http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/georgia...index.html

Kid was a nutcase. Cops gave him every chance in the world to put down his knife but he absolutely provoked the situation and probably ruined some cops lives in the meantime. Now some Georgia Tech students are pissed off.

From the article - here is how it went down...

"Come on, man, drop the knife," one officer says. "Come on, let's drop it," another officer says.
Schultz walks toward them slowly and shouts, "Shoot me!"
"No, drop the knife," the first officer says.
The officers repeatedly tell Schultz to drop the knife and one says, "Nobody wants to hurt you." Another says, "What's going on, man?"
More officers' voices are heard, telling Schultz not to move and to drop the knife. Schultz pauses briefly, then takes three steps forward before being shot once and falling to the ground.
Schultz died at a hospital.

And meanwhile, this thread will be run over by nutcase Republicans who think every liberal in America is like 'Scout Schultz'. And that attitude is every bit as bad as Scout Schultz' actions.

He was white. It will probably be quickly forgotten.

Shot by campus police - according to media. Key fact, if true.

They gave him every opportunity not to get hurt, this is an easy case of "death by cop".

Nothing to see here.

There is a very high suicide rate among people with gender confusion, and this looks to be suicide by cop.

Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

(09-17-2017 06:01 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/georgia...index.html

Kid was a nutcase. Cops gave him every chance in the world to put down his knife but he absolutely provoked the situation and probably ruined some cops lives in the meantime. Now some Georgia Tech students are pissed off.

From the article - here is how it went down...

"Come on, man, drop the knife," one officer says. "Come on, let's drop it," another officer says.
Schultz walks toward them slowly and shouts, "Shoot me!"
"No, drop the knife," the first officer says.
The officers repeatedly tell Schultz to drop the knife and one says, "Nobody wants to hurt you." Another says, "What's going on, man?"
More officers' voices are heard, telling Schultz not to move and to drop the knife. Schultz pauses briefly, then takes three steps forward before being shot once and falling to the ground.
Schultz died at a hospital.

And meanwhile, this thread will be run over by nutcase Republicans who think every liberal in America is like 'Scout Schultz'. And that attitude is every bit as bad as Scout Schultz' actions.

Wow. Horrible story, clearly a troubled kid.

but why the prejudice and stereotyping of people that try to contribute to threads and engage in a free exchange of ideas?

Mirror? Meet thyself.

Damn.

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

(09-17-2017 06:51 PM)Chappy Wrote:  There is a very high suicide rate among people with gender confusion, and this looks to be suicide by cop.

My guess is this was the trigger:

Quote:Another says, "What's going on, man?"

But yup. Suicide by Cop. Horrible how troubled some of these kids are these days. Sounds like there was an otherwise promising future, here.

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

(09-17-2017 06:44 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Shot by campus police - according to media. Key fact, if true.

I was under the impression that campus cops are generally not armed. Some I've seen are a bit higher quality than mall guards.

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

"OK guys...we are going to bum rush this dude. At least one, probably more of us is going to get cut up so bad we are going to look like a road map but we're going. On three. One....two.....THREE!"

(09-17-2017 08:01 PM)Crackerjackprize Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 06:44 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Shot by campus police - according to media. Key fact, if true.

I was under the impression that campus cops are generally not armed. Some I've seen are a bit higher quality than mall guards.

Most campus police in this state are real cops with real guns.

(09-17-2017 08:19 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:01 PM)Crackerjackprize Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 06:44 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Shot by campus police - according to media. Key fact, if true.

I was under the impression that campus cops are generally not armed. Some I've seen are a bit higher quality than mall guards.

Most campus police in this state are real cops with real guns.

Generally because of the low pay, long hours, and essentially being glorified security guards it's either an entry level position or one where the lame and lazy go to retire on duty.

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

Probably end up stabbed. Easy to say if you aren't the one getting stabbed.

I would say better equipment of the non-lethal variety might have helped here.

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(09-17-2017 08:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

"OK guys...we are going to bum rush this dude. At least one, probably more of us is going to get cut up so bad we are going to look like a road map but we're going. On three. One....two.....THREE!"

Yeah, people who say "they should just disarm him" obviously don't have any fear (when it's not them that has to rush a guy with a knife). People watch too many movies.

