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(09-13-2017 11:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 11:16 AM)otown Wrote:  This was a nasty storm, but lets not pretend this was a Harvey or Katrina with the destruction and loss of life here in Florida.

Irma

Damage $100 billion
Without power 10 million


Harvey

Damage $16 billion
Without power 1.1 million

And Irma kills the Andrew numbers too. No idea about Katrina. A little more than a nasty storm. I'm likely not getting power until Monday. That said there was no reason to cancel the ucf game.

Numbers aren't final yet but Harvey's damage may be over $100 billion. Irma hit a wider/longer area then Harvey, so in that case Irma was worse. In any case, the numbers could be misleading.

Houston financial loss didn't include many boats (expensive?) where as much of Florida's loss did include expensive boats. Just because more financial loss due to wealthy boat owners lost more expensive properly doesn't make Irma a more devastating storm then Harvey.
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There's no way to compare natural disasters without everyone sounding like aholes....

It doesn't even need to be a part of the debate to have a good conversation on the main topic
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(09-13-2017 11:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 11:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 11:16 AM)otown Wrote:  This was a nasty storm, but lets not pretend this was a Harvey or Katrina with the destruction and loss of life here in Florida.

Irma

Damage $100 billion
Without power 10 million


Harvey

Damage $16 billion
Without power 1.1 million

And Irma kills the Andrew numbers too. No idea about Katrina. A little more than a nasty storm. I'm likely not getting power until Monday. That said there was no reason to cancel the ucf game.
Norvell out his foot down. If you keep lipping off he may cancel your whole season.

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(09-13-2017 11:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 11:16 AM)otown Wrote:  This was a nasty storm, but lets not pretend this was a Harvey or Katrina with the destruction and loss of life here in Florida.

Irma

Damage $100 billion
Without power 10 million


Harvey

Damage $16 billion
Without power 1.1 million

And Irma kills the Andrew numbers too. No idea about Katrina. A little more than a nasty storm. I'm likely not getting power until Monday. That said there was no reason to cancel the ucf game.

Two things. First, your numbers are completely off regarding the cost of each storm as well as the people without power. Secondly, you being without power a few days along with the other people in florida which continues to be rapidly restored pales in comparason to the devastation left by katrina, andrew, and harvey. That includes loss of life and complete loss of homes. I have been out in winter park, the tourist areas, altamonte springs, as well as Dr phillips already today. Stores are open, some cosmetic landscaping debris noticed..... but that is it. 48 hours after the storm, and its almost business as usual. My kids are out of school until friday, but that was only because they couldnt get a few schools ready in time, so it was an all or none call.
So in short, lets not pretend the affect of irma in central florida or florida in general was worse than it was minus the keys.
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(09-13-2017 11:16 AM)otown Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 07:48 PM)otown Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 04:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 01:23 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Unsure why it has to be at ucf's football stadium. Like someone mentioned the Citrus Bowl just sits empty.

But, can you entertain the possibility that even though you are unsure as to why it had to be the UCF football stadium (and not say the Citrus Bowl), that doesn't mean the governor's office is? That maybe they have information that you don't?

That's what's strange about this thread: Lots of folks who clearly want a football game to be played saying the National Guard staging could have been done some other way, even though they don't know that it could have been done some other way.

then why not play the game at the citrus bowl instead. have the national guard at spectrum, and play the game at the citrus bowl. how hard is that to pull off? the place is sitting empty.

See, that's a good question. But it is a question, meaning the answer is unknown. You might be correct that the game could have been played at the Citrus Bowl, but, there also might be reasons why it couldn't. The problem here is that many angry Knights fans are acting as if they know the game could have been played at the Citrus Bowl, when in fact none of you know that.

So if I were you, I wouldn't go around angry because I assume the game could have been played at the Citrus Bowl. I'd ask a UCF admin why it couldn't. 07-coffee3

For as much of a big fat question mark this disaster is leaving on the ucf AD decision making..... his official announcement should have included reasons why they couldnt move the game to the citrus bowl. As far as im concerned, their official statement leaves too many question marks on what their effort was to reschedule. They owe that to their fans, and quite frankly, the players. I dont think they are happy with this decision. This was a nasty storm, but lets not pretend this was a Harvey or Katrina with the destruction and loss of life here in Florida.

I think your AD struck the correct tone. He emphasized the safety of UCF students and the need of the National Guard to use the stadium. Focusing on the concerns of football fans angered about losing a game would have been unseemly and tone-deaf to the situation. As for other options, Aresco addressed that:

"We’re fully supportive of what our schools are doing, including UCF,” Aresco told the Orlando Sentinel Monday evening. “Obviously, they don’t have a stadium to play in. They need it for hurricane relief and that’s far more important. We looked at other alternatives and nothing else was viable.”

So unless you think Aresco and UCF admins failed to think about something like playing in the Citrus Bowl, then I don't think there's any reason for you to doubt that all options were exhausted before canceling the game.

As for Irma, I think three things happened:

(1) Understandably, as Irma approached Florida, there was great fear it would do immense, unprecedented damage.

