I've watched a million games at The GB and NEVER have I seen a worse officiating crew. I'm not a big proponent of blaming refs, but, they were the worse I've ever seen. The first half disparity was Toledo 13 flags, Tulsa 1. I bet MOB sends a scathing e-mail to the MAC Commisioner who will do his usual nothing.

But what a great game anyhow.
GO ROCKETS!!!

(09-16-2017 10:48 PM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  I've watched a million games at The GB and NEVER have I seen a worse officiating crew. I'm not a big proponent of blaming refs, but, they were the worse I've ever seen. The first half disparity was Toledo 13 flags, Tulsa 1. I bet MOB sends a scathing e-mail to the MAC Commisioner who will do his usual nothing.

100% agree But I believe and anyone out in Rocket-land please correct me if I am wrong they were a Tulsa's conferences officiating crew. MOB might be able to get them never to be able to able to do a game here but that is probably it.

Credit where credit is due. I hope to goodness our team is not that undisciplined.

I called a number of our penalties from my seat before a flag even flew. We were awful in that regard. The refs screwed up some but I got so sick of seeing guys block Tulsa defenders in the back I could've screamed. Wait, I DID scream. The play clock thing was a total brain-dead move and they seemed a bit flummoxed at the pace, but I blame the Rockets for much of the frequency of calls against us. The paucity of calls against Tulsa was perplexing.

(09-16-2017 11:04 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 10:48 PM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  I've watched a million games at The GB and NEVER have I seen a worse officiating crew. I'm not a big proponent of blaming refs, but, they were the worse I've ever seen. The first half disparity was Toledo 13 flags, Tulsa 1. I bet MOB sends a scathing e-mail to the MAC Commisioner who will do his usual nothing.

100% agree But I believe and anyone out in Rocket-land please correct me if I am wrong they were a Tulsa's conferences officiating crew. MOB might be able to get them never to be able to able to do a game here but that is probably it.

Those were AAC officials. There were MAC officials in the replay booth.

After the first half I was convinced that these refs were actively trying to give the game to Tulsa, but then on the final UT drive they made a couple of devastating calls against Tulsa, so without arguing whether the refs were incompetent or not, I don't think that they were as biased as I first thought. I may be wrong but I think that on that crucial delay of game penalty on Toledo in the first half, the refs forgot to reset the play clock and that is probably why Candle was fuming at the refs when he got hit with the 15 yard unsportsmanlike call.

Refs aside, the Rockets have definitely been going the wrong direction viz-a-viz penalties. Game 1: 2 for 20 yards ; Game 2: 14 for 110 yards; Game 3: 15 for 164 yards. The trend is exactly the opposite of how it is suppose to work and definitely needs some coaching attention---This trend is totally unacceptable and unsustainable---what's next 20 for 250 yards?

(09-17-2017 06:53 AM)T-Town Wrote:  After the first half I was convinced that these refs were actively trying to give the game to Tulsa, but then on the final UT drive they made a couple of devastating calls against Tulsa, so without arguing whether the refs were incompetent or not, I don't think that they were as biased as I first thought. I may be wrong but I think that on that crucial delay of game penalty on Toledo in the first half, the refs forgot to reset the play clock and that is probably why Candle was fuming at the refs when he got hit with the 15 yard unsportsmanlike call.

Refs aside, the Rockets have definitely been going the wrong direction viz-a-viz penalties. Game 1: 2 for 20 yards ; Game 2: 14 for 110 yards; Game 3: 15 for 164 yards. The trend is exactly the opposite of how it is suppose to work and definitely needs some coaching attention---This trend is totally unacceptable and unsustainable---what's next 20 for 250 yards?

When we face better competition we'll really suffer if that doesn't get fixed.

No-calls would be hard to confirm but re-watching the first half, refs were dead-on everytime: by replay, by commentator and by my own eyes.

It was the team that sucked. And I'm sure that's been made clear to them by the coach. Thompson's block out of bounds might seem "unfair" but it was called correctly. The Tulsa tackle on the same play began on the green and landed out of bounds. A correct non-call.

