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RE: ESPN distances itself from anchor Jemele Hill’s Trump tweets
(09-15-2017 04:48 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Nothing going to happen to a black female on a liberal agenda driven network. Just do what most people do these days, watch the live stuff and that's all. Place has been a cess pool since Oberman.

I only watch ball games on ESPN. If I want political commentary, I'll watch the news. People watch sports as a means to escape reality for short periods of time. How the execs at ESPN fail to understand this really is mind boggling. ESPN has become unwatchable except for the actual sporting events.
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RE: ESPN distances itself from anchor Jemele Hill’s Trump tweets
Jemele has gone down the racist road many times over her time at ESPN - it is usually much more subtle. I watched The Sports Reporters pretty regularly and when she was on, she would go there a lot. I don't want to single her out, she was not alone by any means in doing that. But the point is that she has been known to "racialize" anything she can to meet her agenda whether it is relevant or not to the point at the time.

She is no different than any person of any race - you do what ever you can say or do to get a leg up. Do I think she cares about her minority brothers and sisters, yes I do; but I also think that she is self serving to get whatever she can as well.

This white supremacy thing is F-ing ludicrous. She is using her minority status as a shield to get away with making blasphemous statements because if she got fired for that, there would have been a discrimination lawsuit filed within the hour of the announcement and ESPN knows it.

Trump may be guilty of being an a-hole and even an elietist, but categorizing him with people who want to eradicate an entire race of people off of the plant is more than a stretch.
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RE: ESPN distances itself from anchor Jemele Hill’s Trump tweets
Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.
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RE: ESPN distances itself from anchor Jemele Hill’s Trump tweets
(09-15-2017 09:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Shilling has a history of tweeting crazy stuff. This is really the first time Hill has gone off the deep end.

Whether or not you like it, politics does seep into our sports lives and if you don't like it then you are going to have to stop watching sports. ESPN has chosen to not ignore the Elephant in the room and address the stories where sports and politics mesh. After all, the sports world is just a microcosmic of our actual lives.
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RE: ESPN distances itself from anchor Jemele Hill’s Trump tweets
(09-15-2017 09:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Shilling has a history of tweeting crazy stuff. This is really the first time Hill has gone off the deep end.

Whether or not you like it, politics does seep into our sports lives and if you don't like it then you are going to have to stop watching sports. ESPN has chosen to not ignore the Elephant in the room and address the stories where sports and politics mesh. After all, the sports world is just a microcosmic of our actual lives.

Fit, you actually come to the same conclusion that DownEast said in his post. ESPN has made their decision on the content they are going to provide.

Just as there was a market for Fox News to step up and fill the gap that the MSM provided for middle of the road to conservative minded people, another outlet needs to go all in and provide an alternative sports network for ESPN. Fox Sports is somewhat there, but they need to take it up a notch to compete at the same level as the four letter network.
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RE: ESPN distances itself from anchor Jemele Hill’s Trump tweets
(09-15-2017 09:36 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Shilling has a history of tweeting crazy stuff. This is really the first time Hill has gone off the deep end.

Whether or not you like it, politics does seep into our sports lives and if you don't like it then you are going to have to stop watching sports. ESPN has chosen to not ignore the Elephant in the room and address the stories where sports and politics mesh. After all, the sports world is just a microcosmic of our actual lives.

Fit, you actually come to the same conclusion that DownEast said in his post. ESPN has made their decision on the content they are going to provide.

Just as there was a market for Fox News to step up and fill the gap that the MSM provided for middle of the road to conservative minded people, another outlet needs to go all in and provide an alternative sports network for ESPN. Fox Sports is somewhat there, but they need to take it up a notch to compete at the same level as the four letter network.

Not exactly. DownEast is suggesting that the path that ESPN has taken is liberal simply because he doesn't like the current message. That isn't the case. ESPN has a number of segments on their programming that in fact is very conservative.

If you have ever watched 30 for 30, they are often times stories about families with very conservative values. Families from small towns who, for lack of a better word, "cling to their guns and Bibles".
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RE: ESPN distances itself from anchor Jemele Hill’s Trump tweets
(09-15-2017 09:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Shilling has a history of tweeting crazy stuff. This is really the first time Hill has gone off the deep end.

