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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
I guess by the same measure, TCU should stop playing SMU.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-16-2017 09:48 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(09-16-2017 09:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Interesting choice of analogy. On a related note...

Maybe UCONN should schedule Rice. We may actually be competitive against them.

If UConn, ECU, and Cincy played a round robin football tourney would any team win a game?

you really shouldn't insult UCONN and Cincy that way.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-17-2017 05:15 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(09-17-2017 11:50 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-17-2017 09:37 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  P6 arrogance is gross, I've always been a rice fan and a cougar, heck I think I've been to more rice games than anything else, including Oilers, cougars, gamblers, maybe because I grew up in west U, so yeah I want to play rice at rice and on Cullen
Question is, dose rice want to play us all the time, those dudes have a very different way of thinking...

Me too. I like to see Rice win when we aren't playing and try to make a game at Rice every year if I can.

I think they want to play us. From a money stand point we draw power 5 attendance to thier campus and we are an incredibly cheap travel trip for the return game. So, financially--it's a no brainer. Other than a few very short gaps the series has been played annually since the 70's. That would indicate mutual interest. No reason to play it at NRG anymore. That's just a waste of money. Both schools have great venues to enjoy a nice fall night. No need to spend money renting out NRG.

The series has been played since the 70's because the teams were in the same conference most of the time. Whenever they split up, they stoppid playing.

Nope. It began in 1971, well before Houston began SWC play. Yes, there was a 4 year gap when Rice went to the WAC and Houston was in CUSA---but that was largely because both schools already had locked in much of their individual future OOC schedules when the SWC collapsed. The Bayou Bucket series began again just 4 years after the SWC shut down while Rice was still in the WAC. There was another short break when Hosuton left for the AAC--but it was quickly renewed. Like I said, from a dollars and cents standpoint---its kinda of a no brainer. Its a low expense travel game that usually draws better than most any conference game on either school's schedule.

Frankly, I think the last break was because the athletic department was a little put out with how they tooled us around at the last minute on accomodating our teams contracted use of Rice stadium during the construction of TDECU. We ended up moving a game from Rice to BBVA Compass due to last minute snags in the final rental agreement (like requiring us to use a tent for a locker room). Then, about the same time, Mack thought he had a deal for another Rice-UH game --but Rice drug its heels on finalizing because they were hoping to get a pay day game vs A&M. When they took that Aggie game so late---we almost ended up with 2 FCS games one year (Mack solved the issue at the last minute by getting UNLV to come here using that quirky 13th game option available to teams that play Hawaii).
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
Houston was a provisionary member of the SWC in 1971. Rice only started playing them after UH's membership was approved. Otherwise, they were trying to do all they could to stay the superior area program, perception-wise anyways. So in reality, it didn't start 'til UH was an acknowledged member of the conference.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-17-2017 09:37 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I guess by the same measure, TCU should stop playing SMU.

There's an argument for it, what does TCU gain from it? They could just as easily start a series with UNT or Texas State. TCU has passed SMU by almost completely.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-16-2017 11:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(09-16-2017 11:35 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Rice draws? I saw about 1000 Rice fans scattered about. For being within 5 miles as the crow flies they bring nobody. How about if they just brought their usual 5000 home game fans...is that too much to ask?

no WE draw for rice

look at any given year when we regularly played rice, we are on average 4/5k better than the average game

who cares if rice brings anyone...

I hate to admit (since the "rivalry" barely has a pulse) but this has some legs. I think though there is data to show the disconnect on the “rivalry”. In 20 all-time home games versus Rice they have exceed our home average 10 times (possibly 11 at the end of this season). So at worst they boost our attendance half the time (or just over half). 8 of the last 9 games (since 1999) have seen a 20.4% boost in attendance compared to our season average.

I think there is a segment of our fan base that grew up and became fans and have been around for the entirety of this series. If you take out the anomalies in 1973 and 1975 Rice all-time actually is a 1.2% decrease in our season average. Basically I think it depends on when you got some skin in the game so to speak if your younger it means more, and if you’re older it means even less. While this is certainly an easy win and (at least in recent memory) a boost in attendance it has zero buzz.

So let's go back and take a look at home games versus Rice all-time.

2017: 38900 (Season Avg. TBD)
2013: 34831 (Season Avg. 25766) 35%
2011: 32112 (Season Avg. 31730) 1%
2009: 28243 (Season Avg. 25241) 12%
2007: 26514 (Season Avg. 20871) 27%
2005: 12125 (Season Avg. 15054) -20%*
2003: 25355 (Season Avg. 17581) 44%
2001: 23985 (Season Avg. 19457) 23%
1999: 31784 (Season Avg. 22590) 41%
1994: 14963 (Season Avg. 21308) -30%*
1992: 15006 (Season Avg. 22366) -33%*
1990: 24130 (Season Avg. 26589) -11%*
1988: 16923 (Season Avg. 23276) -27%*
1986: 10399 (Season Avg. 15461) -33%*
1984: 30123 (Season Avg. 27326) 10%
1982: 20103 (Season Avg. 30269) -34%*
1980: 29950 (Season Avg. 33230) -10%*
1978: 33186 (Season Avg. 39253) -15%*
1975: 35585 (Season Avg. 21849) 62%
1973: 43917 (Season Avg. 27094) 62%
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-18-2017 06:58 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Houston was a provisionary member of the SWC in 1971. Rice only started playing them after UH's membership was approved. Otherwise, they were trying to do all they could to stay the superior area program, perception-wise anyways. So in reality, it didn't start 'til UH was an acknowledged member of the conference.

