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Yeah, makes sense. I know we don't spend as much time on training on the packages iy needs and it would be nice if folks got exposed to at least 1 class. It's a Ferrari, not a old f150 that'll run no matter what you do to it. The underlying infrastructure [network, storage, etc] is blamed when something doesn't work but nobody has any understanding of the software itself.

Mostly me venting. :) freaking engineers blaming my network, psh.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

(09-14-2017 05:27 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Learning Revit and BIM is primarily a need for the MEP industry, so I'm not sure if it should be a requirement unless ODU creates an MEP specialization.

Mechanical/Electrical engineers going into the shipyard, automotive industry, tool manufacturing, etc. will have no need for Revit or BIM programs.

Overall, I think teaching CAD is fine. At least for a bachelor's degree, the intent is to create a well-rounded student that can think critically and understand the details behind the overall picture...not know the nitty-gritty concepts/calcs/programs in various engineering industries. CAD classes do a good job of teaching students the basics of drawing (views, sections, details, schedules, etc.), which gives students a solid foundation for learning specialized programs in the future.

Regarding CAD. I think they need to make a course out of the NX software that the school has access to. I was just exposed to it on one of my classes. Wish I did that instead of inventor.

Please ....can we get back to the debate on what is causing the enrollment decline ? I still think it is related to our admissions approach and to the lack of focus on all aspects of improving the overall academic profile of the University. To change this direction will take tough choices including reevaluating academic offerings, pursuing new academic offerings (med. school, cyber, etc.), tightening admissions standards, and ensuring we are viewed as an inclusive and accepting University of all beliefs.

Maybe all the construction has something to do with it? Living next to a construction site might turn some people away?
The violence (off / near campus) shootings and robbery has not been helpful either.

(09-16-2017 06:25 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  Maybe all the construction has something to do with it? Living next to a construction site might turn some people away?
The violence (off / near campus) shootings and robbery has not been helpful either.

I would agree...areas around ODU and in off campus student housing is pitiful. I would say also I think the State telling UVA, JMU, and VT to take more in state student hurt us because some of those students would have likely come to ODU.

(09-16-2017 11:06 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 06:25 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  Maybe all the construction has something to do with it? Living next to a construction site might turn some people away?
The violence (off / near campus) shootings and robbery has not been helpful either.

I would agree...areas around ODU and in off campus student housing is pitiful. I would say also I think the State telling UVA, JMU, and VT to take more in state student hurt us because some of those students would have likely come to ODU.

Thats quite possible. But unlike ODU, the state didnt tell them they had to cater to students from their specific geographic area. With even the best schools in Hampton Roads being poor compared to NOVA and western VA that hurts us more than others too. If JMU and VT had to take more kids from within 30 miles of their campus instead of just in state it would help spread the burden around a bit. Frankly, I think if UVA, VT and WM went private it would actually help ODU and the rest of the state schools tremendously by freeing up more financial resources and state support. The trick then would be to keep it all from going to JMU and GMU.

The strive for diversity over excellence is a path for destruction.
Old Dominion has come so far but seems intent on going backwards in the name of diversity.
We should seek the best students from any and all backgrounds as long as they are the best students.
If we sacrifice academic ability for the goal of diversity - we are doomed as an institution.
That is the role of Community Colleges. Border line students prepare themselves in a CC for the rigors of a 4 year institution.
Statistics show that if diversity is the goal over academic prowess then alumni donations and ODAF will cease to exist as we know it.
UVA / VT / JMU don't seemed to be concerned about diversity - they want top tier students - period. They may state fake goals for diversity but they want the best students regardless of diversity.
I am very concerned for the future and fear all of our growth and advancement is in jeopardy.
I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in Old Dominion and it has me wondering why I give so much of my time and resources when the goals of the administration seem to be so contrary to logic and proven paths of success.