Whether or not you like it, politics does seep into our sports lives and if you don't like it then you are going to have to stop watching sports. ESPN has chosen to not ignore the Elephant in the room and address the stories where sports and politics mesh. After all, the sports world is just a microcosmic of our actual lives.

Not really, she was suspended in 08' per the post in page 4. You can excuse it if you want, as I said ESPN can put on TV whatever they want. Im a live and let live guy, ESPN has the right to have it's employees show up at Antifa movements if they want.

So yes, Beck's point does hold water, there is zero double standard at ESPN. They support and hire employees that have a left leaning political view and choose to speak about it on air. It's really not up for debate, that is a fact.

You are correct about one thing though, we don't have to watch which is why I said I don't. Only watch actual live sporting events where about 98% of the time they stay away from voice their opinion one way or another if something comes up.
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(09-15-2017 09:36 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Shilling has a history of tweeting crazy stuff. This is really the first time Hill has gone off the deep end.

Whether or not you like it, politics does seep into our sports lives and if you don't like it then you are going to have to stop watching sports. ESPN has chosen to not ignore the Elephant in the room and address the stories where sports and politics mesh. After all, the sports world is just a microcosmic of our actual lives.

Fit, you actually come to the same conclusion that DownEast said in his post. ESPN has made their decision on the content they are going to provide.

Just as there was a market for Fox News to step up and fill the gap that the MSM provided for middle of the road to conservative minded people, another outlet needs to go all in and provide an alternative sports network for ESPN. Fox Sports is somewhat there, but they need to take it up a notch to compete at the same level as the four letter network.


But is FOX going to offset by going sports "right" - like their news, or are they going to just try to put good sports on TV and avoid the politics.

It is hard [maybe impossible] to keep sports and politics 100% separate, but ESPN is not even trying - and that is why so many are turned off (and turning off).

ESPN is feeding the fire by letting their "personalities" wear their politics on their sleeve on TV. If you are empowered to say it there, why would the feel like they can't on their own time (and to the extreme) too. I am not a JH fan at all - I think she is a terrible sportscaster, but I am OK with here voicing her opinion whether I agree with it or not - I don't have to listen to it if I don't want to.
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(09-15-2017 09:51 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Shilling has a history of tweeting crazy stuff. This is really the first time Hill has gone off the deep end.

Whether or not you like it, politics does seep into our sports lives and if you don't like it then you are going to have to stop watching sports. ESPN has chosen to not ignore the Elephant in the room and address the stories where sports and politics mesh. After all, the sports world is just a microcosmic of our actual lives.

Not really, she was suspended in 08' per the post in page 4. You can excuse it if you want, as I said ESPN can put on TV whatever they want. Im a live and let live guy, ESPN has the right to have it's employees show up at Antifa movements if they want.

So yes, Beck's point does hold water, there is zero double standard at ESPN. They support and hire employees that have a left leaning political view and choose to speak about it on air. It's really not up for debate, that is a fact.

You are correct about one thing though, we don't have to watch which is why I said I don't. Only watch actual live sporting events where about 98% of the time they stay away from voice their opinion one way or another if something comes up.

You totally missed the portion of my post where I pointed out where ESPN does a lot of programming that promotes conservative values.
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(09-15-2017 09:53 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  But is FOX going to offset by going sports "right" - like their news, or are they going to just try to put good sports on TV and avoid the politics.

Hopefully avoid the politics.

Quote:It is hard [maybe impossible] to keep sports and politics 100% separate

No it isn't. You cover the sports and the highlights. If necessary, you give the news and cut the opinion.

Quote:ESPN is feeding the fire by letting their "personalities" wear their politics on their sleeve on TV.


Absolutely.
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(09-15-2017 09:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You totally missed the portion of my post where I pointed out where ESPN does a lot of programming that promotes conservative values.

Like what?
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(09-15-2017 10:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You totally missed the portion of my post where I pointed out where ESPN does a lot of programming that promotes conservative values.

Like what?

