Byu doesnt make sense right now by itself.

Add a schedule alliance with byu and army.

Byu plays three west teams one east. 7-5 record or better and they get put in the bowl pecking order. 6-6 they can be selected but last of aac teams.

Army plays three teams from the east, one from the west. 6-6 with a winning record vs the aac (navy will make it 5 games vs aac 10 out of 12 years) they are in the bowl pecking order, in front of byu in case of tied records. Under .500 they get absolute last after byu in case of tied records.

Both schools get more bowl opportunities, scheduling is solid and much easier. BYU still has plenty of room for p5 opponents and wont really have to go east of the mississippi. Army wont really have to go west of the mississippi, more bowl options, five games of their 12 game season set every year.

We share tv revenue, helps some of the east geography, quality known ooc opponents. Win win for everybody, should increase tv revenue and adds a couple bowls into our rotation.

(09-22-2017 02:36 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Byu doesnt make sense right now by itself.

Add a schedule alliance with byu and army.

Byu plays three west teams one east. 7-5 record or better and they get put in the bowl pecking order. 6-6 they can be selected but last of aac teams.

Army plays three teams from the east, one from the west. 6-6 with a winning record vs the aac (navy will make it 5 games vs aac 10 out of 12 years) they are in the bowl pecking order, in front of byu in case of tied records. Under .500 they get absolute last after byu in case of tied records.

Both schools get more bowl opportunities, scheduling is solid and much easier. BYU still has plenty of room for p5 opponents and wont really have to go east of the mississippi. Army wont really have to go west of the mississippi, more bowl options, five games of their 12 game season set every year.

We share tv revenue, helps some of the east geography, quality known ooc opponents. Win win for everybody, should increase tv revenue and adds a couple bowls into our rotation.

ehhh.... I'd like it if they could see fit to go about 5 miles east of the Mississippi...

(09-22-2017 02:40 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  [quote='TU4ever' pid='14607442' dateline='1506108997']
Byu doesnt make sense right now by itself.

Add a schedule alliance with byu and army.

Byu plays three west teams one east. 7-5 record or better and they get put in the bowl pecking order. 6-6 they can be selected but last of aac teams.

Army plays three teams from the east, one from the west. 6-6 with a winning record vs the aac (navy will make it 5 games vs aac 10 out of 12 years) they are in the bowl pecking order, in front of byu in case of tied records. Under .500 they get absolute last after byu in case of tied records.

Both schools get more bowl opportunities, scheduling is solid and much easier. BYU still has plenty of room for p5 opponents and wont really have to go east of the mississippi. Army wont really have to go west of the mississippi, more bowl options, five games of their 12 game season set every year.

We share tv revenue, helps some of the east geography, quality known ooc opponents. Win win for everybody, should increase tv revenue and adds a couple bowls into our rotation.

I like it, although I think both BYU and Army like to play all over the country. I'd rather see a 2/2 East/West split instead of a 3/1. Give everyone an equal opportunity to play both schools.

(09-22-2017 02:40 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:36 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Byu doesnt make sense right now by itself.

Add a schedule alliance with byu and army.

Byu plays three west teams one east. 7-5 record or better and they get put in the bowl pecking order. 6-6 they can be selected but last of aac teams.

Army plays three teams from the east, one from the west. 6-6 with a winning record vs the aac (navy will make it 5 games vs aac 10 out of 12 years) they are in the bowl pecking order, in front of byu in case of tied records. Under .500 they get absolute last after byu in case of tied records.

Both schools get more bowl opportunities, scheduling is solid and much easier. BYU still has plenty of room for p5 opponents and wont really have to go east of the mississippi. Army wont really have to go west of the mississippi, more bowl options, five games of their 12 game season set every year.

We share tv revenue, helps some of the east geography, quality known ooc opponents. Win win for everybody, should increase tv revenue and adds a couple bowls into our rotation.

ehhh.... I'd like it if they could see fit to go about 5 miles east of the Mississippi...

I know memphis is east of the mississippi, thats why i said really. I was counting memphis as west even though strictly speaking it isnt. One game against navy 1 out of four years and one game against the east every other year isn't awful on travel. The reverse is true for army for travel purposes, they are going west every other year except when they finally get to navy as part of the rotation.

(09-22-2017 02:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:40 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  [quote='TU4ever' pid='14607442' dateline='1506108997']
Byu doesnt make sense right now by itself.

Add a schedule alliance with byu and army.