(09-18-2017 11:55 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  The strive for diversity over excellence is a path for destruction.
Old Dominion has come so far but seems intent on going backwards in the name of diversity.
We should seek the best students from any and all backgrounds as long as they are the best students.
If we sacrifice academic ability for the goal of diversity - we are doomed as an institution.
That is the role of Community Colleges. Border line students prepare themselves in a CC for the rigors of a 4 year institution.
Statistics show that if diversity is the goal over academic prowess then alumni donations and ODAF will cease to exist as we know it.
UVA / VT / JMU don't seemed to be concerned about diversity - they want top tier students - period. They may state fake goals for diversity but they want the best students regardless of diversity.
I am very concerned for the future and fear all of our growth and advancement is in jeopardy.
I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in Old Dominion and it has me wondering why I give so much of my time and resources when the goals of the administration seem to be so contrary to logic and proven paths of success.

FWIW, I don't think those are the goals of the administration, but rather the goals of the state legislature being forced upon the admin. We just need much better advocates in Richmond fighting for ODU. I so wish we could have gotten Paul Trible as ODUs President after Dr. Koch (and I liked Runte). Imagine ODU with the physical growth its had combined with the academic growth CNU has had. If that had happened and campus safety was improved we'd be an east coast urban version of JMU only with diversity.

(09-18-2017 11:07 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 11:06 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 06:25 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  Maybe all the construction has something to do with it? Living next to a construction site might turn some people away?
The violence (off / near campus) shootings and robbery has not been helpful either.

I would agree...areas around ODU and in off campus student housing is pitiful. I would say also I think the State telling UVA, JMU, and VT to take more in state student hurt us because some of those students would have likely come to ODU.

Thats quite possible. But unlike ODU, the state didnt tell them they had to cater to students from their specific geographic area. With even the best schools in Hampton Roads being poor compared to NOVA and western VA that hurts us more than others too. If JMU and VT had to take more kids from within 30 miles of their campus instead of just in state it would help spread the burden around a bit. Frankly, I think if UVA, VT and WM went private it would actually help ODU and the rest of the state schools tremendously by freeing up more financial resources and state support. The trick then would be to keep it all from going to JMU and GMU.

UVA has a $6B endowment. On top of that they have a $2B slush fund which was built with State funding and on the backs of Universities like ODU. Do you think our Democrat Governor will take that money back and redistribute that wealth to other Universities in need....HELL NO ! Nor will he give ODU 100% of it's funding, but will give UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU the funding they need. Why is that ? Don't forget ... they have the lowest minority student populations of all Universities in the state. As long as ODU is pursuing diversity, it keeps the pressure off the other Universities like UVA so the white Elitists can keep the high performing academic institutions for their own kind. Instead UVA makes token gestures like removing confederate plaques and banning open flames verses opening their doors to more minorities. They should be held accountable. The Tidewater region is looked down on by most every state legislator. If anyone thinks otherwise they are sadly mistaken. Norment previous statements are a testament to that sentiment.

Is the city of norfolk helping ODU, I really dont think they are as much as they should be.

(09-18-2017 03:36 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Is the city of norfolk helping ODU, I really dont think they are as much as they should be.

Good question. I don't know what the city could do other than increase security around the campus and make sure the properties surrounding it are up to code etc. Also fast tracking improvements to the area itself, such as the grocery store etc. Maybe designating SoCo (South Colley) as downtown ODU, or something like that. Encourage more coffee shops, music venues, book stores, galleries, bars etc to open there. The problem is, ODU probably wants that type of stuff in the sterile/generic village. Personally, I think all the businesses in the "village" except maybe the coffee shop and the bookstore should move to Colley or Hampton Blvd and the village fill in with research space, business incubators, and admin or student club offices. Theres much more character down by U-Pie, Cogans, Macks Barge, Dirty Buffalo and that could begin to have a legit "college town" vibe with a little luck.

(09-18-2017 03:36 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Is the city of norfolk helping ODU, I really dont think they are as much as they should be.

Helping how exactly?
Norfolk has helped ODU substantially expand it's borders

as for safety

https://www.odu.edu/news/2017/8/police_whitepaper

Though I don't really see too many cops around ODU. I do see them parked in the empty field on Hampton looking to catch speeders.
Used to see them all the time in the old Dirty Buffalo Parking lot snagging people for the no left turn between 4&6.

