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(09-26-2017 03:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 02:29 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The Nuggets biggest flaw is ownership.

To paraphrase Mark Cuban, some owners want to win more than anything else, while other owners want to make money more than anything else. Kroenke is obviously in the latter category.

I thought Kronke had to sell his teams in Denver in order to assume ownership of the Rams. Did the NFL wave their out of market ownership rules for him because he could build a stadium in LA with his own money?
09-27-2017 03:45 PM
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(09-27-2017 03:45 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 03:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 02:29 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The Nuggets biggest flaw is ownership.

To paraphrase Mark Cuban, some owners want to win more than anything else, while other owners want to make money more than anything else. Kroenke is obviously in the latter category.

I thought Kronke had to sell his teams in Denver in order to assume ownership of the Rams. Did the NFL wave their out of market ownership rules for him because he could build a stadium in LA with his own money?

Effectively, yes. A few months before voting on the Rams' move to LA, the NFL permitted Kroenke to put the Denver franchises in the name of his wife.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-sn-n...story.html
Quote:The cross-ownership complications of St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke are over.

NFL owners on Wednesday approved Kroenke’s plan, which allows him to retain ownership of the Rams, and transfers ownership of the Denver Nuggets and Colorado Avalanche to his wife, Ann Walton Kroenke. She is a Wal-Mart heiress, who, according to Forbes, is worth an estimated $4.6 billion.

The Nuggets and the Avalanche will be run by the Kroenkes' son, Josh.
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09-27-2017 04:24 PM
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Yes, there was a sham ownership transfer to his wife, which was not a sale.
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(09-27-2017 11:07 PM)lew240z Wrote:  Yes, there was a sham ownership transfer to his wife, which was not a sale.

As the Wu-Tang said...
C.R.E.A.M.
09-29-2017 01:41 PM
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I've had a crazy idea for a long time that won't ever happen but I think it'd be interesting to see.Instead of eliminating markets you merge two teams into one.The Memphis Grizzlies and New Orleans Pelicans merge and play 21 home games in one city and 20 in the other.If this team makes the playoffs all their home games would be in one city so you wouldn't have games 1 and 2 in Memphis then 5 and 6 in New Orleans.This is a type of contraction where you reduce the number of franchises but not the number of markets.
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(10-01-2017 11:02 AM)Gibson Tiger Wrote:  I've had a crazy idea for a long time that won't ever happen but I think it'd be interesting to see.Instead of eliminating markets you merge two teams into one.The Memphis Grizzlies and New Orleans Pelicans merge and play 21 home games in one city and 20 in the other.If this team makes the playoffs all their home games would be in one city so you wouldn't have games 1 and 2 in Memphis then 5 and 6 in New Orleans.This is a type of contraction where you reduce the number of franchises but not the number of markets.

I think the biggest problem with that is that then you have two markets where locals don't think the team is "their" team.

It's been tried, in the 1970s. When the NBA Kings were in Kansas City, they experimented for a few years with playing some of their games in Omaha, Nebraska, and calling the team "the Kansas City-Omaha Kings". The ABA Carolina Cougars franchise played home games in Greensboro, Raleigh, Charlotte, and Winston-Salem.
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A team needs corporate accounts buying up premium seating. Splitting a team between two markets makes it harder to accomplish that, unless if you essentially have two markets that could theoretically support teams by themselves. Both arenas would have to be of similar quality as well, which typically is going to be the biggest obstacle. You might be able to have the "Central Florida" Magic split games between Tampa and Orlando, but why would Orlando or Tampa invest in an arena to have 20 fewer home dates each year?
10-01-2017 09:29 PM
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You might be able to have a team in a central location, such as a team between San Antonio and Austin but not split between two different areas unless it's a minority of games. Or split between two parts of the same metro area. Once upon a time, the Clippers played games in LA and Anaheim, which was a really good idea they should have kept doing, as they could have established more of a foothold in Orange County.

The Expos also played games in the Caribbean but they were on the verge of moving anyways, so that doesn't really count as what he was looking for.
10-02-2017 02:26 AM
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(09-21-2017 10:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 06:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 11:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  And of course, Cincinnati is actually much bigger in that, one it's a giant baseball town and, two, that it has other large markets that contribute to its fanbase, such as Louisville and Dayton.

Baltimore isn't in Washington's TV market but for a long time was the only baseball team in the region. And they are still the only AL team in the region.

Milwaukee is suspect because of its proximity to Chicago. It's closer to Chicago than San Diego is to Los Angeles. There are probably even more Cubs fans (and Bulls fans) in southern Wisconsin than there are Dodgers fans in San Diego.

Cubs fans maybe. Milwaukee has more support from Wisconsin in general, just like the Packers. Maybe I'mean wrong but Milwaukee in no way is a colony of Chicago.

The local TV revenue indicates that either there are a heck of a lot of Cubs fans in Wisconsin, or fans in Wisconsin are just less enthusiastic about baseball in general. The Brewers reportedly get about $24MM/year in local TV revenue, which is near the bottom in MLB, above only teams that either have smaller TV territories (Royals) or places with weak interest in local teams (Marlins, Rays). The Padres, for example, get $39MM/year, even though the Milwaukee market alone is only 10-15% smaller than San Diego and the Brewers' Wisconsin MLB TV territory has about twice as many people as the Padres TV market, which is limited to San Diego County and the desert county to the east.

southern wisky is also bear country to an extent. there's one bar i want to off i-43 north or south of racine but before milwaukee that i've been itching to go to. it's full of bear and packer fans. there's nothing like a packer bar
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RE: NBA to 32
(10-01-2017 02:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 11:02 AM)Gibson Tiger Wrote:  I've had a crazy idea for a long time that won't ever happen but I think it'd be interesting to see.Instead of eliminating markets you merge two teams into one.The Memphis Grizzlies and New Orleans Pelicans merge and play 21 home games in one city and 20 in the other.If this team makes the playoffs all their home games would be in one city so you wouldn't have games 1 and 2 in Memphis then 5 and 6 in New Orleans.This is a type of contraction where you reduce the number of franchises but not the number of markets.

I think the biggest problem with that is that then you have two markets where locals don't think the team is "their" team.

It's been tried, in the 1970s. When the NBA Kings were in Kansas City, they experimented for a few years with playing some of their games in Omaha, Nebraska, and calling the team "the Kansas City-Omaha Kings". The ABA Carolina Cougars franchise played home games in Greensboro, Raleigh, Charlotte, and Winston-Salem.

Green Bay used to play 2 Regular season and one Pre-season game a year in Milwaukee. To this day, Green Bay season tickets are split between Green (Green Bay historical) and Gold (Milwaukee historical) packages.
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