(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

(09-21-2017 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What the hell is happening before cops draw their weapons that is cause this to happen?

Well, thanks to Obama emboldening the gutless cowards in BLM, cops are being ambushed, shot, killed, etc for no other reason than being a police officer. Thankfully, most of them stay vigilant and keep their weapons close by.

(09-21-2017 09:46 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.

Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?

Yeah, standing back and watching rioters and looters break the law.

see, we can agree.....

We agree on a lot. Even in both of ours dislike of Trump.

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What the hell is happening before cops draw their weapons that is cause this to happen?

Well, thanks to Obama emboldening the gutless cowards in BLM, cops are being ambushed, shot, killed, etc for no other reason than being a police officer. Thankfully, most of them stay vigilant and keep their weapons close by.

I see so this incident is Obama's fault?

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

So you think this man should not have his day in court? I mean you've already convicted him so why bother amirght?

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

The story doesn't mention any facts that would warrant their dismissal. Sadly, the deaf man approached them with a metal pipe and did not obey their commands (they didn't know that he was deaf) and they only shot him when when he got within a couple feet which is remarkable restraint. Typically if a person gets within 21 feet of law enforcement that is the zone where action is quicker than reaction, e.g. someone could run at and stab a cop before they could draw their weapon and fire in the 21 feet zone.

Id like to see the entire incident..but..off hand I question the use of deadly force in this case.

(09-21-2017 09:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What's more important? The life of a person or material possessions?

I don't know, why don't you ask the woman killed by a car in Virginia because the cops let things get out of control.

(09-21-2017 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.

Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?

Sure, but not in this case. The disabled man's dad is the one at fault. His gross negligence via the hit and run incident had unexpected consequences.

I realize what you are saying. At some point, the cops found themselves in a situation where they felt like they had no choice but to shoot.

What led them to that situation? What could have been done differently to avoid that situation? What information would have helped them approach that situation differently?

Don't do a hit and run with Daddy, then apporach the cops with a pipe strapped to your arm?

(09-21-2017 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What the hell is happening before cops draw their weapons that is cause this to happen?

Well, thanks to Obama emboldening the gutless cowards in BLM, cops are being ambushed, shot, killed, etc for no other reason than being a police officer. Thankfully, most of them stay vigilant and keep their weapons close by.

I see so this incident is Obama's fault?

I've read this board for quite a while. You really are one of the most ignorant people I've ever seen post on the internet. Not sure if you try to troll or just really that stupid

(09-21-2017 11:15 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

So you think this man should not have his day in court? I mean you've already convicted him so why bother amirght?

I convicted him? Where did I even say that he was guilty of anything?

All I said was that not everyone can be a cop.

(09-21-2017 11:21 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

The story doesn't mention any facts that would warrant their dismissal. Sadly, the deaf man approached them with a metal pipe and did not obey their commands (they didn't know that he was deaf) and they only shot him when when he got within a couple feet which is remarkable restraint. Typically if a person gets within 21 feet of law enforcement that is the zone where action is quicker than reaction, e.g. someone could run at and stab a cop before they could draw their weapon and fire in the 21 feet zone.

You are correct. We don't have all the facts. That is why I am asking questions bout what happened before the cops had to pull out their weapons.

So the guy was deaf? Maybe he just felt someone banging on the door and didn't hear the cops trying to inform him that they were police.

I know if someone was banging on my door, I might answer with a weapon in my hand too.

(09-21-2017 11:28 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Truly tragic. I don't fault the police in this, because they have no idea what this man was capable of. I hate to go there, but the ultimate root cause was this man's dad for breaking the law with a hit and run incident. If the dad stayed at the scene and owned up to his mistake at the get go, he never puts his disabled son in harms way.

Are the cops ever going to be at fault for anything?

Sure, but not in this case. The disabled man's dad is the one at fault. His gross negligence via the hit and run incident had unexpected consequences.

I realize what you are saying. At some point, the cops found themselves in a situation where they felt like they had no choice but to shoot.

What led them to that situation? What could have been done differently to avoid that situation? What information would have helped them approach that situation differently?

Don't do a hit and run with Daddy, then apporach the cops with a pipe strapped to your arm?

Got a link?

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

I will.

He should have never let the subject get to within two feet of him with a weapon in hand. He should be fired for that.

The shooting itself, however, is justified IMO.

(09-21-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

I will.

He should have never let the subject get to within two feet of him with a weapon in hand. He should be fired for that.

The shooting itself, however, is justified IMO.

Fair enough. That only took 4 pages but I'll take it.

(09-21-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

I will.

He should have never let the subject get to within two feet of him with a weapon in hand. He should be fired for that.

The shooting itself, however, is justified IMO.

How pro life of you. I wouldn't have even tased him. Pipe vs gun. This was an opportunity to practice my jujitsu.

(09-21-2017 12:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

I will.

He should have never let the subject get to within two feet of him with a weapon in hand. He should be fired for that.

The shooting itself, however, is justified IMO.

How pro life of you. I wouldn't have even tased him. Pipe vs gun. This was an opportunity to practice my jujitsu.

Tell you what.....get yourself a taser and I'll get a pipe and let's see how you feel about it after you get released from the hospital. Deal?

(09-21-2017 12:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:05 AM)HappyAppy Wrote:  I think the officer who shot the man should, at the very least, lose his job.

Being a police officer is a stressful, difficult, often thankless job. I get that. Police risk their lives to protect their communities, and I respect them for that.

Having said that, there is a ton of responsibility when you carry a gun and a badge.

The deaf, mentally disabled man was walking toward him with a pipe in his hand. Not charging him, not holding the pipe up like he was going to strike. The officer wasn't alone; he had a partner right there, ready to taze the guy. The neighbors were yelling to him that the man couldn't hear him.

I understand that the police have to make split second decisions. It's hard. Given everything I listed above, I don't want this guy in a position to make a decision like that again. It's a tragedy, and I'm sure this officer didn't want to shoot this guy, but I think he messed up here. He choked.

That doesn't mean he should be charged with murder (or even charged with anything). At the very least he shouldn't be in a position to do something like that again. There has to be atleast some discretion in situations like this before killing somebody.

I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

I will.

He should have never let the subject get to within two feet of him with a weapon in hand. He should be fired for that.

The shooting itself, however, is justified IMO.

How pro life of you. I wouldn't have even tased him. Pipe vs gun. This was an opportunity to practice my jujitsu.

Tell you what.....get yourself a taser and I'll get a pipe and let's see how you feel about it after you get released from the hospital. Deal?

The taser would be useless. That pipe also, as I shoot in for a little ground and pound action. You might be lucky to get one lick in.

If it was two on one, you'd really be in trouble.

(09-21-2017 01:00 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I agree. Not everyone can be a cop. Maybe this guy shouldn't be one.

What blows me away is that people on this forum wanted a teacher fired for making a kid change his shirt.

This guy kills a disabled man and not one of them calls for his job.

I will.

He should have never let the subject get to within two feet of him with a weapon in hand. He should be fired for that.

The shooting itself, however, is justified IMO.

How pro life of you. I wouldn't have even tased him. Pipe vs gun. This was an opportunity to practice my jujitsu.

Tell you what.....get yourself a taser and I'll get a pipe and let's see how you feel about it after you get released from the hospital. Deal?

The taser would be useless. That pipe also, as I shoot in for a little ground and pound action. You might be lucky to get one lick in.

If it was two on one, you'd really be in trouble.

The only ground and pound you would be doing is pounding the ground looking for the chicklets I knocked out your mouth when you stupidly closed the distance.

People who studied martial arts often were bullied and picked on relentlessly as a child.