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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-21-2017 10:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 10:28 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 09:30 AM)westwolf Wrote:  According to this article, no ACC interest in UConn
https://www.cardiachill.com/2017/8/24/16...nt-endgame

03-lmfao "Article"? That is just some moron's blog post. This is why our country is up shites creek. Our people don't understand that opinions aren't news articles.

While I agree with this sentiment, it might also be said that people don't understand that the news services constantly alter facts into opinions. In fact because there are a boatload of PHD students every year trying to find a new angle for their dissertation history is made over into fiction time and again in doctoral programs. And in theology the cutting edge of heresy is honed with each new PHD. So one might argue that we've abandoned facts and truth and traditions for the novel, sensationalistic, and self aggrandizing.

Altering facts into opinions isn't the same as altering opinions into facts.

Also, most PhD students are not making up lies. Putting a new twist on something and embellishing the significance of some facts are not the same things as spinning webs of untruth.

While we both agree in the basic premise of where I was heading with my original statement, I am not one to label the mainstream media as "fake news". I get that the mainstream media often post click bait articles on certain subjects (to do with celebrities, products, health) that are often full of "bad facts". I won't call them lies because their goal isn't necessarily to lie and those "bad facts" aren't necessarily even entirely untrue. The bad facts are either there to lead our brains down a path where we question everything we have been told so that we keep coming back for more click bait or they are there because the source was lazy with their research (which is usually the case).

I don't buy into the #fakenews movement, though. Sometimes a fact is a fact. It doesn't make it "fake news" if we don't like the fact or if the fact inconveniently misaligns with our own personal agendas.
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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
Gee, I don't remember a 9-page thread on why the SEC Network HQ was located outside the SEC footprint and further East than every SEC campus? At least the ACC has 2 schools North and 1 East of Bristol...
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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-21-2017 03:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Gee, I don't remember a 9-page thread on why the SEC Network HQ was located outside the SEC footprint and further East than every SEC campus? At least the ACC has 2 schools North and 1 East of Bristol...

It's been explained, but ACC fans don't like the explanation: when the SEC does something in North Carolina, that's viewed as an invasion of the ACC, it doesn't reflect badly on the SEC.

When the ACCN is in Bristol rather than ACC territory, that's viewed as ESPN treating it generically and with lower priority, which is a valid fear.
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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-21-2017 11:30 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 10:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 10:28 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 09:30 AM)westwolf Wrote:  According to this article, no ACC interest in UConn
https://www.cardiachill.com/2017/8/24/16...nt-endgame

03-lmfao "Article"? That is just some moron's blog post. This is why our country is up shites creek. Our people don't understand that opinions aren't news articles.

While I agree with this sentiment, it might also be said that people don't understand that the news services constantly alter facts into opinions. In fact because there are a boatload of PHD students every year trying to find a new angle for their dissertation history is made over into fiction time and again in doctoral programs. And in theology the cutting edge of heresy is honed with each new PHD. So one might argue that we've abandoned facts and truth and traditions for the novel, sensationalistic, and self aggrandizing.

Altering facts into opinions isn't the same as altering opinions into facts.

Also, most PhD students are not making up lies. Putting a new twist on something and embellishing the significance of some facts are not the same things as spinning webs of untruth.

While we both agree in the basic premise of where I was heading with my original statement, I am not one to label the mainstream media as "fake news". I get that the mainstream media often post click bait articles on certain subjects (to do with celebrities, products, health) that are often full of "bad facts". I won't call them lies because their goal isn't necessarily to lie and those "bad facts" aren't necessarily even entirely untrue. The bad facts are either there to lead our brains down a path where we question everything we have been told so that we keep coming back for more click bait or they are there because the source was lazy with their research (which is usually the case).

I don't buy into the #fakenews movement, though. Sometimes a fact is a fact. It doesn't make it "fake news" if we don't like the fact or if the fact inconveniently misaligns with our own personal agendas.

Half truths and distorted facts are just a more subtle form of a lie. The truth is a gestalt. Any deviation from it whether couched as opinion, creativity, or spin, is a distortion of the truth and therefore a lie. Why? The purpose is to focus on an aspect to create a perception or to persuade someone to a point of view alien to the truth.
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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-21-2017 11:30 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 10:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 10:28 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 09:30 AM)westwolf Wrote:  According to this article, no ACC interest in UConn
https://www.cardiachill.com/2017/8/24/16...nt-endgame

03-lmfao "Article"? That is just some moron's blog post. This is why our country is up shites creek. Our people don't understand that opinions aren't news articles.

