Coverage above the basic plan should be handled by the marketplace. People should be able to insure themselves at the level of risk they can afford. The marketplace is perfectly capable of providing that level of insurance without government assistance. A catastrophic insurance plan should be available that has very high deductibles and low premiums. If I want to have a 50,000 dollar deductible in order to keep my premium low?...then I should be able to buy that policy. There should be a wide array of plans suited to the individual and allow competition for customers to keep costs down. This is Bismarck. This is what needs to be done IMO.

Why is it a necessary decision. What if I refuse coverage and simply don't pay the bills? What can they do? I think that is the question.

And what you are suggesting does nothing to keep costs down. It doesn't matter who is paying for it when it costs $40,000 to spend 2 nights in a hospital, get a c section with a $500 scalple, and pop a $60 Aspirin every 3 hours. Until that is addressed, all Bismarck does is sweep sand from one side of the room to the other.

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I fully agree that reduction of costs needs to be in the equation. What you describe is big part of the problems we have. Im not sure honestly where we go to make that happen. The entire system is messed up. Possibly more competition can help like it has for MRI's and other testing procedures. As for simply not paying?....I understand under our current paradigm that being a option..but..if you felt your coverage had a good ROI?...would you still consider that?

Student loan debt is the same

(09-23-2017 10:41 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a family and responsibilities, having a level of insurance coverage is simply a necessary financial decision. The problem is that the costs of current policies do not reflect a good ROI due to the ACA creating a "bubble" in the insurance pools. We dumped 12 million people with preexisting conditions into the system...many of them the unhealthy poor. Thus...the rise in premiums.

It is the "what to do about it?" that is now the question. How do we give basic care to the underserved and keep the costs down for the rest of us.?

It seems clear that some type of single payer "basic" insurance is needed for everyone. We can fund this with small payroll tax or consumption tax. A basic plan (2 to 6 doc visits and drug coverage with low copays) should not be that expensive. Coverage above the basic plan should be handled by the marketplace. People should be able to insure themselves at the level of risk they can afford. The marketplace is perfectly capable of providing that level of insurance without government assistance. A catastrophic insurance plan should be available that has very high deductibles and low premiums. If I want to have a 50,000 dollar deductible in order to keep my premium low?...then I should be able to buy that policy. There should be a wide array of plans suited to the individual and allow competition for customers to keep costs down. This is Bismarck. This is what needs to be done IMO.

Why is it a necessary decision. What if I refuse coverage and simply don't pay the bills? What can they do? I think that is the question.

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that = 1

#debtorsprison

welcome to the newest version of dippo hell......

the ones that 'can' got ****** up the arse......any simple minded person that has will saw that coming....

FK 'EM! is my response.....it's the 21st century Revolution!

What we have is a clusterfck. The entire healthcare system and the insurance system is completely screwed up. When your damn premiums are approaching the amount of your mortgage? You are fcked.

(09-23-2017 11:26 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a family and responsibilities, having a level of insurance coverage is simply a necessary financial decision. The problem is that the costs of current policies do not reflect a good ROI due to the ACA creating a "bubble" in the insurance pools. We dumped 12 million people with preexisting conditions into the system...many of them the unhealthy poor. Thus...the rise in premiums.
It is the "what to do about it?" that is now the question. How do we give basic care to the underserved and keep the costs down for the rest of us.?
It seems clear that some type of single payer "basic" insurance is needed for everyone. We can fund this with small payroll tax or consumption tax. A basic plan (2 to 6 doc visits and drug coverage with low copays) should not be that expensive. Coverage above the basic plan should be handled by the marketplace. People should be able to insure themselves at the level of risk they can afford. The marketplace is perfectly capable of providing that level of insurance without government assistance. A catastrophic insurance plan should be available that has very high deductibles and low premiums. If I want to have a 50,000 dollar deductible in order to keep my premium low?...then I should be able to buy that policy. There should be a wide array of plans suited to the individual and allow competition for customers to keep costs down. This is Bismarck. This is what needs to be done IMO.

Why is it a necessary decision. What if I refuse coverage and simply don't pay the bills? What can they do? I think that is the question.
And what you are suggesting does nothing to keep costs down. It doesn't matter who is paying for it when it costs $40,000 to spend 2 nights in a hospital, get a c section with a $500 scalple, and pop a $60 Aspirin every 3 hours. Until that is addressed, all Bismarck does is sweep sand from one side of the room to the other.
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I fully agree that reduction of costs needs to be in the equation. What you describe is big part of the problems we have. Im not sure honestly where we go to make that happen. The entire system is messed up. Possibly more competition can help like it has for MRI's and other testing procedures. As for simply not paying?....I understand under our current paradigm that being a option..but..if you felt your coverage had a good ROI?...would you still consider that?

With Bismarck, "refuse coverage and simply don't pay the bills" doesn't really exist. And Bismarck fosters competition in ways that our current system stifles, both in health insurance and health care.

(09-22-2017 06:09 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I had to ask that question myself this week. I slipped and took a hard fall on my knee while ashore in Nassau back in late February. When I got back, the pain became unbearable after a week, and by early March I had x-rays and a cardiovascular screening (I forget the exact name) to make sure I didn't have a clot in my knee. Everything came back negative, so basically I just had to keep icing it and try to stay off my feet.

I had seven months on that plan (an individual plan) at $320 per month. The tests and x-rays were $2,739 before insurance. I was just billed this week for the balance of $742. (7 x $320) plus $742 > $2,739.

Fortunately after changing jobs I am on an employer plan, but the damage to my wallet has already been done.

But thanks to the Democratic Party. I have to buy insurance to keep from paying $2,000-$3,000 in penalties. Remember, it's the highest of $695 per person, the annualized cost of a bronze plan, or 2.5% of AGI.

And that's why I'll never vote Democrat ever again. EVER.

That's great but my question is why would have ever voted democrat in the first place?