They had to know for the last two years that these two individuals were probably gone. Especially after the Parsons debacle of a deal handcuffing them. Yet they sat on their hands and did not leverage either one of them as a trade for future pics. They were both individuals that could help other teams playoff pushes last year and therefore could have gotten us picks that would have helped to build a young nucleus. Randolph probably could have gotten a lottery pick and Tony Allyn definitely a first round pick. When is ownership going to understand that Chris Wallace Is out of his element in managing an NBA franchise? Yes he got Marc Gasol. talk about a blind squirrel getting a nut. Because we all know the circumstances on how the grizzlies got lucky in even getting him. Getting very tired of this as a fan.

(09-13-2017 05:31 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  They had to know for the last two years that these two individuals were probably gone. Especially after the Parsons debacle of a deal handcuffing them. Yet they sat on their hands and did not leverage either one of them as a trade for future pics. They were both individuals that could help other teams playoff pushes last year and therefore could have gotten us picks that would have helped to build a young nucleus. Randolph probably could have gotten a lottery pick and Tony Allyn definitely a first round pick. When is ownership going to understand that Chris Wallace Is out of his element in managing an NBA franchise? Yes he got Marc Gasol. talk about a blind squirrel getting a nut. Because we all know the circumstances on how the grizzlies got lucky in even getting him. Getting very tired of this as a fan.

I'm no fan of the Grizzlies FO, but there is no way Randolph or Allen would bring either of the assets you suggest. Zach will be lucky to have 2 years left to play, and Tony just signed for the veteran's minimum after looking for a team for 3 months. I didn't hear of any offers even close to what you say for either player. Also, how did the Grizzlies get lucky obtaining Marc? He was a 48th pick that was a throw-in player to complete the deal when Pau was traded. It's one of the few trades that I like that Wallace did. It also created the cap room to get Randolph. That wasn't luck.

I credit the FO for cobbling together a roster recently making and winning playoff games in the world's toughest basketball league and in an NBA small market.

(09-13-2017 05:31 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  They had to know for the last two years that these two individuals were probably gone. Especially after the Parsons debacle of a deal handcuffing them. Yet they sat on their hands and did not leverage either one of them as a trade for future pics. They were both individuals that could help other teams playoff pushes last year and therefore could have gotten us picks that would have helped to build a young nucleus. Randolph probably could have gotten a lottery pick and Tony Allyn definitely a first round pick. When is ownership going to understand that Chris Wallace Is out of his element in managing an NBA franchise? Yes he got Marc Gasol. talk about a blind squirrel getting a nut. Because we all know the circumstances on how the grizzlies got lucky in even getting him. Getting very tired of this as a fan.

i am going to be kind and say that you don't know much about the NBA if you think that ZBo could have been traded for a lottery pick and Tony traded for a first rounder. -

(09-13-2017 05:31 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Randolph probably could have gotten a lottery pick and Tony Allyn definitely a first round pick.

Getting very tired of this as a fan.

Even for an anonymous message board, this is unusually dumb.

So Tony "Allyn", who didn't have a job for 3 months and just signed the vet minimum with a crap team, which is kind of like you or me working for the minimum wage, gets a 1st rounder?

And even more crazy, ZBo gets a lottery pick? Absurd. A 35 year old who can no longer defend on an expiring contract gets a lottery pick? Crazy.

Turn in your Grizzly fan card. Stick to football or knitting, cause hoops aint your thing.

Sorry to pile on OP, but WTF?!?

(09-13-2017 05:31 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  They had to know for the last two years that these two individuals were probably gone. Especially after the Parsons debacle of a deal handcuffing them. Yet they sat on their hands and did not leverage either one of them as a trade for future pics. They were both individuals that could help other teams playoff pushes last year and therefore could have gotten us picks that would have helped to build a young nucleus. Randolph probably could have gotten a lottery pick and Tony Allyn definitely a first round pick. When is ownership going to understand that Chris Wallace Is out of his element in managing an NBA franchise? Yes he got Marc Gasol. talk about a blind squirrel getting a nut. Because we all know the circumstances on how the grizzlies got lucky in even getting him. Getting very tired of this as a fan.

Your signature sure fits this post.

(09-13-2017 05:31 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  They had to know for the last two years that these two individuals were probably gone. Especially after the Parsons debacle of a deal handcuffing them. Yet they sat on their hands and did not leverage either one of them as a trade for future pics. They were both individuals that could help other teams playoff pushes last year and therefore could have gotten us picks that would have helped to build a young nucleus. Randolph probably could have gotten a lottery pick and Tony Allyn definitely a first round pick. When is ownership going to understand that Chris Wallace Is out of his element in managing an NBA franchise? Yes he got Marc Gasol. talk about a blind squirrel getting a nut. Because we all know the circumstances on how the grizzlies got lucky in even getting him. Getting very tired of this as a fan.

Just glad you are not the GM of the Grizz... By your player evaluations I am disappointed we did not trade Conley for the first overall pick, perhaps this year...