(09-18-2017 04:25 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 03:36 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Is the city of norfolk helping ODU, I really dont think they are as much as they should be.

Good question. I don't know what the city could do other than increase security around the campus and make sure the properties surrounding it are up to code etc. Also fast tracking improvements to the area itself, such as the grocery store etc. Maybe designating SoCo (South Colley) as downtown ODU, or something like that. Encourage more coffee shops, music venues, book stores, galleries, bars etc to open there. The problem is, ODU probably wants that type of stuff in the sterile/generic village. Personally, I think all the businesses in the "village" except maybe the coffee shop and the bookstore should move to Colley or Hampton Blvd and the village fill in with research space, business incubators, and admin or student club offices. Theres much more character down by U-Pie, Cogans, Macks Barge, Dirty Buffalo and that could begin to have a legit "college town" vibe with a little luck.

Bulldozing "historic" Lambert's Point would be a start.

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My dad in VB said he read in the paper that ODU's engineering school is suffering somehow. Anyone got a bead on this PilotOnline article or backstory?

(09-21-2017 10:06 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  My dad in VB said he read in the paper that ODU's engineering school is suffering somehow. Anyone got a bead on this PilotOnline article or backstory?

New Dean of Engineering walked into a crap show and is doing everything she can to improve the situation. Already has gotten additional funds, new goodies for the school and has made a bunch of connections with industry.

She has started an Engineering Ambassador program (I'm part of it) to help recruit new students, provide Q&A / show and tell sessions and other stuff. I HEARD a rumor that there has been or will be some clearing out of poor performers. No idea how that works with the state though.

(09-21-2017 12:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:06 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  My dad in VB said he read in the paper that ODU's engineering school is suffering somehow. Anyone got a bead on this PilotOnline article or backstory?

New Dean of Engineering walked into a crap show and is doing everything she can to improve the situation. Already has gotten additional funds, new goodies for the school and has made a bunch of connections with industry.

She has started an Engineering Ambassador program (I'm part of it) to help recruit new students, provide Q&A / show and tell sessions and other stuff. I HEARD a rumor that there has been or will be some clearing out of poor performers. No idea how that works with the state though.

Another example of how FECES U has passed us. Also another example of ODU admitting students that could not make it through the rigors of an engineering course of study. We catered to diversity instead of focusing on attracting the best and brightest. Plus we didn't address or pursue new cross discipline engineering fields of studies and we were left behind with irrelevant professors that brought no research funding and unable to teach what was needed. We were a very strong engineering program that became very arrogant as the world passed us by. Now we are playing catchup.

(09-21-2017 01:49 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:06 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  My dad in VB said he read in the paper that ODU's engineering school is suffering somehow. Anyone got a bead on this PilotOnline article or backstory?

New Dean of Engineering walked into a crap show and is doing everything she can to improve the situation. Already has gotten additional funds, new goodies for the school and has made a bunch of connections with industry.

She has started an Engineering Ambassador program (I'm part of it) to help recruit new students, provide Q&A / show and tell sessions and other stuff. I HEARD a rumor that there has been or will be some clearing out of poor performers. No idea how that works with the state though.

Another example of how FECES U has passed us. Also another example of ODU admitting students that could not make it through the rigors of an engineering course of study. We catered to diversity instead of focusing on attracting the best and brightest. Plus we didn't address or pursue new cross discipline engineering fields of studies and we were left behind with irrelevant professors that brought no research funding and unable to teach what was needed. We were a very strong engineering program that became very arrogant as the world passed us by. Now we are playing catchup.

Idk, I graduated in 2011 from the engineering school and there were some really smart students in my classes. To be honest I was probably at the bottom half as far as GPA. But I busted my ass to graduate and had no problem getting a job and pretty much everyone I know has a good job. I find it hard to think that we have a bad engineering program in 5-6 years.

But I do think that we let in kids that don't have a chance of graduating. The diversity thing is fine but should never come before academic excellence. And I personally think the diversity thing is really over played. When is the last time you heard an ODU administrator promote academic excellence.

