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(09-11-2017 09:27 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Sorry, I forgot to mention Temple was in the Big East for, what, 12 or 13 years? So 7 out of 12 members have been in a power conference, with 6 of those in the recent past.

Also Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, East Carolina, and Navy all played very tough schedules in the independent days. Every team in this conference has had a taste of the good life, but we are actively being forced out.

Memphis wanted to be an independent so we could play 4 SEC teams each year.

We had home and homes with Ole Miss, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Mississippi State pretty much from 1960s-1990s. Add in we played Louisville and Southern Miss every year as well.
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(09-12-2017 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 06:20 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Questions for those fans: At what point did you start to believe you would no longer be in a conference that was considered a "major" conference or "power" conference? Aside from money, what is the difference regarding your program now, as opposed to then?

I first realized we were likely to be relegated when WVU, TCU, Syracuse, and Pitt all left the Big East between September and November 2011 with the BCS contract expiration coming due the next year.

The other AQ conferences had been wanting to boot the Big East from the AQ ranks for years, the only thing that had saved us was the BCS contract language.

IOW's, there was a decent chance we were going to get booted from AQ when the BCS deal expired, even with those schools. Without them we were 100% doomed.

At a football program level, the experience of moving from AQ to G5 hasn't been fully-impacted yet. You have to remember that financially, the Big East was always the tail-end of AQ, so it's not like we went from getting $25m a year from a conference to $2m. With the distribution of Big East legacy money, we have been getting pretty much the same money that we did during the Big East days, though that is coming to an end very soon.

Pride-wise, recall again that the Big East was (unfairly, but still) regarded as the 'runt' of the AQ litter, so we were never accorded the same prestige/status as schools in the other AQ conferences got, and the AAC is given more respect than other G5.

So while we did take a prestige hit, it wasn't a huge hit, like it would be for say an SEC school going to C-USA. All that said, it still .... sucks big time.

Great insight. Thanks.
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(09-11-2017 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 10:13 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  ECU Football was accepted to the Big East in 2012. When the Pirates arrived in 2014, the train had left the station.

BTW...I grant you an early parole from the "Root for" bet. Gotta have you rooting to get ECU back on track instead. It's in all our best interests.

Thanks HuskyU.
I noticed you were briefly aboard the Pirate ship. How was it with the wind in your face, the saltwater spray, and the booty?
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masterful troll job fanhood <tip of the cap>

you got a lot of folks to say how much they miss the seat at the big boy table and in doing so, debunked the P6 among the same group....

again, this was a master level move
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Not sure if serious but I will give my 2 cents. It was a sucker punch for sure. I like the AAC a lot. A whole lot. But the fact remains, the Big East was seen by most as in the club, and the AAC is not by most. I hope it gets there somehow. I guess we had no real idea the Big East was going to end. Sure, there were rumblings about discord among football and basketball schools, but the BE seemed to strengthen it's hand by adding TCU. The BE then turned down a major TV deal, hoping to get even more on the open market. In hindsight, that was THE decision, IMO that doomed BE. Then, Syracuse, and specifically Pitt, went behind BE's back, stabbed the BE in the back, and secretly negotiated with ACC, all while putting on this great front with the Big East...isn't that always how it's done. If I remember correctly, Pitt even spearheaded the call to reject ESPN's offer, then secretly negotiated with ACC below the radar. Caught BE totally by surprise. Still, the BE still had seven football teams and could have survived, but everyone got skittish and started looking for lifeboats. USF football was kind of down then under Holtz and right then and there, I knew it would be a tough sell to get USF in another conf. That was one of the major factors in USF not finding a raft. There were some noise USF was meeting with ACC, but I knew that wouldn't amount to anything. Everyone got scared, instead of looking to rebuild. First you hear TCU backing out, then WVU looking around, then Louisville and Rutgers (I have no idea who left first and in what order). Speaking of Rutgers, has there EVER been a more lucky program ever. Well, when Rutgers and Louisville left I knew it was over. Sure we tried to rebuild, and there was talk that the BE would try to retain some type of auto bid, but I figured it wasn't going to happen, and guess what, it didn't. It was like someone punched you in the gut and walked away. Don't get me wrong I truly like the AAC, and every single program in it, but once you have tasted the big time, it's hard to go back.

In hind sight, the old BE should have went to 10-12 football teams back in 05 with schools such as TCU, UCF, Navy, ECU, etc. The BE would be alive today, and most likely still a power conference. John Marinatto (old BE commish) was too slow reacting, and is one of the major reasons why the BE fell apart.
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Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.
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(09-12-2017 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.

Apparently, the SEC doesn't count either.
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(09-12-2017 10:18 PM)TU77CAL82 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.

Apparently, the SEC doesn't count either.


Crap, sorry Tulane
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(09-12-2017 10:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:18 PM)TU77CAL82 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Only Houston and SMU have been in a real conference. Big East doesn't count.

Apparently, the SEC doesn't count either.


Crap, sorry Tulane

That's OK. We try not to think about it ourselves.
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(09-12-2017 09:18 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Not sure if serious but I will give my 2 cents. It was a sucker punch for sure. I like the AAC a lot. A whole lot. But the fact remains, the Big East was seen by most as in the club, and the AAC is not by most. I hope it gets there somehow. I guess we had no real idea the Big East was going to end. Sure, there were rumblings about discord among football and basketball schools, but the BE seemed to strengthen it's hand by adding TCU. The BE then turned down a major TV deal, hoping to get even more on the open market. In hindsight, that was THE decision, IMO that doomed BE. Then, Syracuse, and specifically Pitt, went behind BE's back, stabbed the BE in the back, and secretly negotiated with ACC, all while putting on this great front with the Big East...isn't that always how it's done. If I remember correctly, Pitt even spearheaded the call to reject ESPN's offer, then secretly negotiated with ACC below the radar. Caught BE totally by surprise. Still, the BE still had seven football teams and could have survived, but everyone got skittish and started looking for lifeboats. USF football was kind of down then under Holtz and right then and there, I knew it would be a tough sell to get USF in another conf. That was one of the major factors in USF not finding a raft. There were some noise USF was meeting with ACC, but I knew that wouldn't amount to anything. Everyone got scared, instead of looking to rebuild. First you hear TCU backing out, then WVU looking around, then Louisville and Rutgers (I have no idea who left first and in what order). Speaking of Rutgers, has there EVER been a more lucky program ever. Well, when Rutgers and Louisville left I knew it was over. Sure we tried to rebuild, and there was talk that the BE would try to retain some type of auto bid, but I figured it wasn't going to happen, and guess what, it didn't. It was like someone punched you in the gut and walked away. Don't get me wrong I truly like the AAC, and every single program in it, but once you have tasted the big time, it's hard to go back.

In hind sight, the old BE should have went to 10-12 football teams back in 05 with schools such as TCU, UCF, Navy, ECU, etc. The BE would be alive today, and most likely still a power conference. John Marinatto (old BE commish) was too slow reacting, and is one of the major reasons why the BE fell apart.

Good synopsis. I imagine the strangest part is once being in the club, meaning you get all of the coverage, then within a short period of time, your program is getting the "non AQ" treatment. Yet, logically, your program has not changed.
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