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Just a reminder of last year's standings. I think we're going to get picked in that spot every year until we win this damn thing.

Last season ended on a sour note when we became everyone's slappy in the NCHC Frozen Faceoff and the NCAA's. And we lost lots of talent after last season.

If not last season, then when?

(09-19-2017 09:03 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Last season ended on a sour note when we became everyone's slappy in the NCHC Frozen Faceoff

I mean..... in the frozen faceoff we lost to 2 top 5 teams, one of which won the national championship. I dont' know that we should be too upset about that.

I am upset about the airforce game, but that's how it goes in a one and done tournament. I think there's tons of talent left on this team and we should have a real shot at the NCAAs again.

(09-20-2017 07:18 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:03 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Last season ended on a sour note when we became everyone's slappy in the NCHC Frozen Faceoff

I mean..... in the frozen faceoff we lost to 2 top 5 teams, one of which won the national championship. I dont' know that we should be too upset about that.

I am upset about the airforce game, but that's how it goes in a one and done tournament. I think there's tons of talent left on this team and we should have a real shot at the NCAAs again.

We lost Iacopelli, Molino and Tiffels-amongst others. We're relying on a lot of newcomers to jell and jell fast. Lots of new faces on this team.

Just having 'tons of talent' doesn't mean a lot of they're not used to playing with each other. And a lot of that 'talent' is on paper, yet to see it on the ice at Lawson.

I'd like to be more optimistic about Bronco Ice Hockey, but the reality is last season was the one where we should have made waves in the NCHC and NCAA playoffs. Instead we underperformed. I have a suspicion that this season is going to be back to the NCHC lower division with wins few and far between. Hope I'm wrong.

5th/6th sounds about right. If all that youth melds as the season goes on, we could be borderline for the tournament in March.

(09-20-2017 08:41 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 07:18 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:03 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Last season ended on a sour note when we became everyone's slappy in the NCHC Frozen Faceoff

I mean..... in the frozen faceoff we lost to 2 top 5 teams, one of which won the national championship. I dont' know that we should be too upset about that.

I am upset about the airforce game, but that's how it goes in a one and done tournament. I think there's tons of talent left on this team and we should have a real shot at the NCAAs again.

We lost Iacopelli, Molino and Tiffels-amongst others. We're relying on a lot of newcomers to jell and jell fast. Lots of new faces on this team.

Just having 'tons of talent' doesn't mean a lot of they're not used to playing with each other. And a lot of that 'talent' is on paper, yet to see it on the ice at Lawson.

I'd like to be more optimistic about Bronco Ice Hockey, but the reality is last season was the one where we should have made waves in the NCHC and NCAA playoffs. Instead we underperformed. I have a suspicion that this season is going to be back to the NCHC lower division with wins few and far between. Hope I'm wrong.

You might be the only person in the world who thinks Wmu underperformed in the nchc last year. Underperformed in the ncaas... Sure, but finishing 3rd and just barely losing out on a 1seed in the ncaas was way way way above expectations for the team who many picked as 7th preseason last year.

Still higher than UM and MSU.

(09-20-2017 10:22 PM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:41 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 07:18 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:03 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Last season ended on a sour note when we became everyone's slappy in the NCHC Frozen Faceoff

I mean..... in the frozen faceoff we lost to 2 top 5 teams, one of which won the national championship. I dont' know that we should be too upset about that.

I am upset about the airforce game, but that's how it goes in a one and done tournament. I think there's tons of talent left on this team and we should have a real shot at the NCAAs again.

We lost Iacopelli, Molino and Tiffels-amongst others. We're relying on a lot of newcomers to jell and jell fast. Lots of new faces on this team.

Just having 'tons of talent' doesn't mean a lot of they're not used to playing with each other. And a lot of that 'talent' is on paper, yet to see it on the ice at Lawson.

I'd like to be more optimistic about Bronco Ice Hockey, but the reality is last season was the one where we should have made waves in the NCHC and NCAA playoffs. Instead we underperformed. I have a suspicion that this season is going to be back to the NCHC lower division with wins few and far between. Hope I'm wrong.

You might be the only person in the world who thinks Wmu underperformed in the nchc last year. Underperformed in the ncaas... Sure, but finishing 3rd and just barely losing out on a 1seed in the ncaas was way way way above expectations for the team who many picked as 7th preseason last year.

I said we underperformed in the playoffs, not during the season. Regular season we did great, especially down the stretch.

We split with U of Minn-Duluth in the regular season, they dominated us in the playoffs. Denver-OK, they had a 3/1 advantage in regular season so beating us 3-1 in the playoffs wasn't unexpected. As for Air Force, we should have beaten them.