(2) As it rolled up the peninsula, it became clear that the worst-case scenarios were thankfully not being realized.

(3) That caused some people to say that Irma was "over-hyped", sensationalized. BUT, that has turned out to be premature. Now that the dust is settling and we are getting the full picture, what's apparent is that with 5 million people without power, and devastated buildings literally from the Keys all the way up to Jacksonville, Irma has been a truly destructive storm.

I personally cannot recall any hurricane that has done damage to so much of the state of Florida. Usually, there is lots of damage, but in a concentrated spot, like Miami, or the panhandle. But this time, just about every part of the state took some kind of hit. Unless you live in Pensacola, you took a lick from it.

And even beyond, e.g., my brother lives in Tampa, and on Saturday he drove 450 miles up to Charleston, SC to escape Irma. He had planned to stay until today, but late Monday, he fled Charleston, as flooding from Irma hit that city and drove him from his hotel.
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losing 2 home games sucks but I'm surprised by how negative the reaction is by UCF fans on social media

I think the Memphis decision could have been handled better....schedule it Thursday and the game gets done fairly easily. Choosing Friday gave too much pre Irma anxiety for anyone traveling.
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(09-13-2017 04:04 PM)knightastic Wrote:  losing 2 home games sucks but I'm surprised by how negative the reaction is by UCF fans on social media

I think the Memphis decision could have been handled better....schedule it Thursday and the game gets done fairly easily. Choosing Friday gave too much pre Irma anxiety for anyone traveling.

Pre natural disaster anxiety? Imagine that
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(09-13-2017 04:04 PM)knightastic Wrote:  losing 2 home games sucks but I'm surprised by how negative the reaction is by UCF fans on social media

Yes, it doesn't make sense. They want to blame people when the blame lies at the feet of Mother Nature. But you can't kvetch and act outraged about Mother Nature.
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(09-13-2017 04:04 PM)knightastic Wrote:  losing 2 home games sucks but I'm surprised by how negative the reaction is by UCF fans on social media

I think the Memphis decision could have been handled better....schedule it Thursday and the game gets done fairly easily. Choosing Friday gave too much pre Irma anxiety for anyone traveling.

The Memphis one bothers me the most, since it was a sure win.
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(09-13-2017 05:32 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 04:04 PM)knightastic Wrote:  losing 2 home games sucks but I'm surprised by how negative the reaction is by UCF fans on social media

I think the Memphis decision could have been handled better....schedule it Thursday and the game gets done fairly easily. Choosing Friday gave too much pre Irma anxiety for anyone traveling.

The Memphis one bothers me the most, since it was a sure win.

Very true... using past history as the guide it is a win.
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At least they need to get more specific on what other options were looked at, such at why the Citrus Bowl was not used for the game considering the next event at the Citrus Bowl is Nov 10th.

I also cannot understand why Rick Scott specifically went for the UCF stadium when there are so many other staging areas that could have been used including the Citrus Bowl (next event Nov 10th), Central Florida Fairgrounds, Orange County Convention Center (next event Sept 25th), Silver Spurs Arena, Stetson Stadium, Lakeland, Florida State Fairgrounds, etc etc. All these other options are in Central Florida and did not have events which would have been affected.

As far as the rumor that the students were with their families, how is it that all the other FBS teams in the state are playing?

Lastly, as far as the condition of the community to host a game, I would like to point out that Tampa, Gainesville, and Boca Raton are all hosting games and they were affected equally or worse than Orlando.

Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.
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I blame Alexis Olympia. 07-coffee3
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(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.

Nobody thinks you are a bad human being. But you don't seem to take incoming very well. E.g., I noted in my last post that Aresco affirmed that other options were looked at but that nothing viable was found.

I'm not sure why that's not good enough for you? Do you really think Aresco and UCF didn't consider the Citrus Bowl?

As for Governor Scott's decision, do you really think the governor owes an explanation to football fans as to why the stadium was the best place to base the National Guard?

Seriously?
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(09-13-2017 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.

Nobody thinks you are a bad human being. But you don't seem to take incoming very well. E.g., I noted in my last post that Aresco affirmed that other options were looked at but that nothing viable was found.

I'm not sure why that's not good enough for you? Do you really think Aresco and UCF didn't consider the Citrus Bowl?

As for Governor Scott's decision, do you really think the governor owes an explanation to football fans as to why the stadium was the best place to base the National Guard?

Seriously?

It would go a long way if the AD and Aresco were more specific.
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(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  At least they need to get more specific on what other options were looked at, such at why the Citrus Bowl was not used for the game considering the next event at the Citrus Bowl is Nov 10th.

I also cannot understand why Rick Scott specifically went for the UCF stadium when there are so many other staging areas that could have been used including the Citrus Bowl (next event Nov 10th), Central Florida Fairgrounds, Orange County Convention Center (next event Sept 25th), Silver Spurs Arena, Stetson Stadium, Lakeland, Florida State Fairgrounds, etc etc. All these other options are in Central Florida and did not have events which would have been affected.

