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I'm not convinced the NBA should go beyond 30. If it did, and even if it didn't, the salary cap per team should be lowered to spread out superstars to make the league more even.

However, if it goes to 32, many people seem to agree that #31 will be Seattle. However, who would be #32? List of possibilities, in no particular order: Vancouver, San Diego, Las Vegas, Kansas City, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Montreal. Any others?

Who would you want to see?

My vote would be for St. Louis.

EDIT

New poll based on Wedge's comment below. Outside of Seattle, where should a team/teams relocate? Choose one above on the poll but feel free to comment on who should relocate and where teams should relocate.
(This post was last modified: 09-20-2017 03:25 PM by BePcr07.)
09-20-2017 12:26 PM
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Whoever has a new arena. The NBA is fine as is though. Other than Seattle, there's not really a market that's worth adding. Maybe if Las Vegas hadn't added the wrong sport, you'd go there.
09-20-2017 12:51 PM
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There's a story out now claiming that a few NBA teams are losing money, mostly because they have extremely weak local TV deals and/or can't command higher ticket prices.

Maybe that story is just BS propaganda intended to justify a lockout of the players when the CBA expires. But if it's not BS, then maybe your poll should be, what are the cities to which existing NBA teams might relocate? Maybe the teams that make the most local revenue, like the Lakers and Knicks, will tell the owners of teams that only make about $10 million/year in local TV money, "Instead of asking for more of our money, how about moving your franchise to a place where it can make more money?"
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(09-20-2017 02:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  There's a story out now claiming that a few NBA teams are losing money, mostly because they have extremely weak local TV deals and/or can't command higher ticket prices.

Maybe that story is just BS propaganda intended to justify a lockout of the players when the CBA expires. But if it's not BS, then maybe your poll should be, what are the cities to which existing NBA teams might relocate? Maybe the teams that make the most local revenue, like the Lakers and Knicks, will tell the owners of teams that only make about $10 million/year in local TV money, "Instead of asking for more of our money, how about moving your franchise to a place where it can make more money?"

Very good point. Will attempt to change the poll.
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(09-20-2017 02:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  There's a story out now claiming that a few NBA teams are losing money, mostly because they have extremely weak local TV deals and/or can't command higher ticket prices.

Maybe that story is just BS propaganda intended to justify a lockout of the players when the CBA expires. But if it's not BS, then maybe your poll should be, what are the cities to which existing NBA teams might relocate? Maybe the teams that make the most local revenue, like the Lakers and Knicks, will tell the owners of teams that only make about $10 million/year in local TV money, "Instead of asking for more of our money, how about moving your franchise to a place where it can make more money?"

Weak local TV markets make sense, look at where NBA teams are. They're often in places that don't have another pro sports team. New Orleans and Memphis are both small and relatively poor and while others like Salt Lake, OKC and Portland are more affluent but still small. Major League Baseball by contrast doesn't have many small markets, with Kansas City being the worst...and they just won the World Series. Heck, one of their small markets, Oakland, is actually just part of a large market. Tampa Bay is a medium sized market that's just not good for pro sports as isn't Miami, actually a large market. I venture to say San Diego, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Kansas City are MLB's only true small markets. And Cincinnati and Pittsburgh are original MLB baseball towns, so it's not exactly like an expansion team in Vegas.
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It will never happen but the NBA should actually contract because there isn't enough talent to spread around. I can believe there are teams losing money since everyone knows before the season starts which teams actually have a legit chance for a ring. But you still have to pay those excessive player contracts.
09-20-2017 06:37 PM
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There are some small markets, and you're right that the smallest NBA markets are smaller than MLB's smallest.

Nielsen TV market size for smallest MLB TV markets (the number on the left is the ranking among U.S. TV markets):

23 Pittsburgh 1,160,220 TV homes
26 Baltimore 1,119,480
28 San Diego 1,065,700
33 Kansas City 919,020
35 Milwaukee 895,700
36 Cincinnati 863,800

Smallest NBA TV markets:

31 San Antonio 938,660 TV homes
34 Salt Lake City 916,960
35 Milwaukee 895,700
41 Oklahoma City 722,140
50 New Orleans 641,620
51 Memphis 633,930
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(09-20-2017 12:26 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I'm not convinced the NBA should go beyond 30. If it did, and even if it didn't, the salary cap per team should be lowered to spread out superstars to make the league more even.

However, if it goes to 32, many people seem to agree that #31 will be Seattle. However, who would be #32? List of possibilities, in no particular order: Vancouver, San Diego, Las Vegas, Kansas City, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Montreal. Any others?

Who would you want to see?

My vote would be for St. Louis.

EDIT

New poll based on Wedge's comment below. Outside of Seattle, where should a team/teams relocate? Choose one above on the poll but feel free to comment on who should relocate and where teams should relocate.

Vancouver lost the Grizzlies to Memphis so I doubt it.

I doubt Las Vegas goes for the hat trick with the NBA too.

Montreal can't even get back their NHL or MLB teams so I doubt that too.
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And of course, Cincinnati is actually much bigger in that, one it's a giant baseball town and, two, that it has other large markets that contribute to its fanbase, such as Louisville and Dayton.

Baltimore isn't in Washington's TV market but for a long time was the only baseball team in the region. And they are still the only AL team in the region.
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(09-20-2017 06:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  It will never happen but the NBA should actually contract because there isn't enough talent to spread around. I can believe there are teams losing money since everyone knows before the season starts which teams actually have a legit chance for a ring. But you still have to pay those excessive player contracts.

All the league's should contract.
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