We should have beaten Air Force and arguably beaten U of Minn-Duluth, instead we lost. I'd call that underperforming. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

What some of you guys forget, we had some major players injuried down the stretch , some came back at the end but were not even close to 100 percent . 4 players to be exact
As far as the pre season poll they are about right in an earlier thread this is pretty much what i picked as well. Some on here think we should be on or near the top of the NCHC most of the time but we are in the NCHC the toughest conference in college hockey. We also do not have the ability to recruit like the top teams annually {DU UND MINN D } so when we loose 8 senors and 3 to the pros you are naturally going to take a step back. It is up front scoring depth we are going to struggle with.
I would be happy with a 500 season overall

(09-21-2017 12:02 PM)Sup Wrote:  What some of you guys forget, we had some major players injuried down the stretch , some came back at the end but were not even close to 100 percent . 4 players to be exact
As far as the pre season poll they are about right in an earlier thread this is pretty much what i picked as well. Some on here think we should be on or near the top of the NCHC most of the time but we are in the NCHC the toughest conference in college hockey. We also do not have the ability to recruit like the top teams annually {DU UND MINN D } so when we loose 8 senors and 3 to the pros you are naturally going to take a step back. It is up front scoring depth we are going to struggle with.
I would be happy with a 500 season overall

The group on this board is a fickle bunch. Most want to be in the toughest conference in the land, but get upset because we cannot contend every year due to the recruiting to keep the funnel full all the time, like the schools you mentioned.

Above the 500 level once out of every five years isnt good enough? Picky, picky, picky. As long as the conference gets lots of teams in the tourney, who cares if none of those teams are WMU.

(09-22-2017 12:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  Above the 500 level once out of every five years isnt good enough? Picky, picky, picky. As long as the conference gets lots of teams in the tourney, who cares if none of those teams are WMU.

It's great to hear you have such low expectations for our hockey program.

(09-23-2017 01:21 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 12:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  Above the 500 level once out of every five years isnt good enough? Picky, picky, picky. As long as the conference gets lots of teams in the tourney, who cares if none of those teams are WMU.

It's great to hear you have such low expectations for our hockey program.

Was referring to what has actually happened since we have been in the nchc. Great season last year, but has been very tough sledding prior to that, and it looks as if the prognostications for this year reflect that they think last year was more an anomaly than the norm. That has less to do with us not being good and more to do with the fact that every school in our conference has a class A hockey program, and it is very hard to keep pace. If we were in most other conferences I am sure we would be placed much higher. We should be decent at least; but decent is only good enough for the bottom portion of the nchc. That's reality, based on actually years of history.

What matters is making the tournament and winning tournament games. We have more opportunities to achieve those goals in the NCHC than the new WCHA.

You are simply digging in your heels in a vain attempt to prove yourself right. WMU is better off in the NCHC and that is a fact.

(09-23-2017 07:26 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  What matters is making the tournament and winning tournament games. We have more opportunities to achieve those goals in the NCHC than the new WCHA.

You are simply digging in your heels in a vain attempt to prove yourself right. WMU is better off in the NCHC and that is a fact.

The first several years proved I was right. No need to dig my heels in after that. We are here in the NCHC, so it matters not now. But it shouldn't be a mystery to anyone why coaches in the league, or writers who cover college hockey for their livelihood, would pick us in the basement again. You continue to act as if WMU has been a perennial contender for the league title, when even our best season we have had left us in third place out of eight. Look at what I wrote five years ago. This is what I predicted. And unless we find a way to sustain what happened last year, and prove the prognostications wrong by having another excellent year, our hockey program, which had a ton of momentum when the CCHA ended, faces the a real possibility of becoming stagnant, with interest declining, and high level recruits dismissing us.

We could finish in last place for the next ten years and terminate the hockey program altogether Charm, and you still would claim I had it all wrong. You claim I root against the Broncos, when I am sure you don't know anyone as passionate for his alma mater than I am, and I am sure I attend more games than you. This was from the beginning a discussion about what was the best option, and it should have been civil. It still should, but unless I agree with you, even after several years of history confirming my analysis from the beginning, you trash me relentlessly.

Whatever dude.

Much like your messiah, you are delusional and thin-skinned beyond belief. I am not trashing you, and our conversation has been civil. You simply react harshly when others challenge you and your ridiculous beliefs.

You may attend more games than I do, but your knowledge of the intricacies of big boy college hockey is shallow at best. I look forward to your mea culpa in 5-10 years when the new WCHA ceases to exist and those teams are scrambling for new leagues to play in...if any are available.

Can you two drop the idiocy this year and go back to it next year? The rest of us could use the break. I mean, just one year without it would be awesome. Don't react to the other person no matter how much of a nitwit they are being. I know you can do it. Take one for the team here. Please.

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/

Interestingly, we rank 20th in the preseason poll. Obviously, preseason polls mean next to nothing, but it is interesting that we are ranked ahead of Miami and Nebraska-Omaha vs. our conference pre-season poll.