Most they could have got for both was late 2nd picks. Only players you can get 1st round picks out of Conley and Gasol. Those will be late round picks also because only contenders will inquire about them because they are old.

An argument can be made as to how high of a draft pick you might could get for these two. But let's just take Zach Randolph for a moment. coming off the bench he was averaging 15 and 8. A team making a playoff push looking to win that season would have most definitely been in the market for his services if it was known that he was available. So to my original point, yes you may argue as to how high of a draft pick that you could get, but you cannot argue that the grizzlies sat on their hands and got nothing in return. They just let both of them walk. Maybe they could have packaged them up for something together, they did nothing. Well no they did do something, they signed an injury prone Chandler Parsons, the season before they knew that two of their core players were going to be free agents, to the worst contract in the NBA.

(09-13-2017 05:31 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  They had to know for the last two years that these two individuals were probably gone. Especially after the Parsons debacle of a deal handcuffing them. Yet they sat on their hands and did not leverage either one of them as a trade for future pics. They were both individuals that could help other teams playoff pushes last year and therefore could have gotten us picks that would have helped to build a young nucleus. Randolph probably could have gotten a lottery pick and Tony Allyn definitely a first round pick. When is ownership going to understand that Chris Wallace Is out of his element in managing an NBA franchise? Yes he got Marc Gasol. talk about a blind squirrel getting a nut. Because we all know the circumstances on how the grizzlies got lucky in even getting him. Getting very tired of this as a fan.

I don't think you know how this works.

Trading either would have not gotten you a first round pick last year.

Randolph might have gotten you a 2nd rounder, but the teams who wanted him probably were in the luxury tax. Plus you would have had to take salary back. So you might have had to have taken someone with more years on his contract. ZBo's value was as an expiring. The best deal you might have made could have been like the Lakers did getting rid of TM by packaging D'Angelo Russell.

Tony didn't make that much so his value wasn't as an expiring contract.

But why give those guys up last year when they were part of the playoff push?

Teams have attrition. We should have learned our lesson about lowering talent for money purposes when we ruined our best chance at a championship because the new owner couldn't afford one year in the luxury tax.

In no time over the last 5 years could ZBo have been traded for a lottery pick. Maybe a low first rounder 5 years ago....maybe.

Tony....probably were never getting a first round pick for him ever.

(09-14-2017 11:19 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  In no time over the last 5 years could ZBo have been traded for a lottery pick. Maybe a low first rounder 5 years ago....maybe.

Tony....probably were never getting a first round pick for him ever.

Only in a lower luxury tax bill payment and he was a fill-in to make salaries work.

Kind of like how Jon Leuer once cost a 1st draft pick.

(09-14-2017 11:28 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 11:19 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  In no time over the last 5 years could ZBo have been traded for a lottery pick. Maybe a low first rounder 5 years ago....maybe.

Tony....probably were never getting a first round pick for him ever.

Only in a lower luxury tax bill payment and he was a fill-in to make salaries work.

Kind of like how Jon Leuer once cost a 1st draft pick.

Yes, but in that instance ZBo wouldnt be getting us a first round pick. He would just be a salary fill in.

(09-13-2017 10:31 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  An argument can be made as to how high of a draft pick you might could get for these two. But let's just take Zach Randolph for a moment. coming off the bench he was averaging 15 and 8. A team making a playoff push looking to win that season would have most definitely been in the market for his services if it was known that he was available. So to my original point, yes you may argue as to how high of a draft pick that you could get, but you cannot argue that the grizzlies sat on their hands and got nothing in return. They just let both of them walk. Maybe they could have packaged them up for something together, they did nothing. Well no they did do something, they signed an injury prone Chandler Parsons, the season before they knew that two of their core players were going to be free agents, to the worst contract in the NBA.

Sometimes it's best to just admit you're wrong, and walk away.

(09-13-2017 10:31 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  An argument can be made as to how high of a draft pick you might could get for these two. But let's just take Zach Randolph for a moment. coming off the bench he was averaging 15 and 8. A team making a playoff push looking to win that season would have most definitely been in the market for his services if it was known that he was available. So to my original point, yes you may argue as to how high of a draft pick that you could get, but you cannot argue that the grizzlies sat on their hands and got nothing in return. They just let both of them walk. Maybe they could have packaged them up for something together, they did nothing. Well no they did do something, they signed an injury prone Chandler Parsons, the season before they knew that two of their core players were going to be free agents, to the worst contract in the NBA.

Quote:But let's just take Zach Randolph for a moment. coming off the bench he was averaging 15 and 8.

35 and coming off the bench for a lottery pick. You are awesome.

(09-14-2017 01:13 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 11:28 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 11:19 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  In no time over the last 5 years could ZBo have been traded for a lottery pick. Maybe a low first rounder 5 years ago....maybe.

Tony....probably were never getting a first round pick for him ever.

Only in a lower luxury tax bill payment and he was a fill-in to make salaries work.

Kind of like how Jon Leuer once cost a 1st draft pick.

Yes, but in that instance ZBo wouldnt be getting us a first round pick. He would just be a salary fill in.

Only referring to Tony in that point.