Coca-Cola, that is.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brigham-young...38967.html

This is actually realignment related, albeit tangentially. Is this a slippery slope? What's next? 5-Hour Energy? Red Bull? COFFEE???

Seriously, though, if BYU lightens up enough, maybe a power conference wouldn't consider them such a liability.

The number of honor-violations by students tattling on heathens... errr... other students is probably more than the average person thinks.

Well this kind of Coke would be OK for Mormons to drink

http://www.coca-colaproductfacts.com/en/...coca-cola/

Coca-Cola has had pouring rights on campus for years They had to nudge a bit.

Energy drinks which Coca-Cola has distribution of such as Monster, NoS, and Full Throttle won't be sold.

This is good news for students. I've never liked the absence of caffeinated beverages from on campus shops or in cafeterias (though I never lived on campus without my own kitchen--some dorm buildings have cafeterias and others are apartment-style). There was never a prohibition on any sodas or energy drinks on campus--you just couldn't buy them there unless you went with one of the "caffeine-free" sodas or product versions. The claim was always that "there is no demand among the students" but I never believed that. Maybe it wasn't important because most just had their own drinks from their apartment and don't eat on campus or something. I think it was a big rub at events like football/basketball where large numbers of fans are coming on campus and flinching at only caffeine free beverage choices.

BYU has actually made several significant changes to their policies and honor code over the past year or so to deal with situations where it has had negative impacts on people, or was weird for no particular reason:
- Amnesty for honor code violations (like alcohol or drug use) when reporting crimes like rape (previously there was no amnesty clause but this was recommended and adopted after study)
- Addressing ecclesiastical endorsement for students who have no religious affiliation or dropped their affiliation after being accepted into school (previously with no accommodations for this circumstance, those individuals struggled to stay in good standing with the university when the ecclesiastical endorsement renewal was due)
- Selling caffeinated beverages on campus (avoid weirdness for no reason. This was originally adopted in the mid-1950s and they claim there was never many requests for changes until lately. They insist the decision to change was not financial or related to their contract with Coca-Cola.)

None of those changes are going to do anything to hurt their case to join a P5 league--and in my view are the right moves--though it doesn't appear there are any league changes in the near future.

(09-22-2017 01:00 PM)f1do Wrote:  This is good news for students. I've never liked the absence of caffeinated beverages from on campus shops or in cafeterias (though I never lived on campus without my own kitchen--some dorm buildings have cafeterias and others are apartment-style). There was never a prohibition on any sodas or energy drinks on campus--you just couldn't buy them there unless you went with one of the "caffeine-free" sodas or product versions. The claim was always that "there is no demand among the students" but I never believed that. Maybe it wasn't important because most just had their own drinks from their apartment and don't eat on campus or something. I think it was a big rub at events like football/basketball where large numbers of fans are coming on campus and flinching at only caffeine free beverage choices.

BYU has actually made several significant changes to their policies and honor code over the past year or so to deal with situations where it has had negative impacts on people, or was weird for no particular reason:
- Amnesty for honor code violations (like alcohol or drug use) when reporting crimes like rape (previously there was no amnesty clause but this was recommended and adopted after study)
- Addressing ecclesiastical endorsement for students who have no religious affiliation or dropped their affiliation after being accepted into school (previously with no accommodations for this circumstance, those individuals struggled to stay in good standing with the university when the ecclesiastical endorsement renewal was due)
- Selling caffeinated beverages on campus (avoid weirdness for no reason. This was originally adopted in the mid-1950s and they claim there was never many requests for changes until lately. They insist the decision to change was not financial or related to their contract with Coca-Cola.)

None of those changes are going to do anything to hurt their case to join a P5 league--and in my view are the right moves--though it doesn't appear there are any league changes in the near future.

My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

(09-22-2017 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 01:00 PM)f1do Wrote:  This is good news for students. I've never liked the absence of caffeinated beverages from on campus shops or in cafeterias (though I never lived on campus without my own kitchen--some dorm buildings have cafeterias and others are apartment-style). There was never a prohibition on any sodas or energy drinks on campus--you just couldn't buy them there unless you went with one of the "caffeine-free" sodas or product versions. The claim was always that "there is no demand among the students" but I never believed that. Maybe it wasn't important because most just had their own drinks from their apartment and don't eat on campus or something. I think it was a big rub at events like football/basketball where large numbers of fans are coming on campus and flinching at only caffeine free beverage choices.

BYU has actually made several significant changes to their policies and honor code over the past year or so to deal with situations where it has had negative impacts on people, or was weird for no particular reason:
- Amnesty for honor code violations (like alcohol or drug use) when reporting crimes like rape (previously there was no amnesty clause but this was recommended and adopted after study)
- Addressing ecclesiastical endorsement for students who have no religious affiliation or dropped their affiliation after being accepted into school (previously with no accommodations for this circumstance, those individuals struggled to stay in good standing with the university when the ecclesiastical endorsement renewal was due)
- Selling caffeinated beverages on campus (avoid weirdness for no reason. This was originally adopted in the mid-1950s and they claim there was never many requests for changes until lately. They insist the decision to change was not financial or related to their contract with Coca-Cola.)