As a fan, it just sucks having to wait and see if there is a yellow hanky, laying back at the line if scrimmage after every 40+ yd play.

The team has to clean up these mistakes or it will cost us a game or three.

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My biggest complaint with that crew was how they marked the ball ready for play. They were often late to do so & out of sync with the play clock operator, and the ref should have nipped that in the bud early. Don't know how many times we had an official standing over the ball while the play clock ticked inside of 15 seconds--more than 3 times if I recall correctly. That's either on him or the clock operator. Most of the penalties I thought were warranted. There were a couple calls that IMO were made by officials who weren't in the best spot to make the call, whereas officials closer to the play didn't throw a flag.

Kudos to the replay official though--looks like they got everything (even a couple I wish they hadn't),

(09-17-2017 09:22 AM)emanoh Wrote:  As a fan, it just sucks having to wait and see if there is a yellow hanky, laying back at the line if scrimmage after every 40+ yd play.

The team has to clean up these mistakes or it will cost us a game or three.

I tend to find myself doing that also. Not fun.

(09-16-2017 11:19 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I called a number of our penalties from my seat before a flag even flew. We were awful in that regard. The refs screwed up some but I got so sick of seeing guys block Tulsa defenders in the back I could've screamed. Wait, I DID scream. The play clock thing was a total brain-dead move and they seemed a bit flummoxed at the pace, but I blame the Rockets for much of the frequency of calls against us. The paucity of calls against Tulsa was perplexing.

Agree. Other than the clock thing, all the UT penalties that you could see on the feed were clear and unambiguous. It wasn't the refs, it was the continual lack of discipline of the players on the field.

There was one egregious non-call on Tulsa that I haven't seen mentioned. On the 2 point return one of the Tulsa players not only grabbed the facemask of Holman, but actually ripped his helmet off and tossed it on the sidelines. I didn't notice it at first, but saw that Holman didn't have his helmet on at the end of the play, and so had to go back and rewatch the play to see what happened. Perhaps that's what the refs were looking at after the play, but I thought they were just checking that Teachey didn't step out of bounds.

Practically, it didn't matter because we scored, and even if we hadn't a penalty wouldn't have given us a do-over on the return. But still he should have been flagged.

Play clock aside, if anything, second half "miss-calls" hurt Tulsa more than UT but then also, so did their not-possibly-controversial penalties. That targeting was just a purely dumb move.

(09-17-2017 10:09 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 11:19 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I called a number of our penalties from my seat before a flag even flew. We were awful in that regard. The refs screwed up some but I got so sick of seeing guys block Tulsa defenders in the back I could've screamed. Wait, I DID scream. The play clock thing was a total brain-dead move and they seemed a bit flummoxed at the pace, but I blame the Rockets for much of the frequency of calls against us. The paucity of calls against Tulsa was perplexing.

Agree. Other than the clock thing, all the UT penalties that you could see on the feed were clear and unambiguous. It wasn't the refs, it was the continual lack of discipline of the players on the field.

There was one egregious non-call on Tulsa that I haven't seen mentioned. On the 2 point return one of the Tulsa players not only grabbed the facemask of Holman, but actually ripped his helmet off and tossed it on the sidelines. I didn't notice it at first, but saw that Holman didn't have his helmet on at the end of the play, and so had to go back and rewatch the play to see what happened. Perhaps that's what the refs were looking at after the play, but I thought they were just checking that Teachey didn't step out of bounds.

Practically, it didn't matter because we scored, and even if we hadn't a penalty wouldn't have given us a do-over on the return. But still he should have been flagged.

Agreed, as you stated, "it was the continual lack of discipline of the players on the field". I sat in the front row and saw many of the fouls happen right in front of me. Fans were pissed, but most of them were obvious. Players need to learn how to be "fired up", yet still disciplined enough to follow the rules of the game. Hopefully this get cleaned up. That all said, nothing takes away from the heroic effort the team put forth last night after we went down by 21 points. I think they finally did figure out how to play disciplined yet still carry that chip on their shoulder throughout the 2nd half. That is why we saw the frustration penalties start flying the other direction when the game was on the line.

