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RE: UTEP fires Offensive Coordinator
(09-20-2017 03:05 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  At that time in 2011 a lot of people wanted Willie Fritz from San Houston St. Instead we got one of old Bob's good buddies. Last season was suppose to be our big breakout season instead we hobbled to four wins. Some of the big money boosters wanted Kugler out and were willing to pay his buyout. Needless to say Stull didn't pull the trigger resulting in losing some major players. That's why he will no longer be the AD. Our problem has been that our AD has been more loyal to his coaching hires than to the university.

Ive never been high on Fritz, as a lower division coach he is/was good. And he took over a Jeff Monken team at GA Southern that was loaded and jumped ship while hot. I think you will finally see him hit his wall and sink at Tulane. He won 4 games there last year and I don't see but maybe 3-4 wins again this year.
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(09-20-2017 05:27 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 03:05 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  At that time in 2011 a lot of people wanted Willie Fritz from San Houston St. Instead we got one of old Bob's good buddies. Last season was suppose to be our big breakout season instead we hobbled to four wins. Some of the big money boosters wanted Kugler out and were willing to pay his buyout. Needless to say Stull didn't pull the trigger resulting in losing some major players. That's why he will no longer be the AD. Our problem has been that our AD has been more loyal to his coaching hires than to the university.

Ive never been high on Fritz, as a lower division coach he is/was good. And he took over a Jeff Monken team at GA Southern that was loaded and jumped ship while hot. I think you will finally see him hit his wall and sink at Tulane. He won 4 games there last year and I don't see but maybe 3-4 wins again this year.

Agreed...Tulane is a graveyard for anyone since that 1998 undefeated season. Three seasons with 6 or more wins since that year and averaging 4 wins over that 18 year period - that's just piss poor.
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(09-20-2017 05:38 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Agreed...Tulane is a graveyard for anyone since that 1998 undefeated season. Three seasons with 6 or more wins since that year and averaging 4 wins over that 18 year period - that's just piss poor.

To stretch that out even more here are the 3 lonely winning seasons:

2000 6-5 Wins
SMU 3-9
Cincinnati 7-5
ULL 1-10
Houston 3-8
Navy 1-10
Memphis 4-7
No Bowl Game

2002 8-5 Wins
Southern 6-6
Houston 5-7
ULM 3-9
Cincinnati 7-7 (extra game with Hawaii)
UAB 5-7
Navy 2-10
Southen Miss 7-6
Hawaii 10-4 - Hawai'i Bowl

2013 7-6 Wins
Jackson State 7-4
LA Tech 4-8
ULM 6-6
North Texas 9-4
ECU 10-3
Tulsa 3-9
UTEP 2-10
ULL lost NO Bowl

With the 21 wins over those 3 seasons only 5 wins are against teams with the winning record and 3 came against teams who were .500.
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The DC should be fired as well, and quick.
09-20-2017 06:56 PM
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(09-20-2017 03:05 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 02:40 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Why hire an OL coach for a Head Coaching job in the first place? Why not get a young, high-powered offensive coordinator from a P5 school. UTEP has the support when they're winning to be a great program. You could easily out-recruit New Mexico and anything in west Texas. Just have to get the right guy.

So you think going the Ellis Johnson route is the way to go all the time. As a Steelers fan I like Kugler on the Steelers staff. If I was picking a HC his name would have never been on my short list.

At the time I thought UTEP should have went after University Northern Arizona's HC Jerome Soures.
At that time in 2011 a lot of people wanted Willie Fritz from San Houston St. Instead we got one of old Bob's good buddies. Last season was suppose to be our big breakout season instead we hobbled to four wins. Some of the big money boosters wanted Kugler out and were willing to pay his buyout. Needless to say Stull didn't pull the trigger resulting in losing some major players. That's why he will no longer be the AD. Our problem has been that our AD has been more loyal to his coaching hires than to the university.

KC Keeler wouldn't be a bad hire this time around. I agree that UTEP has to try something unique. A pro style offense won't cut it if you don't have the horses.
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(09-20-2017 08:54 PM)correcamino Wrote:  KC Keeler wouldn't be a bad hire this time around. I agree that UTEP has to try something unique. A pro style offense won't cut it if you don't have the horses.

Keeler now has Sam Houston St rolling and he is now 58. My guess he stays in Huntsville another 7 years or so and retires.

I don't know how likely it would be but I would contact Chris Klineman at NDSU and gage his interest.
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I have no love for Thuglar. His response to the completely cheap shot on Heinicke was pathetic. May his head coaching tenure end soon in favor of a more principled coach.
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(09-21-2017 12:17 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I have no love for Thuglar. His response to the completely cheap shot on Heinicke was pathetic. May his head coaching tenure end soon in favor of a more principled coach.

You really know how to hold onto anger, don't you. I don't recall every cheap shot made by my team or against my team. It happens and hopefully is dealt with by penalty or even ejection if bad enough. Kugler has to go but to criticize and even hate him because of a cheap shot is ridiculous.
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(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Why hire an OL coach for a Head Coaching job in the first place? Why not get a young, high-powered offensive coordinator from a P5 school. UTEP has the support when they're winning to be a great program. You could easily out-recruit New Mexico and anything in west Texas. Just have to get the right guy.