With that said, if he's not rushing you full speed and just walking toward you, a non-lethal shot isn't that difficult for someone properly trained. If he keeps coming after one in the thigh, then shoot him in the chest.

(09-17-2017 08:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

"OK guys...we are going to bum rush this dude. At least one, probably more of us is going to get cut up so bad we are going to look like a road map but we're going. On three. One....two.....THREE!"

C'mon, Kap.

This wasn't a guy with a machete. Clearly a troubled kid, with a swiss army knife or maybe a leatherman.

And no, they wouldn't announce it in advance, schit we did this stuff when I worked as a doorman/bouncer at some reasonably large bars/clubs.

One of us keeps the person distracted and watching, looking at us, another guy takes him out from the back or side. Quick full nelson and throw them out the door.

And these are trained Cops, not part-time help, dope smoking surfers trying to make some extra bucks and pick up on drunk chicks.

I'm as big a backer as near anyone, but lethal force in this instance... dunno.

(09-17-2017 08:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

Probably end up stabbed. Easy to say if you aren't the one getting stabbed.

I would say better equipment of the non-lethal variety might have helped here.

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that's my take....I'm also with paul's perspective....not sure why the shot was fired in the lethal zone....

however, I wasn't there and you never know what the perp could do in return....

also, this is from the article that wasn't quoted by the OP....

Quote:According to the GBI, Georgia Tech Police officers responded to a 911 call about a person with a knife and a gun on the downtown Atlanta campus at 11:17 p.m.

all I see is another twisted event gone wrong and engineered by a supposed intelligent person that couldn't survive the onslaught of the brainwashed 'cuckland' he prescribed to....

it will hardly be the last time we see stories like this....

the (law)d and everyone else knows the media will also hype it to ad nauseam....

some kids today are just simply ****** when they wander off the path of normalcy....from sexuality to work ethic to the family....

as a hypothetical exercise......simply imagine how the mental stability of today's kids would exist if 100 years ago.....that's the shite I think about.....that could happen if the USD crumbles....

the boomers were the first 'spoiled generation'.....the thumbtapping generation is hands down a joke w/o a fk'n clue....

(09-17-2017 08:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:19 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:01 PM)Crackerjackprize Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 06:44 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  Shot by campus police - according to media. Key fact, if true.

I was under the impression that campus cops are generally not armed. Some I've seen are a bit higher quality than mall guards.

Most campus police in this state are real cops with real guns.

Generally because of the low pay, long hours, and essentially being glorified security guards it's either an entry level position or one where the lame and lazy go to retire on duty.

Our UAPD officers were mostly the second one.

They were nice though and helped you out if they could.

TPD were shitheads.

(09-17-2017 08:28 PM)banker Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Sounds justified but having said that I don't understand why people that can be brought down non-lethally aren't.

Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

"OK guys...we are going to bum rush this dude. At least one, probably more of us is going to get cut up so bad we are going to look like a road map but we're going. On three. One....two.....THREE!"

Yeah, people who say "they should just disarm him" obviously don't have any fear (when it's not them that has to rush a guy with a knife). People watch too many movies.

With that said, if he's not rushing you full speed and just walking toward you, a non-lethal shot isn't that difficult for someone properly trained. If he keeps coming after one in the thigh, then shoot him in the chest.

The 21 foot "rule" is there for a reason when dealing with subjects armed with edged weapons.

Research has shown that an average person with good footing going from a dead stop will close the 21 foot distance in between 1.5 and 1.7 seconds.

As for "shooting to wound" there's several reasons why center mass is the aim point in situations like this.

One, an inch this way or an inch that way while shooting at a limb and you not only do not incapacitate the subject you probably just pissed them off that much more. We ran a medical call with the FD for a GSW. Two dudes were at an illegal club and got into a fight. When they were thrown out the resumed throwing hands in the parking lot. The dude getting his ass kicked pulled a .38 and shot his opponent in a leg and an arm, but missed bone and major arteries. When the PD arrived the man shot was on top of the gunman beating the ever-living **** out of him. The gunshot victim was released fromt he hospital several days before the shooter.

Two, you ever tried hitting a moving limb with a handgun?

Three, when you fire your weapon it is consider a use of lethal force even if you do not kill the suspect. You can put yourself in serious legal jeopardy if you state that you shot to wound because if the threat isn't serious enough to kill then lethal force wasn't the correct choice.