None of those changes are going to do anything to hurt their case to join a P5 league--and in my view are the right moves--though it doesn't appear there are any league changes in the near future.

My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

I think you misunderstood their policy. It wasn't a don't ask to "tell" policy. It was a don't ask don't "tail" policy.

(09-22-2017 01:00 PM)f1do Wrote:  This is good news for students. I've never liked the absence of caffeinated beverages from on campus shops or in cafeterias (though I never lived on campus without my own kitchen--some dorm buildings have cafeterias and others are apartment-style). There was never a prohibition on any sodas or energy drinks on campus--you just couldn't buy them there unless you went with one of the "caffeine-free" sodas or product versions. The claim was always that "there is no demand among the students" but I never believed that. Maybe it wasn't important because most just had their own drinks from their apartment and don't eat on campus or something. I think it was a big rub at events like football/basketball where large numbers of fans are coming on campus and flinching at only caffeine free beverage choices.

BYU has actually made several significant changes to their policies and honor code over the past year or so to deal with situations where it has had negative impacts on people, or was weird for no particular reason:
- Amnesty for honor code violations (like alcohol or drug use) when reporting crimes like rape (previously there was no amnesty clause but this was recommended and adopted after study)
- Addressing ecclesiastical endorsement for students who have no religious affiliation or dropped their affiliation after being accepted into school (previously with no accommodations for this circumstance, those individuals struggled to stay in good standing with the university when the ecclesiastical endorsement renewal was due)
- Selling caffeinated beverages on campus (avoid weirdness for no reason. This was originally adopted in the mid-1950s and they claim there was never many requests for changes until lately. They insist the decision to change was not financial or related to their contract with Coca-Cola.)

None of those changes are going to do anything to hurt their case to join a P5 league--and in my view are the right moves--though it doesn't appear there are any league changes in the near future.

you guys cant drink caffeine?

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(09-22-2017 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

You've beat this drum before--about how the school encourages tattling. I was never "encouraged" to rat anyone out in all the time I was there. If your wife was into the drinking and sleeping around scene, it makes one wonder why she went there in the first place knowing the honor code--which you have to sign as part of acceptance to the school. Just sayin....

(09-22-2017 10:49 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 01:00 PM)f1do Wrote:  This is good news for students. I've never liked the absence of caffeinated beverages from on campus shops or in cafeterias (though I never lived on campus without my own kitchen--some dorm buildings have cafeterias and others are apartment-style). There was never a prohibition on any sodas or energy drinks on campus--you just couldn't buy them there unless you went with one of the "caffeine-free" sodas or product versions. The claim was always that "there is no demand among the students" but I never believed that. Maybe it wasn't important because most just had their own drinks from their apartment and don't eat on campus or something. I think it was a big rub at events like football/basketball where large numbers of fans are coming on campus and flinching at only caffeine free beverage choices.

BYU has actually made several significant changes to their policies and honor code over the past year or so to deal with situations where it has had negative impacts on people, or was weird for no particular reason:
- Amnesty for honor code violations (like alcohol or drug use) when reporting crimes like rape (previously there was no amnesty clause but this was recommended and adopted after study)
- Addressing ecclesiastical endorsement for students who have no religious affiliation or dropped their affiliation after being accepted into school (previously with no accommodations for this circumstance, those individuals struggled to stay in good standing with the university when the ecclesiastical endorsement renewal was due)
- Selling caffeinated beverages on campus (avoid weirdness for no reason. This was originally adopted in the mid-1950s and they claim there was never many requests for changes until lately. They insist the decision to change was not financial or related to their contract with Coca-Cola.)

None of those changes are going to do anything to hurt their case to join a P5 league--and in my view are the right moves--though it doesn't appear there are any league changes in the near future.

you guys cant drink caffeine?

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Is that what you read in that story? (root beer of course!)

(09-25-2017 08:21 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

You've beat this drum before--about how the school encourages tattling. I was never "encouraged" to rat anyone out in all the time I was there. If your wife was into the drinking and sleeping around scene, it makes one wonder why she went there in the first place knowing the honor code--which you have to sign as part of acceptance to the school. Just sayin....

Also makes you wonder why he married her. Then again, he may well have had a similar lifestyle. Just saying.

(09-25-2017 08:21 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

You've beat this drum before--about how the school encourages tattling. I was never "encouraged" to rat anyone out in all the time I was there. If your wife was into the drinking and sleeping around scene, it makes one wonder why she went there in the first place knowing the honor code--which you have to sign as part of acceptance to the school. Just sayin....