Very good question and one that was asked by a lot of fans at the time. But once he was in charge, fans start to hope he is the right guy. In his second year the Miners won 7 and it created some additional hope.

Stull is responsible for screwing the FB program with this hire. I hope the new AD has more vision than Stull did and goes after a coach that has some proven ability as a head coach at some level.
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(09-21-2017 06:53 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Stull is responsible for screwing the FB program with this hire. I hope the new AD has more vision than Stull did and goes after a coach that has some proven ability as a head coach at some level.

I wouldn't put it in that broad of a context or you might end up with someone like Tony Sanchez at UNLV. Or even Todd Dodge.
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(09-21-2017 10:45 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 06:53 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Stull is responsible for screwing the FB program with this hire. I hope the new AD has more vision than Stull did and goes after a coach that has some proven ability as a head coach at some level.

I wouldn't put it in that broad of a context or you might end up with someone like Tony Sanchez at UNLV. Or even Todd Dodge.

True. Maybe at least FCS level where recruiting is necessary, etc. It's always a crap shoot but at least some proven ability to head up a football program and win.
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(09-21-2017 12:51 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 10:45 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 06:53 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Stull is responsible for screwing the FB program with this hire. I hope the new AD has more vision than Stull did and goes after a coach that has some proven ability as a head coach at some level.

I wouldn't put it in that broad of a context or you might end up with someone like Tony Sanchez at UNLV. Or even Todd Dodge.

True. Maybe at least FCS level where recruiting is necessary, etc. It's always a crap shoot but at least some proven ability to head up a football program and win.

Someone like Bo Pelini of FCS Youngstown St.
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(09-21-2017 07:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Someone like Bo Pelini of FCS Youngstown St.

I know in the Nebraska thread I just said he should have never been fired, but that doesn't mean I would want him leading my school. The man is Yougstown scum with his buddy Jim Tressel. He is under fire right now for recruiting a convicted rapist. Pelini said he wouldn't play him this year, the kid just sued the university and won an injunction to play this year. Guess what Pelini played him on Sat against Central Conn. State.
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(09-21-2017 06:53 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Why hire an OL coach for a Head Coaching job in the first place? Why not get a young, high-powered offensive coordinator from a P5 school. UTEP has the support when they're winning to be a great program. You could easily out-recruit New Mexico and anything in west Texas. Just have to get the right guy.

Very good question and one that was asked by a lot of fans at the time. But once he was in charge, fans start to hope he is the right guy. In his second year the Miners won 7 and it created some additional hope.

Stull is responsible for screwing the FB program with this hire. I hope the new AD has more vision than Stull did and goes after a coach that has some proven ability as a head coach at some level.

I think it had a lot to do with the basketball program. After Gillispie, Sadler, and Barbee left as soon as they could, there was a lot of outcry that UTEP shouldn't be a a stepping stone for head coaches. So, we hired two safe head coaches to that end. Kugler is a UTEP grad, former player on our most successful team in the past 50 years, former UTEP assistant. Floyd grew up in El Paso for part of his childhood and was a long time UTEP assistant. The view was that neither would just up and leave. That's fine if they're successful. Not so much if they're not because it's hard to get rid of people so connected to the university.

There are still some out there hoping to find the next Don Haskins - someone who's going to stick around for 40. Maybe you get lucky and find someone. But, if that's what you're looking for, it's just not a realistic view of college athletics in the 21st century.
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(09-20-2017 05:27 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 03:05 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  At that time in 2011 a lot of people wanted Willie Fritz from San Houston St. Instead we got one of old Bob's good buddies.
Ive never been high on Fritz, as a lower division coach he is/was good. And he took over a Jeff Monken team at GA Southern that was loaded and jumped ship while hot. I think you will finally see him hit his wall and sink at Tulane. He won 4 games there last year and I don't see but maybe 3-4 wins again this year.
Hey, what’s up with CUSA these days?

Fritz at Tulane:

2016: 4-8 overall, 1-7 against AAC teams
2017: 5-7, 3-5
2018: 7-6, 5-3.
2019: 3-1, 1-0 so far.

8-2 overall for last 10 games.
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Looks like Fritz is going to work out after all. Yay. Now run along.
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Just waking up and saw the title and thought, wow, already! Then i noticed that i started the thread and it was 2 years old. Too weird.
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(09-21-2019 06:51 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Just waking up and saw the title and thought, wow, already! Then i noticed that i started the thread and it was 2 years old. Too weird.

Lol. Nothing to see here, you can go back to sleep.
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UTEP fires Offensive Coordinator
I was imagining Herdzoned with a post if he had been watching the game last night...
At halftime, something like:

I told you Fritz was going to hit the wall and it is happening tonight.
Barely made it above .500 last year and they’ll be lucky to even get to .500 this year. They’re getting blown out and will soon be 2-2 and 0-1 heading into the meat of the conference schedule. He’s obviously over his head getting blown out by an average Houston squad tonight.
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