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There are some good MAC games this week, and I'm a bit surprised by the spreads. Miami v CMU currently has the Chips at a 2 point favorite. Even at home that seems odd to pick CMU. Ohio v EMU should be a very interesting game. Will be a test for the Hurons, who are at home, and are favored by 2. They should be inspired by the tens of hundreds of fans who will pack their bleachers with speckles here and there.

Toledo is at Miami (Fl), and the Canes are favored by 13. This is one of those games that the Rockets could put a scare in, and maybe pull an upset. They have the offense. Will be one I will try to watch.

Need the Canes to blow out Toledo. Could come back to help us if in November were are in contention for post season fodder. Also need USC and MSU to roll. I think USC wins ten games at least, MSU could be 8-9 win team they are much better than last years mess

(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Need the Canes to blow out Toledo. Could come back to help us if in November were are in contention for post season fodder. Also need USC and MSU to roll. I think USC wins ten games at least, MSU could be 8-9 win team they are much better than last years mess

I agree with you about USC, but don't see the love for MSU.

WMU's loss in East Lansing was more about what WMU did not do, than what MSU did....if that makes sense.

RBs wide open in the flat all day to create mismatches with MSU's soft LBs and we didn't take advantage of it? Too busy running between tackles with 9 in the box, and trying to force plays downfield to WRs dropping balls or running bad routes. Frey couldn't tackle Franklin in the open field without giving 2-3 yards after contact.

And Lester should have taken the personal foul penalty...let alone run a QB dive, with the QB under center, with 4 and inches.

The only thing MSU did was ride WMU's lack of execution and poor game plan. It was a WMU loss, not an MSU win.

(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Need the Canes to blow out Toledo.

No way, I always root for the MAC against P5 teams.

(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Need the Canes to blow out Toledo. Could come back to help us if in November were are in contention for post season fodder. Also need USC and MSU to roll. I think USC wins ten games at least, MSU could be 8-9 win team they are much better than last years mess

Don't know how that would help us, just makes the MAC look weak overall when 1 of our better teams gets blown out by a mediocre P5 team. What we need is Toledo's only loss to be us.

Quote:Miami v CMU currently has the Chips at a 2 point favorite. Even at home that seems odd to pick CMU.

Miami-OH's heartbroken over the crazy ending against Cinci at home last week, losing it in the end. Then going on the road to CMU. It affects teams, that's why they're not favored.

Quote: Ohio v EMU should be a very interesting game. Will be a test for the Hurons, who are at home, and are favored by 2.

Yeah, that game could go either way. Ohio hasn't been very impressive, but it's the beginning of the season. EMU wasn't impressive in their opener against a team throwing picks to give them a sizeable distance on the scoreboard... but EMU beat Rutgers & Ohio beat Kansas. The Pepsi Cans will have a true test that game. Flip a coin, IMO.

Quote:Toledo is at Miami (Fl), and the Canes are favored by 13. This is one of those games that the Rockets could put a scare in, and maybe pull an upset. They have the offense. Will be one I will try to watch.

Yeah, in some ways, it has MAC Upset written all over it. Maybe hyped a bit too much. Toledo doesn't have a suffocating D, although Tulsa's a team that's supposed to put up points. If Toledo had a good D with their O, I'd say an upset coming with Miami-FL only playing 1 game due to the hurricanes. But, the hurricanes are their mascot, and Toledo's D is not impressive. I think Toledo has a Good chance at beating the spread, being able to score on what their D gives up, but fall short -- unless Miami-FL turns it over a lot being rusty.

Quote:Need the Canes to blow out Toledo. Could come back to help us if in November were are in contention for post season fodder.

With 2L, it'd take quite a historical feat for us to be in the BCS bowl discussion. Don't even think about it at this point. It'd require the AAC to beat up on each other like last year, but even more... and MSU who went 3-9, to win the B1G + USC to win the P12... and Toledo TO BEAT MIAMI-FL... while NIU to beat SDSU (and SDSU & Boise to trade blows and each lose a conference game). Stuff like that. Ain't going to happen. No more than EMU going undefeated.

But Toledo beating Miami-FL makes our conference champ LOOK GOOD, no matter who they are. Just as NIU beating SDSU would too, and beating Nebraska Did. WMU & Toledo almost made our conference look bad on Saturday night after EMU, Ohio, and NIU each beat P5s. Thankfully, that came thru. If Miami-OH didn't screw up at the end (refs helped on that, I hear) to lose last minutes over Cinci -- that would have been one of the best MAC weeks.

