(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 11:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  If both win out we lose on computer rankings.

Actually it is higher ranked in the CFP selection poll.

Yeah, I can see us being ranked higher in the CFP poll when it comes out. They don't just rubber-stamp the AP and Coaches' polls. They do their own homework. Plus, what about our SOS vs. theirs? We play Houston, Tulsa, and UCF. Do they?

They play Houston and UCF, but not Navy.

Their best OOC game was vs. Illinois, who is pretty crummy. Obviously, they have a head start on the ranking, but the pollsters will sometimes drop teams for unimpressive wins--especially vs. crummy teams.

So, if USF has a clunker win vs., say, UConn that can slow their rise in the polls.

The bright side is that if the game is at Raymond James, the home field advantage won't be much of an advantage.

Human element is still in play with the polls. If USF does not lose it will make it harder for the voters to put us in the polls. A 1 loss and maybe even 2 loss P5 school could jump us in the polls. Pollsters have a bias toward P5 conferences and unless we go deep into the season undefeated we will still find it difficult to get much higher than the 20-25 range if we make it that high. USF would have to make it top 10 before they would be comfortable to put two AAC teams into top 20.

First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

And even last year, both Navy and Houston were in the CFP Rankings as late as week 14.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/ran...asontype/2

ouch

#saloogied

(09-22-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 11:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Actually it is higher ranked in the CFP selection poll.

Yeah, I can see us being ranked higher in the CFP poll when it comes out. They don't just rubber-stamp the AP and Coaches' polls. They do their own homework. Plus, what about our SOS vs. theirs? We play Houston, Tulsa, and UCF. Do they?

They play Houston and UCF, but not Navy.

Their best OOC game was vs. Illinois, who is pretty crummy. Obviously, they have a head start on the ranking, but the pollsters will sometimes drop teams for unimpressive wins--especially vs. crummy teams.

So, if USF has a clunker win vs., say, UConn that can slow their rise in the polls.

The bright side is that if the game is at Raymond James, the home field advantage won't be much of an advantage.

Human element is still in play with the polls. If USF does not lose it will make it harder for the voters to put us in the polls. A 1 loss and maybe even 2 loss P5 school could jump us in the polls. Pollsters have a bias toward P5 conferences and unless we go deep into the season undefeated we will still find it difficult to get much higher than the 20-25 range if we make it that high. USF would have to make it top 10 before they would be comfortable to put two AAC teams into top 20.

First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

Actually 4 from AAC, which further proves your point - Navy, Memphis, Temple & Houston.

Just win games, polls will take care of themselves.

(09-22-2017 04:02 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 11:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yeah, I can see us being ranked higher in the CFP poll when it comes out. They don't just rubber-stamp the AP and Coaches' polls. They do their own homework. Plus, what about our SOS vs. theirs? We play Houston, Tulsa, and UCF. Do they?

They play Houston and UCF, but not Navy.

Their best OOC game was vs. Illinois, who is pretty crummy. Obviously, they have a head start on the ranking, but the pollsters will sometimes drop teams for unimpressive wins--especially vs. crummy teams.

So, if USF has a clunker win vs., say, UConn that can slow their rise in the polls.

The bright side is that if the game is at Raymond James, the home field advantage won't be much of an advantage.

Human element is still in play with the polls. If USF does not lose it will make it harder for the voters to put us in the polls. A 1 loss and maybe even 2 loss P5 school could jump us in the polls. Pollsters have a bias toward P5 conferences and unless we go deep into the season undefeated we will still find it difficult to get much higher than the 20-25 range if we make it that high. USF would have to make it top 10 before they would be comfortable to put two AAC teams into top 20.

First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

Actually 4 from AAC, which further proves your point - Navy, Memphis, Temple & Houston.

Just win games, polls will take care of themselves.

Good call, after last night's game vs. USF I forgot Temple still had a football team.

Temple had 33 rushes for -4 yds and 6 turnovers.

(09-22-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 11:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Actually it is higher ranked in the CFP selection poll.

Yeah, I can see us being ranked higher in the CFP poll when it comes out. They don't just rubber-stamp the AP and Coaches' polls. They do their own homework. Plus, what about our SOS vs. theirs? We play Houston, Tulsa, and UCF. Do they?

They play Houston and UCF, but not Navy.

Their best OOC game was vs. Illinois, who is pretty crummy. Obviously, they have a head start on the ranking, but the pollsters will sometimes drop teams for unimpressive wins--especially vs. crummy teams.

So, if USF has a clunker win vs., say, UConn that can slow their rise in the polls.

The bright side is that if the game is at Raymond James, the home field advantage won't be much of an advantage.

Human element is still in play with the polls. If USF does not lose it will make it harder for the voters to put us in the polls. A 1 loss and maybe even 2 loss P5 school could jump us in the polls. Pollsters have a bias toward P5 conferences and unless we go deep into the season undefeated we will still find it difficult to get much higher than the 20-25 range if we make it that high. USF would have to make it top 10 before they would be comfortable to put two AAC teams into top 20.

