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DeVos rescinds campus rape guidelines ?
In a move that will have campus rapists and their advocates cheering, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has rescinded the Obama-era campus sexual assault policy. The notice of the move was signed by the odious Candice Jackson, and while Jackson, DeVos, and the Men’s Rights Activists she’s been consulting say that the Obama-era campus sexual assault guidelines were just too confusing, here’s what anti-rape activists have said about the now-rescinded “Dear Colleague” letter:


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Not sure this is a good idea since it has been established on this forum that teachers only teach to rape children.
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(09-22-2017 10:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  In a move that will have campus rapists and their advocates cheering, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has rescinded the Obama-era campus sexual assault policy. The notice of the move was signed by the odious Candice Jackson, and while Jackson, DeVos, and the Men’s Rights Activists she’s been consulting say that the Obama-era campus sexual assault guidelines were just too confusing, here’s what anti-rape activists have said about the now-rescinded “Dear Colleague” letter:


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Not sure this is a good idea since it has been established on this forum that teachers only teach to rape children.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...story.html

I'm not going to read the Daily Kos but let me ask you a simple question:

Should a person accused of rape by a third party get kicked out of college when the supposed victim says it was not rape? Because that has happened under the Obama guidelines.
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These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.
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Fit, do accused rapist deserve due process?
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(09-22-2017 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.

^this. The prior policy was a great injustice.
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DailyKos.... gtfooh
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Trump couldn't have possibly done this soon enough.

Here's a better read than Daily Kos drivel.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar...cy/538974/
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Due process and proper justice in legitimate sexual assault cases are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately stuff like the Stanford swimmer thing fuels the fire since these really should be handled by the proper law enforcement authoritiea.
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Due process vs. SJW-inspired kangaroo courts

No brainer, and it's terrifying that anyone would want or believe otherwise.
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(09-22-2017 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.

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(09-22-2017 12:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Due process and proper justice in legitimate sexual assault cases are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately stuff like the Stanford swimmer thing fuels the fire since these really should be handled by the proper law enforcement authoritiea.

Eyewitness accounts, 2 grad students stopped the assault, and the Swimmer withdrew from Stanford. It is a lot different than she said he said, with no other eye witness or any kind of evidence.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/...e347841929
The Obama administration’s disdain for the rule of law continues to reverberate. One way is its Title IX madness, which has caught numerous colleges and universities in its web. Among them is Amherst College, which now faces a lawsuit brought by a student who makes a compelling case that he was wrongfully expelled.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/...270e5e1929
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(09-22-2017 01:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.

This

The universities are not putting these people on trial. They are simply kicking them out of school.

They are free to go somewhere else.
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(09-22-2017 02:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 01:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.

This

The universities are not putting these people on trial. They are simply kicking them out of school.

They are free to go somewhere else.

That's unacceptable as well, especially if it's only based on one person's word.
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(09-22-2017 02:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 01:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.

This

The universities are not putting these people on trial. They are simply kicking them out of school.

They are free to go somewhere else.

That's unacceptable as well, especially if it's only based on one person's word.

If Kapernick can be denied entry into the NFL because he takes a knee then why can't a university kick out who they think is guilty of sexual assualt.
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(09-22-2017 02:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 01:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.

This

The universities are not putting these people on trial. They are simply kicking them out of school.

They are free to go somewhere else.

That's unacceptable as well, especially if it's only based on one person's word.

If Kapernick can be denied entry into the NFL because he takes a knee then why can't a university kick out who they think is guilty of sexual assualt.

FFS, come on Fit.
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(09-22-2017 02:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 01:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This

The universities are not putting these people on trial. They are simply kicking them out of school.

They are free to go somewhere else.

That's unacceptable as well, especially if it's only based on one person's word.

If Kapernick can be denied entry into the NFL because he takes a knee then why can't a university kick out who they think is guilty of sexual assualt.

FFS, come on Fit.

It's a university. They are under no obligation to take anyone. Last time I checked, you have to be accepted into a University.
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(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The universities are not putting these people on trial. They are simply kicking them out of school.

They are free to go somewhere else.

That's unacceptable as well, especially if it's only based on one person's word.

If Kapernick can be denied entry into the NFL because he takes a knee then why can't a university kick out who they think is guilty of sexual assualt.

FFS, come on Fit.

It's a university. They are under no obligation to take anyone. Last time I checked, you have to be accepted into a University.

Well, for starters the two are in no way related so not sure where you pulled that from. Second, in no way is it right to expel an innocent student. THAT is why there are now lawsuits for doing exactly that. Also, you are forgetting these students have already been accepted, so no idea what you are talking about regarding "you have to be accepted". Devos is right with this one, as it prevents the falsely accused from having their lives ruined.
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(09-22-2017 02:40 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  That's unacceptable as well, especially if it's only based on one person's word.

If Kapernick can be denied entry into the NFL because he takes a knee then why can't a university kick out who they think is guilty of sexual assualt.

FFS, come on Fit.

It's a university. They are under no obligation to take anyone. Last time I checked, you have to be accepted into a University.

Well, for starters the two are in no way related so not sure where you pulled that from. Second, in no way is it right to expel an innocent student. THAT is why there are now lawsuits for doing exactly that. Also, you are forgetting these students have already been accepted, so no idea what you are talking about regarding "you have to be accepted". Devos is right with this one, as it prevents the falsely accused from having their lives ruined.

They aren't guilty according to the law. The school isn't trying to prove under a court of law whether or not they are guilty.

They don't have to. Universities have a Code of Conduct. If the university has a reason to believe that it was violated, they can kick people out.
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(09-22-2017 02:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 01:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:52 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  These guys have zero due process rights under title 9. Universities have no business nor the expertise to investigate possible sex crimes. That is for the police and county prosecutors. A ton of schools are quietly settling law suits brought by these guys. DeVos is 100% doing the right thing.

This

The universities are not putting these people on trial. They are simply kicking them out of school.

They are free to go somewhere else.

Until every school turns them down because of that significant blemish that is going to be asked about, what is worse is that because of the lack of due process many actual rapists get off lightly and those who falsely accuse don't actually face any type of backlash for doing so.
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