Unless Miami is way over rated, I don't see a Toledo upset. Good offense, poor defense for the Rockets. Same as it's been for a while now - (remember WMU's 66 - 63 loss to them? Neither team could stop the other's offense).

IMO, a Toledo win would be best for the MAC and by extension, us.

Not MAC, but catching a little Temple at USF. USF is #21 and considered the frontrunner for the G5 New Years bowl.

Unless everyone is sitting on the camera side of the stadium, place looks empty.

(09-21-2017 06:55 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Not MAC, but catching a little Temple at USF. USF is #21 and considered the frontrunner for the G5 New Years bowl.

Unless everyone is sitting on the camera side of the stadium, place looks empty.

USF and Pitt need to build their own stadiums.

(09-21-2017 08:18 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:55 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Not MAC, but catching a little Temple at USF. USF is #21 and considered the frontrunner for the G5 New Years bowl.

Unless everyone is sitting on the camera side of the stadium, place looks empty.

USF and Pitt need to build their own stadiums.

I agree. I would hate it if we didn't play on campus. That is a big part of the whole football Saturday experience. And being in a Stadium that is way too big sucks too.

(09-22-2017 06:34 AM)brovol Wrote:  I agree. I would hate it if we didn't play on campus. That is a big part of the whole football Saturday experience. And being in a Stadium that is way too big sucks too.

Just ask EMU fans...

Some have short memories of selection '16.

Anyway, top G5 to date for Atlanta to date are USF, SDSU, Toledo. All will have their strength of schedule reviewed by late November. Who they beat, if lost to P5 how did that P5 do thru the season. If WMU can manage to win the MAC and USC, MSU are in contention for conference championships the Broncos will look pretty good in the eyes of Bowl committees.

(09-22-2017 09:27 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Some have short memories of selection '16.

Anyway, top G5 to date for Atlanta to date are USF, SDSU, Toledo. All will have their strength of schedule reviewed by late November. Who they beat, if lost to P5 how did that P5 do thru the season. If WMU can manage to win the MAC and USC, MSU are in contention for conference championships the Broncos will look pretty good in the eyes of Bowl committees.

We nearly didn't make the cut as an undefeated to go to the Cotton Bowl. We needed An Air Force win over 1 loss Boise state at the time as we were beating Toledo. If we run the table the rest of the way then we can be considered. USC should be a PAC12 contender. MSU will not contend for the division let alone the conference. They might be Bowl eligible, Iowa, Northwestern and Maryland no longer look like easy Ws as many Spartys were counting on. So even with 2 losses at P5 venues we can still get consideration, especially if Toledo can pull off an upset and/or go undefeated in MAC except for 11/24.

There is essentially no chance of an NY6 bowl happening for us at 2 losses, regardless of how MSU's and USC's seasons go.

(09-22-2017 02:15 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  There is essentially no chance of an NY6 bowl happening for us at 2 losses, regardless of how MSU's and USC's seasons go.

Correction.....there is ZERO chance, it's over.

I think they give some weight you've been there before, also that we had a massive fan base helps.
Having said that we'd have to win out.

(09-22-2017 02:15 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  There is essentially no chance of an NY6 bowl happening for us at 2 losses, regardless of how MSU's and USC's seasons go.

If we beat MSU there might be a conversation... at this point it's all about MACC and a bowl bid.

WMU, USC, and MSU could all win out... and we still won't get in.

But if we do win out I will be all satisfied regardless.

Quote:WMU, USC, and MSU could all win out... and we still won't get in.

We'd need help, yes. Last year we were undefeated and there was controversy about a 2L Navy taking us out (3L Temple took care of them for no qualms).

So us at 2L, granted about the best 2Ls one could have in that scenario -- but with ZERO P5 wins and being in the MAC -- it'd take something a big greater than MSU + USC both winning out the rest of the way... the AAC has a 3L team again, and not a dominant force (like Temple was last year), while we beat someone in the running in the MW that heeds their champion (like EMU beating Wyoming; NIU beating SDSU). All that would get us to be in the talks, but, unless said 3L MW & AAC chmp didn't beat a P5 team over 2W either, we still wouldn't get it.

Quote:If we run the table the rest of the way then we can be considered.

There's a Possibility we could be in the talks out of respect, but going neck and neck with the otherwise best G5? Fat chance. USC & MSU would have to win out... our conference would have to light it up OOC (go Toledo & NIU), South Florida, Houston, Memphis, and Navy would have to beat up on each other quite well bringing up a 3L winner with no big P5 win.

A MAC team with 2L + 0P5 wins... we'd need the level of help that isn't even worth considering or thinking about (until if/when crazy sh!t happens when the season's winding down).