Byu plays three west teams one east. 7-5 record or better and they get put in the bowl pecking order. 6-6 they can be selected but last of aac teams.

Army plays three teams from the east, one from the west. 6-6 with a winning record vs the aac (navy will make it 5 games vs aac 10 out of 12 years) they are in the bowl pecking order, in front of byu in case of tied records. Under .500 they get absolute last after byu in case of tied records.

Both schools get more bowl opportunities, scheduling is solid and much easier. BYU still has plenty of room for p5 opponents and wont really have to go east of the mississippi. Army wont really have to go west of the mississippi, more bowl options, five games of their 12 game season set every year.

We share tv revenue, helps some of the east geography, quality known ooc opponents. Win win for everybody, should increase tv revenue and adds a couple bowls into our rotation.

I like it, although I think both BYU and Army like to play all over the country. I'd rather see a 2/2 East/West split instead of a 3/1. Give everyone an equal opportunity to play both schools.

That increases travel signifigantly for the aac members. The east will see byu 1 every 6 years as a home game, the west 1 every 4 years. So its 4/24 years or 6/24 years not a huge gain in appearences but a lot in traveling cost. It also means army will have navy as its aac opponent more often.

(09-22-2017 10:16 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I'd go to ESPN and see what the numbers would be if we added Boise State and San Diego State. I'd imagine those two would bring the most, as they were the two the Big East had originally invited. If the increase makes it worthwhile from a travel standpoint, go for it.

EAST
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Memphis
South Florida
Temple
UCF

WEST
Boise State
Houston
Navy/Wichita State
San Diego State
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa

I'd take this.

(09-22-2017 04:33 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:16 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I'd go to ESPN and see what the numbers would be if we added Boise State and San Diego State. I'd imagine those two would bring the most, as they were the two the Big East had originally invited. If the increase makes it worthwhile from a travel standpoint, go for it.

EAST
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Memphis
South Florida
Temple
UCF

WEST
Boise State
Houston
Navy/Wichita State
San Diego State
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa

I'd take this.

I already told you they can be in the east with cincy, pretty sure smu and tulsa are not interested in 2 am finishes. Houston i would think as well though they never experienced the wac. You're ok with it because nothing changes for cincy except they have a closer division game. No conference is going from new orleans to the pacific coast and from houston to damn near the canadian line, much less a division.

(09-22-2017 04:38 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:33 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:16 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I'd go to ESPN and see what the numbers would be if we added Boise State and San Diego State. I'd imagine those two would bring the most, as they were the two the Big East had originally invited. If the increase makes it worthwhile from a travel standpoint, go for it.

EAST
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Memphis
South Florida
Temple
UCF

WEST
Boise State
Houston
Navy/Wichita State
San Diego State
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa

I'd take this.

I already told you they can be in the east with cincy, pretty sure smu and tulsa are not interested in 2 am finishes. Houston i would think as well though they never experienced the wac. You're ok with it because nothing changes for cincy except they have a closer division game. No conference is going from new orleans to the pacific coast and from houston to damn near the canadianorleans, much less a division.

Actually s.o.b. that division goes from maryland to the pacific coast. At least if we do that ship navy to the east not memphis. I mean come on though a coast to coast, border to border division? Thats not even possible without sec/big10 money.

Only one out there I would possibly want is BYU, so no Byu, no additions period. I am not even sure I want them.

There's only one Pacific time team in my proposal, so you'd only have to worry about 2am finishes once every other season.

(09-22-2017 04:44 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually s.o.b. that division goes from maryland to the pacific coast. At least if we do that ship navy to the east not memphis. I mean come on though a coast to coast, border to border division? Thats not even possible without sec/big10 money.

Except that one of the poorest schools in the world is playing in the WAC from Chicago. Plus, the name 'American' was chosen because it would allow for nationwide geography without sounding weird.

(09-22-2017 04:46 PM)Chappy Wrote:  There's only one Pacific time team in my proposal, so you'd only have to worry about 2am finishes once every other season.

Yes because that moutain time zone is so much better.

Also that division has teams in every timezone.

Navy to san diego is 2,700+ miles

New orleans to boise is 2,100+

Houston to boise is 1,800+

New orleans to san diego 1,800+

Tulsa to san diego 1,450+

Dallas to san diego 1,350+

Dallas to boise 1,600+

Tulsa to boise 1,500+

Navy to boise 2,400+

(09-22-2017 04:47 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:44 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually s.o.b. that division goes from maryland to the pacific coast. At least if we do that ship navy to the east not memphis. I mean come on though a coast to coast, border to border division? Thats not even possible without sec/big10 money.