My ex-wife didn't sleep around at all through college. She didn't even really drink. She went there because she was offered an athletic scholarship. She took it. She was told about the Honor Code and she agreed to it and (for the most part) obeyed it. However, a few of her friends got into serious trouble for what most of us would consider normal college behavior. Not illegal behavior. I won't get into the details but the way the "investigation" into said behavior/activity took place was really alarming. People asked to give details on others, and sort of voyeuristic "investigators" wanting to know the whole truth about what happened. I grew up watching BYU play in big games and the Holiday Bowls etc. and loved their style of play and QB's. In Iowa, I didn't know a single Mormon. I didn't know there was an Honor Code or what it meant. The same for her. I guess shame on her for going to a school and not fully understanding what she signed up for but my point is that it could have happened to a lot of us who don't understand BYU culture. Is that a fair way to put it?

(09-25-2017 09:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:21 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

You've beat this drum before--about how the school encourages tattling. I was never "encouraged" to rat anyone out in all the time I was there. If your wife was into the drinking and sleeping around scene, it makes one wonder why she went there in the first place knowing the honor code--which you have to sign as part of acceptance to the school. Just sayin....

Also makes you wonder why he married her. Then again, he may well have had a similar lifestyle. Just saying.

whoa....what the heck is that supposed to mean? I grew up in a conservative middle class Lutheran home in eastern Iowa. She had a similar upbringing, only in Colorado. I've had a successful life with a lot of good experiences and lived in a lot places. Graduated college and served in the military along the way. Seriously, what are you insinuating? Just say it.

(09-25-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 09:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:21 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

You've beat this drum before--about how the school encourages tattling. I was never "encouraged" to rat anyone out in all the time I was there. If your wife was into the drinking and sleeping around scene, it makes one wonder why she went there in the place knowing the honor code--which you have to sign as part of acceptance to the school. Just sayin....

Also makes you wonder why he married her. Then again, he may well have had a similar lifestyle. Just saying.

whoa....what the heck is that supposed to mean? I grew up in a conservative middle class Lutheran home in eastern Iowa. She had a similar upbringing, only in Colorado. I've had a successful life with a lot of good experiences and lived in a lot places. Graduated college and served in the military along the way. Seriously, what are you insinuating? Just say it.

Yes, I think we should stay away from personal comments on the boards. If anyone feels they must, PM that person or say nothing. I don't think there was any ill-intent here, there has just been enough.

(09-25-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 09:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:21 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  My ex-wife played a year of soccer at BYU, she loved Dr Pepper. That was not the problem.
It was the Honor Code: no drinking, no sexual activity, and other people actually tattling on those who did was the problem. The school encouraged others to rat out those who weren't living right. She ended up transferring out. I always felt sorry for the non-LDS kids....heard some very odd stories from her.

You've beat this drum before--about how the school encourages tattling. I was never "encouraged" to rat anyone out in all the time I was there. If your wife was into the drinking and sleeping around scene, it makes one wonder why she went there in the first place knowing the honor code--which you have to sign as part of acceptance to the school. Just sayin....

Also makes you wonder why he married her. Then again, he may well have had a similar lifestyle. Just saying.

whoa....what the heck is that supposed to mean? I grew up in a conservative middle class Lutheran home in eastern Iowa. She had a similar upbringing, only in Colorado. I've had a successful life with a lot of good experiences and lived in a lot places. Graduated college and served in the military along the way. Seriously, what are you insinuating? Just say it.

He insinuated your wife was a ho.

But at least you only have one.

(09-25-2017 09:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 08:21 PM)f1do Wrote:  it makes one wonder why she went there in the first place knowing the honor code--which you have to sign as part of acceptance to the school. Just sayin....

She went there because she was offered an athletic scholarship. She took it. She was told about the Honor Code and she agreed to it and (for the most part) obeyed it.... I guess shame on her for going to a school and not fully understanding what she signed up for but my point is that it could have happened to a lot of us who don't understand BYU culture. Is that a fair way to put it?

I wouldn't say shame on her, but I would say Caveat Emptor or something like it.

I know a lawyer who grew up in a nominally Catholic, practically agnostic background in Upstate New York. She'd be about 40 years old now; politically liberal. She went to Baylor despite having no family (or otherwise) connections to Texas, the South, or Baptists in general. I think she basically just wanted to have an adventure far away from home. She told me (years later) that she was absolutely shocked at how conservative and religious Baylor was 20 years ago. Just had no idea what she was getting into. Nobody told her and she didn't ask until she was already enrolled. She stuck it out and actually feels -- Overall -- mostly positive about her time there. But she freely admits she wouldn't have gone there if she'd done her homework ahead of time. Maybe billybobby's ex had a similar dynamic in choosing Provo.