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RE: JMU #7 South Regional University in 2018
(09-13-2017 07:53 AM)Potomac Wrote:  OT for this thread but I think it's relevant. There's a Virginia pilot article today about how ODU has to trim over 800k from it's athletic budget due to enrollment declines they've experienced lately.

I believe many state universities are seeing some enrollment decline, as is typical when an economy is performing well. You have some high school graduates who are more willing to entertain entry level or trade jobs and forgo going to college.

This is a separate discussion, but the era of "college makes life better" is over.

Trade/vocational skills have to come back, and I believe they will.
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(09-12-2017 10:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Yup...civil discourse...right?..

We have yet to see all the averages - but im just not sure why they matter in the face of three facts:

1 JMU is a good deal on price no matter how we slice it, as we heard from more than one check-cutter here
2 low endowment is in effect, so we need student fees, or we dont fund all sports equally (or something else slips)
3 we still are not National..and our academic profile has dropped a bit

Dude - Quit why you are behind. No we haven't seen all the averages but I looked at ~30 that would appear to be near ours (as the subsidy amount was high) and figured out the approximate per student amount. Not a single school was within striking distance except W&M.

They only matter in this thread because you brought them up using condensing tones and ALL CAPS and were wrong. Now that they don't fit your agenda, they don't matter and you pivot on to the next thing.
09-13-2017 09:27 AM
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(09-12-2017 11:20 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Agreed that regardless of the breakdown, JMU provides a GREAT ROI (I Kiplinger's does an ROI ranking where JMU receives ~ top 5 rating). But to use "the school already provides a great bargain" as an excuse (which you might not be doing) for high student student fees doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Looks like I was really outdated on the Kiplingers value rankings.
2011: JMU was 19th for public universities
2014: 22nd
2015: 34th
2016: 62nd

Given that CIS/COB is growing faster than the university as a whole (leading to higher starting salaries), and tuition has remained relatively flat, I wouldn't have expected JMU to drop.

http://www.kiplinger.com/article/college...-2017.html

Money Magazine had JMU as #46 school in the country (after looking at over 711).
http://time.com/money/best-colleges/rank...-colleges/
09-13-2017 09:38 AM
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(09-13-2017 09:27 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Yup...civil discourse...right?..

We have yet to see all the averages - but im just not sure why they matter in the face of three facts:

1 JMU is a good deal on price no matter how we slice it, as we heard from more than one check-cutter here
2 low endowment is in effect, so we need student fees, or we dont fund all sports equally (or something else slips)
3 we still are not National..and our academic profile has dropped a bit

Dude - Quit why you are behind. No we haven't seen all the averages but I looked at ~30 that would appear to be near ours (as the subsidy amount was high) and figured out the approximate per student amount. Not a single school was within striking distance except W&M.

They only matter in this thread because you brought them up using condensing tones and ALL CAPS and were wrong. Now that they don't fit your agenda, they don't matter and you pivot on to the next thing.


ha...AGAIN, breathe man... why are you making such a thing out of this? You're in a one-sided battle. no pivoting... those three statements hold true regardless of the split on fees / tuition - which was my original point. Go Dukes!
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(09-13-2017 09:44 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ha...AGAIN, breathe man... why are you making such a thing out of this? You're in a one-sided battle. no pivoting... those three statements hold true regardless of the split on fees / tuition - which was my original point. Go Dukes!

Making such a thing about making sure information presented is factual? I don't know, seems backwards to read something that is clearly incorrect on a message board and just ignore it. It is actually so common on this board that it has its own response, 'You just got BDK'ed.'
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If you want a real laugh you should take a look at the ODU board on this subject. Total meltdown by some of the geniuses over there that have come to believe their FBS status has somehow elevated the university's academic profile. In truth, ODU is experiencing declining enrollments and applications, which in turn has caused an $800k+ budget cut to their athletic program, and a hit in the most recent USNWR rankings (they are even lower ranked than before).