First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

So Tigers are currently ranked higher than USF in the rankings.

Interesting claim since the first playoff ranking has not been released yet this year. And will not be released until Nov 1st 2017. If you are able to know where each team is located in the playoff ranking over a month ahead of of when the first poll is released i think we should all load up and head to Vegas.

Any idea what next weeks power ball numbers will be????

(09-23-2017 10:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 11:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yeah, I can see us being ranked higher in the CFP poll when it comes out. They don't just rubber-stamp the AP and Coaches' polls. They do their own homework. Plus, what about our SOS vs. theirs? We play Houston, Tulsa, and UCF. Do they?

They play Houston and UCF, but not Navy.

Their best OOC game was vs. Illinois, who is pretty crummy. Obviously, they have a head start on the ranking, but the pollsters will sometimes drop teams for unimpressive wins--especially vs. crummy teams.

So, if USF has a clunker win vs., say, UConn that can slow their rise in the polls.

The bright side is that if the game is at Raymond James, the home field advantage won't be much of an advantage.

Human element is still in play with the polls. If USF does not lose it will make it harder for the voters to put us in the polls. A 1 loss and maybe even 2 loss P5 school could jump us in the polls. Pollsters have a bias toward P5 conferences and unless we go deep into the season undefeated we will still find it difficult to get much higher than the 20-25 range if we make it that high. USF would have to make it top 10 before they would be comfortable to put two AAC teams into top 20.

First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

Interesting claim since the first playoff ranking have not been released yet this year. And will not be released until Nov 1st 2017. If you are able to know where each team is located in the playoff ranking over a month ahead of of when the first poll is released i think we should all load up and head to Vegas.

Any idea what next weeks power ball numbers will be????

Good lord, man.

(09-23-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 11:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  They play Houston and UCF, but not Navy.

Their best OOC game was vs. Illinois, who is pretty crummy. Obviously, they have a head start on the ranking, but the pollsters will sometimes drop teams for unimpressive wins--especially vs. crummy teams.

So, if USF has a clunker win vs., say, UConn that can slow their rise in the polls.

The bright side is that if the game is at Raymond James, the home field advantage won't be much of an advantage.

Human element is still in play with the polls. If USF does not lose it will make it harder for the voters to put us in the polls. A 1 loss and maybe even 2 loss P5 school could jump us in the polls. Pollsters have a bias toward P5 conferences and unless we go deep into the season undefeated we will still find it difficult to get much higher than the 20-25 range if we make it that high. USF would have to make it top 10 before they would be comfortable to put two AAC teams into top 20.

First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

Interesting claim since the first playoff ranking have not been released yet this year. And will not be released until Nov 1st 2017. If you are able to know where each team is located in the playoff ranking over a month ahead of of when the first poll is released i think we should all load up and head to Vegas.

Any idea what next weeks power ball numbers will be????

Good lord, man.

You are the one making the claim that the Tigers are currently ranked higher than USF even though the poll on which the access bowl bid will be determined has yet to come out this year. Just want to know how you know a month ahead of the first poll that the Tigers are ranked higher.

(09-21-2017 08:12 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:47 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  That's the nicest stadium I've ever been to.

USF has speed and quickness on both sides of the ball. Wearing Temple down.

Nicest stadium you've ever been to, #21 ranked team in the country, perfect weather, playing against a conference rival, a darkhorse Heisman trophy QB....15,000 (looks like a lot less than that to me) in attendance...

And some of our fans want to complain that we "only" had 46,000 last week

I saw #23 Utah at Arizona last night, "Power5" conference game, ranked opponent, and I don't think there was 10k there. Sure, it was an oddball Friday night game and their coach is supposedly on the hot seat, but still, that was pitiful. ESPN shows 36,651 attendance, but unless the camera shots were all of one side and the crowd was on the other, that has to be tickets sold. I didn't see it come on until just before half and wasn't really paying much attention, but the couple of stadium shots I saw I don't think had 3,000 people in them. Maybe the college football craze is fading in some parts of the country like NASCAR's did.

(09-23-2017 11:44 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Human element is still in play with the polls. If USF does not lose it will make it harder for the voters to put us in the polls. A 1 loss and maybe even 2 loss P5 school could jump us in the polls. Pollsters have a bias toward P5 conferences and unless we go deep into the season undefeated we will still find it difficult to get much higher than the 20-25 range if we make it that high. USF would have to make it top 10 before they would be comfortable to put two AAC teams into top 20.

First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

Interesting claim since the first playoff ranking have not been released yet this year. And will not be released until Nov 1st 2017. If you are able to know where each team is located in the playoff ranking over a month ahead of of when the first poll is released i think we should all load up and head to Vegas.

Any idea what next weeks power ball numbers will be????

Good lord, man.

You are the one making the claim that the Tigers are currently ranked higher than USF even though the poll on which the access bowl bid will be determined has yet to come out this year. Just want to know how you know a month ahead of the first poll that the Tigers are ranked higher.

