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RE: What's the future for the PAC?
(09-25-2017 12:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
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(09-22-2017 10:59 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  The Pac is safer than the ACC, even with their very very long GoR. Scott will be out and a new commish will negotiate their next TV deal and they will load up with Big XII schools with or without UT once their GoR runs out.

Why would any of the BIG 12 schools want to go west and lose money in the PAC? Don't feel like the BIG 12 has anything to worry about from the PAC....

Because the most valuable schools (UT and OU) have already jumped ship and they rather head west than back fill with AAC schools. Also the Pac has already taken from the XII and had others asking for membership in the recent past. I think you underestimate how your fellow conference members feel about the Pac. Also the next TV deal wont pay you for 12 schools when you sit at 10.


Why would Texas & Oklahoma want to head west? The B1G & SEC offer far more $. I would think that the PAC schools see that as well. Why wouldn't USC, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, Oregon & Washington not be enticed by joining up with their buddies in the B1G? Why wouldn't the B1G be enticed by it? That would open the door for possibly Arizona, Arizona State, Utah & Colorado to go to the B12 & that possibly could be enough to satisfy Texas & Oklahoma. With a bit more shuffling you could divide the ACC into the B1G & SEC.

How much financial value do you think any B12 school, outside of the Longhorns & Sooners, offer the PAC?


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The B1G doesn't want to be at 30 schools and sending all of their Olympic sports out west. They can already schedule those teams pretty much whenever they want. Same with the Pac teams, they much rather stay out west and play those mid-western schools OOC in all sports.

UT and OU will go where they get a lot of money and a lot of say in how things will be done moving forward. They can get more money in the SEC and B1G but wont get as much sway in the future of conference decisions. UT especially wants/needs that. OU will follow UT if they can but if not would go for the money/stability of the B1G. There they can play NU again and be the big dog in the west.

The Pac at this point moving forward will be more receptive to the second tier XII schools like Tech, OSU and KSU. Even look for a possible Houston invite. The religious schools like Baylor and TCU wouldn't be considred for the same reason they will never consider BYU. If the SEC decides to expand by 2 look for WVU to be considered for the second spot after OU/TCU.\

Those not receiving a life raft (Baylor, ISU and whomever else) will back fill with the AAC and MWC and keep the XII name and exit fees/tourny credits.

I just don't see TX or OU moving west either. If they're going to leave the XII, it will be for money and stability. Unless there's a huge change in the PAC network's ratings and distribution, I don't see them being able to "cough up the dough" so to speak. If there isn't a significant raise involved, they might as well stay in the XII. With the SEC and the B1G, they'd get the chance to have both PLUS reunite with old rivals. Hard to say just how much "say" they'd have in either league. I don't see tOSU or Alabama kowtowing (no pun intended) to either.

Seems that the only way for the PAC to survive would be to do as you suggested and take the best of what's left, that being KU, OSU, and TT plus Houston. If they don't they run the risk of becoming the hunted instead of one of the hunters.
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RE: What's the future for the PAC?
The PAC's politics would deter any other school from another part of the country.
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RE: What's the future for the PAC?
(09-25-2017 01:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  The PAC's politics would deter any other school from another part of the country.

Like a school in a red state like Arizona or Utah? Oh wait...
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What's the future for the PAC?
(09-25-2017 12:58 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-25-2017 12:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:40 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 02:34 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 01:22 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Why would any of the BIG 12 schools want to go west and lose money in the PAC? Don't feel like the BIG 12 has anything to worry about from the PAC....

Because the most valuable schools (UT and OU) have already jumped ship and they rather head west than back fill with AAC schools. Also the Pac has already taken from the XII and had others asking for membership in the recent past. I think you underestimate how your fellow conference members feel about the Pac. Also the next TV deal wont pay you for 12 schools when you sit at 10.


Why would Texas & Oklahoma want to head west? The B1G & SEC offer far more $. I would think that the PAC schools see that as well. Why wouldn't USC, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, Oregon & Washington not be enticed by joining up with their buddies in the B1G? Why wouldn't the B1G be enticed by it? That would open the door for possibly Arizona, Arizona State, Utah & Colorado to go to the B12 & that possibly could be enough to satisfy Texas & Oklahoma. With a bit more shuffling you could divide the ACC into the B1G & SEC.

How much financial value do you think any B12 school, outside of the Longhorns & Sooners, offer the PAC?


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The B1G doesn't want to be at 30 schools and sending all of their Olympic sports out west. They can already schedule those teams pretty much whenever they want. Same with the Pac teams, they much rather stay out west and play those mid-western schools OOC in all sports.

UT and OU will go where they get a lot of money and a lot of say in how things will be done moving forward. They can get more money in the SEC and B1G but wont get as much sway in the future of conference decisions. UT especially wants/needs that. OU will follow UT if they can but if not would go for the money/stability of the B1G. There they can play NU again and be the big dog in the west.

The Pac at this point moving forward will be more receptive to the second tier XII schools like Tech, OSU and KSU. Even look for a possible Houston invite. The religious schools like Baylor and TCU wouldn't be considred for the same reason they will never consider BYU. If the SEC decides to expand by 2 look for WVU to be considered for the second spot after OU/TCU.\

Those not receiving a life raft (Baylor, ISU and whomever else) will back fill with the AAC and MWC and keep the XII name and exit fees/tourny credits.

I just don't see TX or OU moving west either. If they're going to leave the XII, it will be for money and stability. Unless there's a huge change in the PAC network's ratings and distribution, I don't see them being able to "cough up the dough" so to speak. If there isn't a significant raise involved, they might as well stay in the XII. With the SEC and the B1G, they'd get the chance to have both PLUS reunite with old rivals. Hard to say just how much "say" they'd have in either league. I don't see tOSU or Alabama kowtowing (no pun intended) to either.

Seems that the only way for the PAC to survive would be to do as you suggested and take the best of what's left, that being KU, OSU, and TT plus Houston. If they don't they run the risk of becoming the hunted instead of one of the hunters.


Who said anything about the B1G going to 30? I was talking about a new western division in the B1G. It could be done with 4-7 schools. USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington & Arizona would give the B1G the entire west coast & quality content. It would be a financial windfall for the schools & the B1G.

How would any of the B12 teams outside of the Longhorns & Sooners help the PAC financially? Certainly they would create additional income but would it be enough to raise the per school payout? Restructuring the PACN would go further in that regard I believe.


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