They were the only SWC team to play us in 71. Lets be honest, that game wasnt scheduled in 71. It was schedeuled earlier.
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Not necessarily. They didn't necessarily schedule years in advance like is done now. For all we know, it could have been scheduled in the Spring of that year. Show me something concrete.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-18-2017 04:01 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Not necessarily. They didn't necessarily schedule years in advance like is done now. For all we know, it could have been scheduled in the Spring of that year. Show me something concrete.

Thats a pretty desperate reach. They didnt necessarily schedule years ahead, but they certainly did schedule more than a few months ahead. That said, youre the one making the fairly far fetched claim that the game was thrown together just a few months before camp started. The burden of proof falls to you. There was no internet in '71---so good luck finding proof of that. The reality is we have veered far from my original point----which was simply that the game has been played pretty regularly since 1971 (even when we were not in the same conference).

By the way---I personally dont really care much about the game, I just happen to think it makes a ton of sense for us for a number of reasons.

1) The students love it.

2) It draws well

3) Its generally a win (and winning is good for our attendance).

4) The return game has virtually no travel costs and our kids dont have to deal with the typical road game routine.

5) Our fans often outnumber Rice fans when the game is in thier building---thus giving us an extra quasi-home game every other year.

6) Other than SMU, its the only former SWC team we regularly play.

Bottom line----There's a lot more upside to the game than downside.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
That's fine. I just think it's an uneven and thus unfair relationship. They don't travel well and when games are there, they generally are outnumbered by Houston fans. The series, recently and historically, is a blowout and actually much closer than it should be (many of Rice's wins were upsets by 3 points or less).

I'd be more in favor of more games with Texas State and UTSA, at least they have fans and fans that travel, more than Rice does a few miles across town. Even Prairie View, Sam, Lamar and TSU would travel more fans.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
TCU and SMU first played in 1915. They've played 97 times and the series is relatively close.

UH and Rice first played in 1971 and Houston leads the series 30-11.

These two rivalry games are not close to being equal.
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(09-18-2017 08:47 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That's fine. I just think it's an uneven and thus unfair relationship. They don't travel well and when games are there, they generally are outnumbered by Houston fans. The series, recently and historically, is a blowout and actually much closer than it should be (many of Rice's wins were upsets by 3 points or less).

I'd be more in favor of more games with Texas State and UTSA, at least they have fans and fans that travel, more than Rice does a few miles across town. Even Prairie View, Sam, Lamar and TSU would travel more fans.

We do bring more to the table than Rice, but for now the game has more positives than negatives. I agree on the other regionals. We typically rotate through other regional G5's like UTSA and Texas St. I agree with you--they often bring a nice group to TDECU. I was especially impressed with number of Texas St fans that showed up last time.

For now, the 2 P5's and 2 regional G's OOC scheduling seems about right for us. Having Rice as one of the G5's works ok for now.
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(09-18-2017 10:49 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  TCU and SMU first played in 1915. They've played 97 times and the series is relatively close.

UH and Rice first played in 1971 and Houston leads the series 30-11.

These two rivalry games are not close to being equal.

Plus, one is private-private while the other is giant public-small private.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-17-2017 11:40 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-16-2017 11:48 PM)canewton Wrote:  I like when we play Rice. Hope we keep playing every year. Students love it.

THIS

The game is incredibly popular with the students. That's reason enough for It to happen every year. Hunter said he's trying to make sure we play Rice in all sports. While it may not necessarily get my juices going, it's a fact we always get a nice turn out for the game. The extra turn out, by the way, comes from our own fans. Rice brings very few fans. So---it's a no brainer to play Rice as it's basically an outreach program for our own fans.

The question I have is why do so few Rice fans make the trip of a few mile to TDECU? When we play at thier place, we often have as many or more fans than they do in attendance. Texas St and UTSA both brought decent sized traveling groups---both have 3 hour drives. Btw--I was especially impressed with the Texas St turnout at TDECU. They probably brought 3-5K fans at least. Not bad for a pretty new FBS program.
What's so exciting about playing Rice?

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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
We need to do something to get Rice fired up again. Maggard got the ball rolling with the "we should never lose to Rice in anything" statement but since then, the rivalry has died down. TBH, I think we should get something going with UTSA. A city vs city thing would be very interesting.
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
(09-18-2017 08:47 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That's fine. I just think it's an uneven and thus unfair relationship. They don't travel well and when games are there, they generally are outnumbered by Houston fans. The series, recently and historically, is a blowout and actually much closer than it should be (many of Rice's wins were upsets by 3 points or less).

The "rivalry" if you want to call it that does bore the heck out of me as well, but it does make sense to play them unfortunately for the many reasons listed previously. Most shocking after running the numbers was the clear increase in attendance (unlike the majority of the series) in the last roughly 20 years. Guess it does mean something to some people now.

As for the actual games you're spot on. Of the games we have lost we lost by an average of 11.4 points per game but that is thanks to some rare blowouts in the series (when Rice was competitive) such as 35-7 in 1980 or 37-7 in 1993.

In fact of the 11 loses 6 were by a TD or less. Some more fuel to the fire is the fact that Rice has only won two games in a row twice in 41 tries and the last time that happened was 2000-2001.

I can go on and on how boring this series is but bottom line its an easy win and a boost to the pocket books of the program so I'll take it..... even begrudgingly...... lol
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RE: It's time to stop playing Rice
I like playing Rice. It's a nice tune up game and it'll never be a true "road" game since we'll always have more fans even at their house.

Plus, the current students LOVE to play Rice. Just check out the signs and t-shirts from the student section last week.
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