While I agree with this sentiment, it might also be said that people don't understand that the news services constantly alter facts into opinions. In fact because there are a boatload of PHD students every year trying to find a new angle for their dissertation history is made over into fiction time and again in doctoral programs. And in theology the cutting edge of heresy is honed with each new PHD. So one might argue that we've abandoned facts and truth and traditions for the novel, sensationalistic, and self aggrandizing.

Altering facts into opinions isn't the same as altering opinions into facts.

Also, most PhD students are not making up lies. Putting a new twist on something and embellishing the significance of some facts are not the same things as spinning webs of untruth.

While we both agree in the basic premise of where I was heading with my original statement, I am not one to label the mainstream media as "fake news". I get that the mainstream media often post click bait articles on certain subjects (to do with celebrities, products, health) that are often full of "bad facts". I won't call them lies because their goal isn't necessarily to lie and those "bad facts" aren't necessarily even entirely untrue. The bad facts are either there to lead our brains down a path where we question everything we have been told so that we keep coming back for more click bait or they are there because the source was lazy with their research (which is usually the case).

I don't buy into the #fakenews movement, though. Sometimes a fact is a fact. It doesn't make it "fake news" if we don't like the fact or if the fact inconveniently misaligns with our own personal agendas.

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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-21-2017 03:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Gee, I don't remember a 9-page thread on why the SEC Network HQ was located outside the SEC footprint and further East than every SEC campus? At least the ACC has 2 schools North and 1 East of Bristol...

It's been explained, but ACC fans don't like the explanation: when the SEC does something in North Carolina, that's viewed as an invasion of the ACC, it doesn't reflect badly on the SEC.

When the ACCN is in Bristol rather than ACC territory, that's viewed as ESPN treating it generically and with lower priority, which is a valid fear.


That's YOUR view Quo and that view carries the appropriate weight its due. 05-stirthepot
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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-21-2017 03:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Gee, I don't remember a 9-page thread on why the SEC Network HQ was located outside the SEC footprint and further East than every SEC campus? At least the ACC has 2 schools North and 1 East of Bristol...

It's been explained, but ACC fans don't like the explanation: when the SEC does something in North Carolina, that's viewed as an invasion of the ACC, it doesn't reflect badly on the SEC.

When the ACCN is in Bristol rather than ACC territory, that's viewed as ESPN treating it generically and with lower priority, which is a valid fear.

I've seen you reach some convoluted positions over the years on here but this one might just take the cake.
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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-20-2017 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 10:41 PM)texasorange Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 08:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ESPN built a $100 million studio in Bristol (not an office building - a studio!).

You had to know they were going to use it.

No way does it make sense to put the SEC Network in Bristol, so...

It doesn't make sense to put the ACC Network in Bristol. Interest in the ACC in Connecticut is essentially zero. An ACCN should be in a place like ... Charlotte.

The ACCN may be a smash hit, but this move makes it pretty clear that as of now, ESPN regards it as a second/third banana outfit.

Quo, I'm going to have to disagree here with you. The location just isn't that important, and in today's technology it means less. Shows can still originate out of Charlotte, and the various ACC campuses. Plus as earlier mentioned, top ESPN talent could potentially be more available. I just do not see this as a big issue.

I agree that in the end, the location will not matter at all. What will matter is the carriage rates ESPN is able to negotiate with cable partners, and the number of people who sign up to get the ACCN, because ultimately, that demand will drive carriage rates.

If the ACCN generates viewers and carriage rates similar to the SECN and BTN, then it won't matter at all if it is being produced in Charlotte or in Buenos Aires, Argentina or any other place.

All I am saying is that, right now, it is somewhat of a symbolic slight to the ACC that the network is being housed in Bristol, rather than in ACC territory. And, if I was an ACC fan, it would give me pause for concern, that maybe the Bristol location means the coverage is going to be on the generic side, rather than being highly-tailored and customized to the ACC, which is what i'd want, and what I get from the SECN.

If I'm watching the SECN, i don't necessarily want 'top national talent' like say Kirk Herbstreit, I want "SEC people", analysts with strong connections to the SEC, to be doing the coverage, commentary, etc. I want it to be an SEC experience, so to speak, and with the SECN I get that. Bristol makes me worry the ACC won't get that.

PS - are you coming over to Baton Rouge for Syracuse-LSU this weekend?

I wish I was. When college is in session I am usually traveling for work (I'm in higher education publishing). If I had been smart I would have scheduled LSU for this week. Instead I was up at Utah & BYU. After 25 years in Texas I fear driving in the snow. Next week is Colorado & CSU.
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RE: ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-19-2017 05:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 09:25 AM)krup Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 08:52 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 08:13 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The ACCN may be a smash hit, but this move makes it pretty clear that as of now, ESPN regards it as a second/third banana outfit.