Except that one of the poorest schools in the world is playing in the WAC from Chicago. Plus, the name 'American' was chosen because it would allow for nationwide geography without sounding weird.

Except thats olympic sports and not 85+ football team and support, coaches, athletics, trainers, etc.

I would also say there is a reason that school is so poor, probably for making bad decisions, like being in the wac and located in chicago.

(09-22-2017 04:47 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:44 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually s.o.b. that division goes from maryland to the pacific coast. At least if we do that ship navy to the east not memphis. I mean come on though a coast to coast, border to border division? Thats not even possible without sec/big10 money.

Except that one of the poorest schools in the world is playing in the WAC from Chicago. Plus, the name 'American' was chosen because it would allow for nationwide geography without sounding weird.

Also the wac is a dead conference walking, probably from making bad decisions, like having a poor school in chicago as a member.

(09-22-2017 04:56 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:47 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:44 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually s.o.b. that division goes from maryland to the pacific coast. At least if we do that ship navy to the east not memphis. I mean come on though a coast to coast, border to border division? Thats not even possible without sec/big10 money.

Except that one of the poorest schools in the world is playing in the WAC from Chicago. Plus, the name 'American' was chosen because it would allow for nationwide geography without sounding weird.

Except thats olympic sports and not 85+ football team and support, coaches, athletics, trainers, etc.

I would also say there is a reason that school is so poor, probably for making bad decisions, like being in the wac and located in chicago.

Olympic sports is the hard part. Football is easy since you've only got 4 road conference games per season.

(09-22-2017 04:54 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:46 PM)Chappy Wrote:  There's only one Pacific time team in my proposal, so you'd only have to worry about 2am finishes once every other season.

Yes because that moutain time zone is so much better.

Also that division has teams in every timezone.

Navy to san diego is 2,700+ miles

New orleans to boise is 2,100+

Houston to boise is 1,800+

New orleans to san diego 1,800+

Tulsa to san diego 1,450+

Dallas to san diego 1,350+

Dallas to boise 1,600+

Tulsa to boise 1,500+

Navy to boise 2,400+

You guys have a great thing going. You are in two time zones with regional rivalries. Mostly Tier 1 universitiies. Heavy institutional investing. Play the long game. Stay the course. Go to 14 or 16 in the same two time zones in 5 to 7 years if needed with like universities. Right now you're a fun league.

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(09-22-2017 09:19 AM)tharmon15 Wrote:  I think Western Kentucky could be a good team to add. They have had a solid program for a few years now, and I think they are in a good location for recruiting to keep a winning program.

Thanks for the vote of confidence! This season will be a rebuilding one though, and couple that with our wkcc reputation I think makes us a good backfill option but not a great expansion candidate.

(09-22-2017 05:58 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:56 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:47 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 04:44 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually s.o.b. that division goes from maryland to the pacific coast. At least if we do that ship navy to the east not memphis. I mean come on though a coast to coast, border to border division? Thats not even possible without sec/big10 money.

Except that one of the poorest schools in the world is playing in the WAC from Chicago. Plus, the name 'American' was chosen because it would allow for nationwide geography without sounding weird.

Except thats olympic sports and not 85+ football team and support, coaches, athletics, trainers, etc.

I would also say there is a reason that school is so poor, probably for making bad decisions, like being in the wac and located in chicago.

Olympic sports is the hard part. Football is easy since you've only got 4 road conference games per season.

Umm, you have no idea what costs are to run division 1 football. 85 scholarships/players plus key walk ons, coaches, trainers, team support/managers, sometimes tutors and academic support, etc. Moving them all across country, multiple nights out. Vs moving 13 basketball players and extras (which are way fewer than football) what 20 baseball players? 12 rowers? 20 soccer players. Just the size of the team causes travel issues. Hell chicago can load up their baseball team on a bus and drive if they have too. Try doing that with football team and all their equiptment. I listed the road trips in the division alone and you are looking at 1400 as the closest to bsu or sdsu. The west dream will only work if you fill in the remaining space with afa, colo st, new mexico, byu, wyoming types. Which would change the entire conference dynamics and relationships.

1400 miles. Hell ecu is closer to any western division team then that. And even going from storrs to the florida twins is hundreds of miles less and way easier.

Not Boise

Virginia

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