Ever watch 30 for 30?

Most of those shows are about good, God fearing people who live in small towns are patriotic and support their local football or basketball team. Communities that take care of their own and serve their country.

I watch those programs and think, " Now that's what people mean when they talk about good conservatives values. Where everyone goes to church, eat together and watch sports as a family.
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(09-15-2017 09:53 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:36 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Glenn Beck made a pretty good point about this yesterday, ESPN has not displayed a double standard towards Hill vs. the Schilling deal.

They have made it very clear they are a leftist, lib organization. They promote left leaning political commentary by their employees so of course Hill was not going to get reprimanded. And really, that's their right, but that's also why they are heading down hill so fast. That's why I literally NEVER watch ESPN unless it's college football season. I used to watch the NFL pregame show and I even stopped that and now watch the CBS and Fox Pregame shows.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Shilling has a history of tweeting crazy stuff. This is really the first time Hill has gone off the deep end.

Whether or not you like it, politics does seep into our sports lives and if you don't like it then you are going to have to stop watching sports. ESPN has chosen to not ignore the Elephant in the room and address the stories where sports and politics mesh. After all, the sports world is just a microcosmic of our actual lives.

Fit, you actually come to the same conclusion that DownEast said in his post. ESPN has made their decision on the content they are going to provide.

Just as there was a market for Fox News to step up and fill the gap that the MSM provided for middle of the road to conservative minded people, another outlet needs to go all in and provide an alternative sports network for ESPN. Fox Sports is somewhat there, but they need to take it up a notch to compete at the same level as the four letter network.


But is FOX going to offset by going sports "right" - like their news, or are they going to just try to put good sports on TV and avoid the politics.

It is hard [maybe impossible] to keep sports and politics 100% separate, but ESPN is not even trying - and that is why so many are turned off (and turning off).

ESPN is feeding the fire by letting their "personalities" wear their politics on their sleeve on TV. If you are empowered to say it there, why would the feel like they can't on their own time (and to the extreme) too. I am not a JH fan at all - I think she is a terrible sportscaster, but I am OK with here voicing her opinion whether I agree with it or not - I don't have to listen to it if I don't want to.

EverRespect sort of covered it, but I think avoiding politics is the way to go. I think Fox Sports would be wise to play up and market the fact they are "Politics Free", just as Fox News marketed an alternative voice to the MSM. In fact, I think a formal marketing push should be implemented as I believe it attract a lot of the folks tired of ESPN's political rants.

As to JH, like you I take no issue with her voicing her opinions. However, just as she has the right to say what is on her mind, the consumer has the right to turn it off because they disagree or do not want to hear it.
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(09-15-2017 10:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You totally missed the portion of my post where I pointed out where ESPN does a lot of programming that promotes conservative values.

Like what?

Ever watch 30 for 30?

Most of those shows are about good, God fearing people who live in small towns are patriotic and support their local football or basketball team. Communities that take care of their own and serve their country.

I watch those programs and think, " Now that's what people mean when they talk about good conservatives values. Where everyone goes to church, eat together and watch sports as a family.

Nope.

If it isn't a live game I don't watch ESPN because of their politics. If I want to hear leftist politics I turn the channel to CNN. Or NBC. Or CBS. Or ABC. Or PBS.
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(09-15-2017 10:14 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You totally missed the portion of my post where I pointed out where ESPN does a lot of programming that promotes conservative values.

Like what?

Ever watch 30 for 30?

Most of those shows are about good, God fearing people who live in small towns are patriotic and support their local football or basketball team. Communities that take care of their own and serve their country.

I watch those programs and think, " Now that's what people mean when they talk about good conservatives values. Where everyone goes to church, eat together and watch sports as a family.

Nope.

If it isn't a live game I don't watch ESPN because of their politics. If I want to hear leftist politics I turn the channel to CNN. Or NBC. Or CBS. Or ABC. Or PBS.