(09-21-2017 03:28 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:49 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:06 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  My dad in VB said he read in the paper that ODU's engineering school is suffering somehow. Anyone got a bead on this PilotOnline article or backstory?

New Dean of Engineering walked into a crap show and is doing everything she can to improve the situation. Already has gotten additional funds, new goodies for the school and has made a bunch of connections with industry.

She has started an Engineering Ambassador program (I'm part of it) to help recruit new students, provide Q&A / show and tell sessions and other stuff. I HEARD a rumor that there has been or will be some clearing out of poor performers. No idea how that works with the state though.

Another example of how FECES U has passed us. Also another example of ODU admitting students that could not make it through the rigors of an engineering course of study. We catered to diversity instead of focusing on attracting the best and brightest. Plus we didn't address or pursue new cross discipline engineering fields of studies and we were left behind with irrelevant professors that brought no research funding and unable to teach what was needed. We were a very strong engineering program that became very arrogant as the world passed us by. Now we are playing catchup.

Idk, I graduated in 2011 from the engineering school and there were some really smart students in my classes. To be honest I was probably at the bottom half as far as GPA. But I busted my ass to graduate and had no problem getting a job and pretty much everyone I know has a good job. I find it hard to think that we have a bad engineering program in 5-6 years.

But I do think that we let in kids that don't have a chance of graduating. The diversity thing is fine but should never come before academic excellence. And I personally think the diversity thing is really over played. When is the last time you heard an ODU administrator promote academic excellence.

I hear it, but only at engineering meetings, and only when somebody has been offered free grad school due to their grades.

The Engineering school is ok. Students do pretty well... at least the ones that put in the work. The admin of the school is/was apparently a s*** show though. Hopefully Dr. Adams can bring use that VT experience to really crank things up.

Heard there are new degrees in the works as well. State just denied a Mechatronics Masters degree though.

(09-21-2017 03:33 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 03:28 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:49 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 10:06 AM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  My dad in VB said he read in the paper that ODU's engineering school is suffering somehow. Anyone got a bead on this PilotOnline article or backstory?

New Dean of Engineering walked into a crap show and is doing everything she can to improve the situation. Already has gotten additional funds, new goodies for the school and has made a bunch of connections with industry.

She has started an Engineering Ambassador program (I'm part of it) to help recruit new students, provide Q&A / show and tell sessions and other stuff. I HEARD a rumor that there has been or will be some clearing out of poor performers. No idea how that works with the state though.

Another example of how FECES U has passed us. Also another example of ODU admitting students that could not make it through the rigors of an engineering course of study. We catered to diversity instead of focusing on attracting the best and brightest. Plus we didn't address or pursue new cross discipline engineering fields of studies and we were left behind with irrelevant professors that brought no research funding and unable to teach what was needed. We were a very strong engineering program that became very arrogant as the world passed us by. Now we are playing catchup.

Idk, I graduated in 2011 from the engineering school and there were some really smart students in my classes. To be honest I was probably at the bottom half as far as GPA. But I busted my ass to graduate and had no problem getting a job and pretty much everyone I know has a good job. I find it hard to think that we have a bad engineering program in 5-6 years.

But I do think that we let in kids that don't have a chance of graduating. The diversity thing is fine but should never come before academic excellence. And I personally think the diversity thing is really over played. When is the last time you heard an ODU administrator promote academic excellence.

I hear it, but only at engineering meetings, and only when somebody has been offered free grad school due to their grades.

The Engineering school is ok. Students do pretty well... at least the ones that put in the work. The admin of the school is/was apparently a s*** show though. Hopefully Dr. Adams can bring use that VT experience to really crank things up.

Heard there are new degrees in the works as well. State just denied a Mechatronics Masters degree though.

Is she a VT grad?

Admittedly, I don't keep up with engineering as much since thats not my major, but I assumed ODU was still one of the best programs in the state in engineering and one of, if not the best, program in the school. Competitive on a somewhat national level. Is that no longer the case? What happened? What are the best programs at ODU now? I was under the impression engineering, oceanography, computer science, sports medicine/physical therapy and education were all quite strong.