ODU plays UNC-Chapel Hill this weekend in ODU's itty-bitty, worn-out stadium. I wonder if ODU will play a full 60 minutes this time. ;-)
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(09-14-2017 12:45 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If you want a real laugh you should take a look at the ODU board on this subject. Total meltdown by some of the geniuses over there that have come to believe their FBS status has somehow elevated the university's academic profile. In truth, ODU is experiencing declining enrollments and applications, which in turn has caused an $800k+ budget cut to their athletic program, and a hit in the most recent USNWR rankings (they are even lower ranked than before).

ODU plays UNC-Chapel Hill this weekend in ODU's itty-bitty, worn-out stadium. I wonder if ODU will play a full 60 minutes this time. ;-)

ODU is playing at home against North Carolina. Repeat, ODU is playing at home against North Carolina.
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(09-14-2017 01:02 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 12:45 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If you want a real laugh you should take a look at the ODU board on this subject. Total meltdown by some of the geniuses over there that have come to believe their FBS status has somehow elevated the university's academic profile. In truth, ODU is experiencing declining enrollments and applications, which in turn has caused an $800k+ budget cut to their athletic program, and a hit in the most recent USNWR rankings (they are even lower ranked than before).

ODU plays UNC-Chapel Hill this weekend in ODU's itty-bitty, worn-out stadium. I wonder if ODU will play a full 60 minutes this time. ;-)

ODU is playing at home against North Carolina. Repeat, ODU is playing at home against North Carolina.

Yeah but let's be real UNC isn't REALLY ACC football. No way a top tier team would go there. "Tech is playing there." Yeah, but only for recruiting purposes. "Miami went to Boone." Dude, you don't know anything!
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(09-14-2017 01:23 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 01:02 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 12:45 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If you want a real laugh you should take a look at the ODU board on this subject. Total meltdown by some of the geniuses over there that have come to believe their FBS status has somehow elevated the university's academic profile. In truth, ODU is experiencing declining enrollments and applications, which in turn has caused an $800k+ budget cut to their athletic program, and a hit in the most recent USNWR rankings (they are even lower ranked than before).

ODU plays UNC-Chapel Hill this weekend in ODU's itty-bitty, worn-out stadium. I wonder if ODU will play a full 60 minutes this time. ;-)

ODU is playing at home against North Carolina. Repeat, ODU is playing at home against North Carolina.

Yeah but let's be real UNC isn't REALLY ACC football. No way a top tier team would go there. "Tech is playing there." Yeah, but only for recruiting purposes. "Miami went to Boone." Dude, you don't know anything!

Oh, come on. Any of UNC / VT / Miami or similar schools playing at JMU would be epic compared to our schedule today, and we would have a shot at that. AAC schools would be great too. Even App St. and ODU would be instant sellouts. There might be some arguments against FBS, but scheduling is not one of them.
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(09-14-2017 01:54 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 01:23 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 01:02 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 12:45 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If you want a real laugh you should take a look at the ODU board on this subject. Total meltdown by some of the geniuses over there that have come to believe their FBS status has somehow elevated the university's academic profile. In truth, ODU is experiencing declining enrollments and applications, which in turn has caused an $800k+ budget cut to their athletic program, and a hit in the most recent USNWR rankings (they are even lower ranked than before).

ODU plays UNC-Chapel Hill this weekend in ODU's itty-bitty, worn-out stadium. I wonder if ODU will play a full 60 minutes this time. ;-)

ODU is playing at home against North Carolina. Repeat, ODU is playing at home against North Carolina.

Yeah but let's be real UNC isn't REALLY ACC football. No way a top tier team would go there. "Tech is playing there." Yeah, but only for recruiting purposes. "Miami went to Boone." Dude, you don't know anything!

Oh, come on. Any of UNC / VT / Miami or similar schools playing at JMU would be epic compared to our schedule today, and we would have a shot at that. AAC schools would be great too. Even App St. and ODU would be instant sellouts. There might be some arguments against FBS, but scheduling is not one of them.

see the thread i just started on FBS scheduling.
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