I'll write slowly so you can understand.

1) You claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

--I provided a link to the AAC tiebreaker which shows the CFP poll (not computer ranking) is the tiebreaker.

2) When you first claimed that "computer rankings" were the tiebreaker, you claimed that Memphis wouldn't be able to jump USF in the computer rankings.

--I then told you that in the current Sagarin Computer Ranking, Memphis was already AHEAD of USF and still had a more challenging schedule ahead, so (on the premise both teams won out), it would be unlikely that USF would jump Memphis in the computer rankings.

3) You then, realizing the wrongness of your computer ranking statement, then claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the CFP polls because "they" wouldn't put two AAC teams in the rankings at the same time.

--So then I asked what historical basis you have for that claim. I supplied a link showing that both Navy and Houston were in the T25 of the CFP last year and also provided a screen grab of the CFP Poll from TWO Years ago in which FOUR AAC teams were ranked simultaneously--thus destroying your baseless claim that the CFP folks would be reticent to put two AAC teams in the poll at the same time.

USF needs an OCS as they have the room on campus coupled with recent football success...we're lucky the Liberty Bowl is so close to campus and that we get such a good deal on our rent.

Ray Jay is 10 miles from their campus.

(09-23-2017 12:07 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Ray Jay is 10 miles from their campus.

my map says 13.1 miles via 275 or 6x the distance we have to deal with here in Mempho.

My map said 10.1. Tampa is a lot bigger city that Memphis not to mention their stadium is 12x better and in south Florida. They win.

(09-23-2017 12:18 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  My map said 10.1. Tampa is a lot bigger city that Memphis not to mention their stadium is 12x better and in south Florida. They win.

if they win...and no ones comes to see it...did they really win?

I personally love the Liberty Bowl and I've attended USF vs Memphis games at both Ray Jay and the Sun Dome. (even did that MagicJack Bowl down there when we played USF)

They have averaged 40K fans in 69 games since 2005.

2 super bowls have been played there.

(09-23-2017 12:25 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  They have averaged 40K fans in 69 games since 2005.

2 super bowls have been played there.

when they declare 40k in attendance, but the stadium looks like this:



let's just say I question their accounting methodology.

Ray Jay is a VERY nice 65k stadium...but when you only put 20k in there it doesn't make for much of an atmosphere IMHO. (nothing says USF Bulls like red seats and a pirate ship)

(09-23-2017 12:00 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 11:44 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 02:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  First you claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

Then you claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the computer rankings--even though Memphis is AHEAD of USF in the rankings right now.

So you than claim that the AAC can't have two teams in the T25.

Based upon what historical proof? This is from two years ago. I count three teams in the T25 from the AAC.

Interesting claim since the first playoff ranking have not been released yet this year. And will not be released until Nov 1st 2017. If you are able to know where each team is located in the playoff ranking over a month ahead of of when the first poll is released i think we should all load up and head to Vegas.

Any idea what next weeks power ball numbers will be????

Good lord, man.

You are the one making the claim that the Tigers are currently ranked higher than USF even though the poll on which the access bowl bid will be determined has yet to come out this year. Just want to know how you know a month ahead of the first poll that the Tigers are ranked higher.

I'll write slowly so you can understand.

1) You claimed that the computer poll was the tiebreaker.

--I provided a link to the AAC tiebreaker which shows the CFP poll (not computer ranking) is the tiebreaker.

2) When you first claimed that "computer rankings" were the tiebreaker, you claimed that Memphis wouldn't be able to jump USF in the computer rankings.

--I then told you that in the current Sagarin Computer Ranking, Memphis was already AHEAD of USF and still had a more challenging schedule ahead, so (on the premise both teams won out), it would be unlikely that USF would jump Memphis in the computer rankings.

3) You then, realizing the wrongness of your computer ranking statement, then claimed Memphis couldn't catch USF in the CFP polls because "they" wouldn't put two AAC teams in the rankings at the same time.

--So then I asked what historical basis you have for that claim. I supplied a link showing that both Navy and Houston were in the T25 of the CFP last year and also provided a screen grab of the CFP Poll from TWO Years ago in which FOUR AAC teams were ranked simultaneously--thus destroying your baseless claim that the CFP folks would be reticent to put two AAC teams in the poll at the same time.

Try and muddy water all you want but you STILL STATED THAT THE TIGERS ARE CURRENTLY RANKED HIGHER THAN USF. And if they win out they will remain higher than than USF.

Which is impossible since the play off poll has not been released yet.


Also i NEVER claimed that the AAC could not have two team in top 25. If both win out then both teams will be in top 25. But Tigers MAY not make the top TWENTY, not the top 25, but top TWENTY. Which is possible due to P5 bias in voters polls.

You really should actually read what was said and not what you think was said.

(09-23-2017 08:20 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Temple had 33 rushes for -4 yds and 6 turnovers.

We hired the wrong coach.