So you aren't open minded to other points of view?
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The only points of view I want to hear on ESPN is something like who's better, MJ or LeBron. I'm not interested in knowing a sports personality's opinion of Donald Trump on a sports network. If the personality's opinion is that smart and sought after, they can get a side gig as a contributor on Fox News or something and when I tune into that channel, that is what I'll be looking for.
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(09-15-2017 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:14 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 09:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You totally missed the portion of my post where I pointed out where ESPN does a lot of programming that promotes conservative values.

Like what?

Ever watch 30 for 30?

Most of those shows are about good, God fearing people who live in small towns are patriotic and support their local football or basketball team. Communities that take care of their own and serve their country.

I watch those programs and think, " Now that's what people mean when they talk about good conservatives values. Where everyone goes to church, eat together and watch sports as a family.

Nope.

If it isn't a live game I don't watch ESPN because of their politics. If I want to hear leftist politics I turn the channel to CNN. Or NBC. Or CBS. Or ABC. Or PBS.

So you aren't open minded to other points of view?

When I want to watch sports analysis I want them to talk about sports. The play on the field, the personnel moves, the coaching strategy, etc.

I don't want to hear about some idiotic protest by some ill guided idiot, or hear the latest SJW buzzword, etc.

I watch CNN and MSNBC from time to time. I read the BBC website daily. I get plenty of the misguided leftist point of view so I don't need to hear it when I'm looking for something other than politics.
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(09-15-2017 10:28 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:14 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Like what?

Ever watch 30 for 30?

Most of those shows are about good, God fearing people who live in small towns are patriotic and support their local football or basketball team. Communities that take care of their own and serve their country.

I watch those programs and think, " Now that's what people mean when they talk about good conservatives values. Where everyone goes to church, eat together and watch sports as a family.

Nope.

If it isn't a live game I don't watch ESPN because of their politics. If I want to hear leftist politics I turn the channel to CNN. Or NBC. Or CBS. Or ABC. Or PBS.

So you aren't open minded to other points of view?

When I want to watch sports analysis I want them to talk about sports. The play on the field, the personnel moves, the coaching strategy, etc.

I don't want to hear about some idiotic protest by some ill guided idiot, or hear the latest SJW buzzword, etc.

I watch CNN and MSNBC from time to time. I read the BBC website daily. I get plenty of the misguided leftist point of view so I don't need to hear it when I'm looking for something other than politics.

Point taken.
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(09-15-2017 07:04 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 04:48 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Nothing going to happen to a black female on a liberal agenda driven network. Just do what most people do these days, watch the live stuff and that's all. Place has been a cess pool since Oberman.

I only watch ball games on ESPN. If I want political commentary, I'll watch the news. People watch sports as a means to escape reality for short periods of time. How the execs at ESPN fail to understand this really is mind boggling. ESPN has become unwatchable except for the actual sporting events.


Even then you've got some of these idiots lecturing on things like gun control and whatever else (I think that was dipschit Costas, but still, sports), it's pervasive.

Everyone's got a microphone and the left expects them all to use that to push their agenda. Non-stop.
Remember the unrelenting pressure Tiger woods was getting some time back for NOT pushing the race victimization card?

It's relentless. Rust never sleeps.
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(09-15-2017 10:28 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:14 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-15-2017 10:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Like what?

Ever watch 30 for 30?

Most of those shows are about good, God fearing people who live in small towns are patriotic and support their local football or basketball team. Communities that take care of their own and serve their country.

I watch those programs and think, " Now that's what people mean when they talk about good conservatives values. Where everyone goes to church, eat together and watch sports as a family.

Nope.

If it isn't a live game I don't watch ESPN because of their politics. If I want to hear leftist politics I turn the channel to CNN. Or NBC. Or CBS. Or ABC. Or PBS.

So you aren't open minded to other points of view?

When I want to watch sports analysis I want them to talk about sports. The play on the field, the personnel moves, the coaching strategy, etc.

I don't want to hear about some idiotic protest by some ill guided idiot, or hear the latest SJW buzzword, etc.

I watch CNN and MSNBC from time to time. I read the BBC website daily. I get plenty of the misguided leftist point of view so I don't need to hear it when I'm looking for something other than politics.

No one with an honest opinion of Donald Trump is going to get a gig on Fox news.
09-15-2017 10:30 AM
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