(09-17-2017 06:53 AM)T-Town Wrote:  After the first half I was convinced that these refs were actively trying to give the game to Tulsa, but then on the final UT drive they made a couple of devastating calls against Tulsa, so without arguing whether the refs were incompetent or not, I don't think that they were as biased as I first thought. I may be wrong but I think that on that crucial delay of game penalty on Toledo in the first half, the refs forgot to reset the play clock and that is probably why Candle was fuming at the refs when he got hit with the 15 yard unsportsmanlike call.

Refs aside, the Rockets have definitely been going the wrong direction viz-a-viz penalties. Game 1: 2 for 20 yards ; Game 2: 14 for 110 yards; Game 3: 15 for 164 yards. The trend is exactly the opposite of how it is suppose to work and definitely needs some coaching attention---This trend is totally unacceptable and unsustainable---what's next 20 for 250 yards?

That was a fixable solution that the refs did not step in and correct. They would not let Toledo snap the ball because of the substitution rules and when the ref finally stepped away there was only 4 seconds left on the clock and Toledo did not have a chance to survey the field and make an offensive play audible from the sideline.

That was nothing but incompetence by the refs - and it was almost a game changer. We get hit with a 15 yard unsportsmanlike call after Candle lit into the official - and it was either the next play or the one after that in which Woodside threw the pick six. Pretty sure it was 2 plays later because I believe they had a hand off to Swanson before the pick.

(09-16-2017 11:19 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I called a number of our penalties from my seat before a flag even flew. We were awful in that regard. The refs screwed up some but I got so sick of seeing guys block Tulsa defenders in the back I could've screamed. Wait, I DID scream. The play clock thing was a total brain-dead move and they seemed a bit flummoxed at the pace, but I blame the Rockets for much of the frequency of calls against us. The paucity of calls against Tulsa was perplexing.

I watched the replay this morning and made a couple of observations

- of the 15 penalties on Toledo, there were 3 that I would have said were completely wrong call.

- the refs seemed to know the Tulsa team fairly well. A lot of joking around going on between officials and players or the coaches. I always thought it was a penalty for a player to drape his arm over the shoulders of an official. Maybe it is NCAA basketball where a technical is supposed to be called. I'm either imagining this or can't specifically cite where this occurred recently and a penalty was called.

- the pass interference call made by the guy defending Thompson on the final drive was a bogus call. At least it went in our favor for once.

- the offsides call against Odeniyi was one of the bad calls. He had to use a micrometer to determine if he was offsides. Would literally have been by a fingernail being across the line. Incomplete pass and they get another shot and eventually score a few plays later.

(09-17-2017 12:04 PM)ToledoMike Wrote:  ... That all said, nothing takes away from the heroic effort the team put forth last night after we went down by 21 points. I think they finally did figure out how to play disciplined yet still carry that chip on their shoulder throughout the 2nd half. That is why we saw the frustration penalties start flying the other direction when the game was on the line.

With all the other, so very easy for this to get buried but under any circumstance or reason, it's not easy to motivate people, kids to get off the floor when they're that far down. Excellent coaching and player leadership there.

there were a couple of bad calls and I think attempts by the refs to switch momentum... some of the calls against Toledo when I saw the replay... I was like yelling at the screen at the UT players... WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!! I think it was the NON calls that hurt Toledo the most... there were some major holding going on that the refs looked the other way...

(09-17-2017 12:38 PM)KingBob Wrote:  there were a couple of bad calls and I think attempts by the refs to switch momentum... some of the calls against Toledo when I saw the replay... I was like yelling at the screen at the UT players... WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!! I think it was the NON calls that hurt Toledo the most... there were some major holding going on that the refs looked the other way...

This. Tulsa could vastly improve their defense by switching their o-line to defense. They had some awesome tackles on our pass rushers.