As far as the rumor that the students were with their families, how is it that all the other FBS teams in the state are playing?

Lastly, as far as the condition of the community to host a game, I would like to point out that Tampa, Gainesville, and Boca Raton are all hosting games and they were affected equally or worse than Orlando.

Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.

We need a contingency plan in place where the players can stay together in a safe place. Have a few different hotels ready to go. I went to the ucf area yesterday. There is literally no damage that I could see.
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(09-13-2017 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.

Nobody thinks you are a bad human being. But you don't seem to take incoming very well. E.g., I noted in my last post that Aresco affirmed that other options were looked at but that nothing viable was found.

I'm not sure why that's not good enough for you? Do you really think Aresco and UCF didn't consider the Citrus Bowl?

As for Governor Scott's decision, do you really think the governor owes an explanation to football fans as to why the stadium was the best place to base the National Guard?

Seriously?


Yes he does, you are assuming a lot. The government in all its forms has proven to be incompetent from time to time. While the football game is not a priority, the questions should be asked and answered. It is quite possible that he chose ucf's because it was the first one he thought of, not because it worked best.

The questions are legit. The ansers should be too. If the answers arent legit then it should be gone over to see what mistakes were made and what could be done better. A football game is a little thing, being organized and gettinh the best out of your resources durring a natural disastor is a big thing.
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(09-13-2017 06:46 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.

Nobody thinks you are a bad human being. But you don't seem to take incoming very well. E.g., I noted in my last post that Aresco affirmed that other options were looked at but that nothing viable was found.

I'm not sure why that's not good enough for you? Do you really think Aresco and UCF didn't consider the Citrus Bowl?

As for Governor Scott's decision, do you really think the governor owes an explanation to football fans as to why the stadium was the best place to base the National Guard?

Seriously?


Yes he does, you are assuming a lot. The government in all its forms has proven to be incompetent from time to time. While the football game is not a priority, the questions should be asked and answered. It is quite possible that he chose ucf's because it was the first one he thought of, not because it worked best.

The questions are legit. The ansers should be too. If the answers arent legit then it should be gone over to see what mistakes were made and what could be done better. A football game is a little thing, being organized and gettinh the best out of your resources durring a natural disastor is a big thing.

LOL... You act like our rulers are actually public servants.
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(09-13-2017 06:49 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:46 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.

Nobody thinks you are a bad human being. But you don't seem to take incoming very well. E.g., I noted in my last post that Aresco affirmed that other options were looked at but that nothing viable was found.

I'm not sure why that's not good enough for you? Do you really think Aresco and UCF didn't consider the Citrus Bowl?

As for Governor Scott's decision, do you really think the governor owes an explanation to football fans as to why the stadium was the best place to base the National Guard?

Seriously?


Yes he does, you are assuming a lot. The government in all its forms has proven to be incompetent from time to time. While the football game is not a priority, the questions should be asked and answered. It is quite possible that he chose ucf's because it was the first one he thought of, not because it worked best.

The questions are legit. The ansers should be too. If the answers arent legit then it should be gone over to see what mistakes were made and what could be done better. A football game is a little thing, being organized and gettinh the best out of your resources durring a natural disastor is a big thing.

LOL... You act like our rulers are actually public servants.

They are, but only when we hold them to account. Blind acceptance of their assertions is the second biggest issue after not having publicly funded campaigns.
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UCF fans still whining?
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(09-13-2017 06:46 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  Just my two cents for what it is worth, but by all means, feel free to shout from your soapboxes how bad of a human being I am........ I just don't see why these other options were explored by UCF (or at least give us that info on what "alternatives" were looked at) or Rick Scott's decision when there were many other perfectly good options for him that did not require adversely affecting a University's event and the peanuts they make from their event.

Nobody thinks you are a bad human being. But you don't seem to take incoming very well. E.g., I noted in my last post that Aresco affirmed that other options were looked at but that nothing viable was found.

I'm not sure why that's not good enough for you? Do you really think Aresco and UCF didn't consider the Citrus Bowl?

As for Governor Scott's decision, do you really think the governor owes an explanation to football fans as to why the stadium was the best place to base the National Guard?

Seriously?


Yes he does, you are assuming a lot. The government in all its forms has proven to be incompetent from time to time. While the football game is not a priority, the questions should be asked and answered. It is quite possible that he chose ucf's because it was the first one he thought of, not because it worked best.

The questions are legit. The ansers should be too. If the answers arent legit then it should be gone over to see what mistakes were made and what could be done better. A football game is a little thing, being organized and gettinh the best out of your resources durring a natural disastor is a big thing.

Answering questions pertaining to canceled football is unlikely to tease out inefficiencies in how national guard resources are being deployed. And so far, OTown and others have only expressed concern about football.

Usually, that kind of useful feedback is derived when the logistics employed fail to meet the needs of those in distress efficiently and effectively.

Failure to meet needs of hurricane victims give rise to legit questions about resource use, those about football are a waste of time. If putting the national guard in UCF stadium is hindering their mission, we will know it without answering questions about canceling the Tech game.
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