I wouldn't go that far. The optics aren't what the ACC would maybe ideally want, like what the Big Ten has in Chicago, SEC in Charlotte, PAC in San Fran, and even LHN in Austin. The ACC will not have its media operations center in their "heart."

You are still making the false argument? The SEC does not make less now than it would have if it started a network earlier, and it does not make less than the BTN based on profit share or anything else.
This is, however, what happens when you give yourself exclusively to a provider or can't masterfully negotiate terms down to this level. Yes, the ACCN will happen. When, where, and how are debatable in their relevancy.

What I think maybe ESPN does think, and this isn't exclusive to ACCN, is that these college sport networks aren't worth the mega-investment and all of this lavishness. That the returns aren't fantastic, but, that ESPN "bought into" the market overpaying to be a part of these other ventures (especially LHN). With the ACCN, they get to pump the brakes a bit.

No question LHN has been a disaster, but your assessment of conference networks is completely incorrect.

According to SNL Kagan's Economics of Basic Cable Networks, 2016 Edition, t he SEC Network generates operating income of $345 million on revenues of $571 million. BTN generates operating income of $159 million on revenues of $401 million. These are tremendously successful ventures for both the conferences and their network partners. Indeed, the SEC Network is one of the few bright spots the ESPN has been able to report, offsetting a good portion of the decline in revenues from their other networks. ESPN needs the ACC Network to be a repeat of that success almost as badly as the ACC does.

What we're seeing here is just a management decision by ESPN to make the most efficient use of its existing facilities. ESPN has obviously become more cost conscious. With recent layoffs, I suspect ESPN has plenty of existing underused studio space and unused office space to host ACC Network operations. Charlotte has been the location of ESPN Regional Television (syndicated and ESPN3 productions), ESPNU and SEC Network. It's possible that space there is limited, and that the choice to base operations out of Bristol is more about using existing space as compared to paying to expand the space occupied in Charlotte.

I take 3 things out of this thread in general and your post specifically.

1. The SEC really benefitted from the Big Ten initiating the conference network movement. They are both running a network for about $230 million, but the legwork the B1G did proving the concept was viable allowed the SECN to sign more lucrative carriage deals and the $170 million or so more they are making in revenue is going right to the SEC network bottom line.

The SEC would have really benefited from the B1G initiating the conference network movement had Slive realized in 2007 that Delaney was right and that the network route was the way to go. But, stupidly, he rejected that model and signed an ordinary deal with ESPN, one that turned out to massively underestimate the SEC's burgeoning value.

Thus, even though the SECN is generating $$$ hand over fist, it is ESPN, not the SEC, that is benefiting most from that, because ESPN was able to drive a hard bargain thanks to it already owning the SEC's rights.

Slive's lack of forsight in 2008 has cost the SEC hundreds of millions in revenue that it, not ESPN, should be getting, and it has resulted in the B1G being on a superior revenue trajectory.
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(09-21-2017 05:15 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Gee, I don't remember a 9-page thread on why the SEC Network HQ was located outside the SEC footprint and further East than every SEC campus? At least the ACC has 2 schools North and 1 East of Bristol...

It's been explained, but ACC fans don't like the explanation: when the SEC does something in North Carolina, that's viewed as an invasion of the ACC, it doesn't reflect badly on the SEC.

When the ACCN is in Bristol rather than ACC territory, that's viewed as ESPN treating it generically and with lower priority, which is a valid fear.

That's YOUR view Quo and that view carries the appropriate weight its due. 05-stirthepot

Well, not just my view - it's why this thread is 10 pages long. 07-coffee3
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ACC Network will be operated out of Bristol, Connecticut instead of Charlotte, NC...
(09-22-2017 07:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 05:15 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Gee, I don't remember a 9-page thread on why the SEC Network HQ was located outside the SEC footprint and further East than every SEC campus? At least the ACC has 2 schools North and 1 East of Bristol...

It's been explained, but ACC fans don't like the explanation: when the SEC does something in North Carolina, that's viewed as an invasion of the ACC, it doesn't reflect badly on the SEC.

When the ACCN is in Bristol rather than ACC territory, that's viewed as ESPN treating it generically and with lower priority, which is a valid fear.

That's YOUR view Quo and that view carries the appropriate weight its due. 05-stirthepot

Well, not just my view - it's why this thread is 10 pages long. 07-coffee3


Like it's the first time that a thread on here has gone this long over nothing.


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(09-21-2017 09:27 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I've been saying that for 3 days now. Way to get with the freaking program.

I'm just gonna call you Morton's from now on... because you're always peddling salt.

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