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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not.



Again, you purposely miss the point on Francis. (it not an accident)

He not only fails to tell billions of people that they need Christ for salvation, he outright lies to them and tells them they can be saved through their own religion or rejection of God entirely.

That tells you plainly that Francis himself secretly rejects his own religion, and rejects the teachings of Christ himself. His comments expose what is in his own heart.

NO ONE who believes Jesus is true Son of God would EVER tell billions of people they do not even need Jesus to be saved. Not in any context or any situation, EVER
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?



Your own argument and logic defeats itself.

Christianity began in ISRAEL in the middle east, not in Europe or the west. If it was all about your culture and region, then Israel and the middle east would still be Christian and it would never have spread all the way to the other side of the world and become the dominate religion in parts of Africa, Asia, Russia or throughout all of Europe and the west.

The fastest growing christian populations today are in Africa and Asia, not in Europe and America. Churches are in decline all across America and Europe.

Both YHWH and Christ both said over and over and over again that most of the world would be willingly lost and not seeking Him at all in their hearts in the last days. Even many who attend church and tell pollsters they are "Christian".
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:28 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:15 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  A lady in the Memphis metro area was recently arrested for years of embezzling from her employer. She was arrested and is awaiting trial.

Should her children be able to continue to live in their home? They were not involved in her criminal activity. They may not have even been aware of her actions.

A woman broke into someone elses house and decided to live there with her kids. The kids did nothing wrong. should they be allowed to continue living in the house while the mother is on trial?

False equivalency. Your hypothetical deals with someone's personal property rights.

So if I build a home on federal land and it's not found out for years and one day the government tells them you have to leave. You entered on this land illegally. Do my kids get to stay? It's the only home they know. They have no other family living with in 1000 miles. And haven't seen them in 18 years.

What do you think the government is going to do...

1. let them stay?
2. get out or go to prison?
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
Pro life is an anti abortion stance. Gets old hearing people conflate it with other things like the death penalty and this Popes view.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-14-2017 12:33 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:28 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:15 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  A lady in the Memphis metro area was recently arrested for years of embezzling from her employer. She was arrested and is awaiting trial.

Should her children be able to continue to live in their home? They were not involved in her criminal activity. They may not have even been aware of her actions.

A woman broke into someone elses house and decided to live there with her kids. The kids did nothing wrong. should they be allowed to continue living in the house while the mother is on trial?

False equivalency. Your hypothetical deals with someone's personal property rights.

So if I build a home on federal land and it's not found out for years and one day the government tells them you have to leave. You entered on this land illegally. Do my kids get to stay? It's the only home they know. They have no other family living with in 1000 miles. And haven't seen them in 18 years.

What do you think the government is going to do...

1. let them stay?
2. get out or go to prison?

Are they white or brown?
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not.

If he's really a Christian that was his responsibility. Whether or not they acted on it is up to them. HIs actions are just one more reason that I believe he and Catholicism in general are a fraud.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-14-2017 12:33 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:28 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:15 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  A lady in the Memphis metro area was recently arrested for years of embezzling from her employer. She was arrested and is awaiting trial.

Should her children be able to continue to live in their home? They were not involved in her criminal activity. They may not have even been aware of her actions.

A woman broke into someone elses house and decided to live there with her kids. The kids did nothing wrong. should they be allowed to continue living in the house while the mother is on trial?

False equivalency. Your hypothetical deals with someone's personal property rights.

So if I build a home on federal land and it's not found out for years and one day the government tells them you have to leave. You entered on this land illegally. Do my kids get to stay? It's the only home they know. They have no other family living with in 1000 miles. And haven't seen them in 18 years.

What do you think the government is going to do...

1. let them stay?
2. get out or go to prison?

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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 11:55 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?



Your own argument and logic defeats itself.

Christianity began in ISRAEL in the middle east, not in Europe or the west. If it was all about your culture and region, then Israel and the middle east would still be Christian and it would never have spread all the way to the other side of the world and become the dominate religion in parts of Africa, Asia, Russia or throughout all of Europe and the west.

The fastest growing christian populations today are in Africa and Asia, not in Europe and America. Churches are in decline all across America and Europe.

Both YHWH and Christ both said over and over and over again that most of the world would be willingly lost and not seeking Him at all in their hearts in the last days. Even many who attend church and tell pollsters they are "Christian".

No sh!t, eric... You're being intentionally ignorant about my comments regarding the cultural aspects I laid out earlier in this thread. You are fully aware of how the Roman Empire - thru Constantine - spread Christianity throughout the territories within its empire and how Christianity ultimately became a cornerstone of European culture from 500 AD through Age of Enlightenment and into the 20th century.

It's pointless to discuss this with you further.
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(09-14-2017 11:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 11:55 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?



Your own argument and logic defeats itself.

Christianity began in ISRAEL in the middle east, not in Europe or the west. If it was all about your culture and region, then Israel and the middle east would still be Christian and it would never have spread all the way to the other side of the world and become the dominate religion in parts of Africa, Asia, Russia or throughout all of Europe and the west.

The fastest growing christian populations today are in Africa and Asia, not in Europe and America. Churches are in decline all across America and Europe.

Both YHWH and Christ both said over and over and over again that most of the world would be willingly lost and not seeking Him at all in their hearts in the last days. Even many who attend church and tell pollsters they are "Christian".

No sh!t, eric... You're being intentionally ignorant about my comments regarding the cultural aspects I laid out earlier in this thread. You are fully aware of how the Roman Empire - thru Constantine - spread Christianity throughout the territories within its empire and how Christianity ultimately became a cornerstone of European culture from 500 AD through Age of Enlightenment and into the 20th century.

It's pointless to discuss this with you further.


Yes I am fully aware of the 2000 year history of Christianity as it spread from one of the tiniest countries in the world to the entire planet and other side of the world, and it completely debunks your theory that salvation is based on your culture or region.

If it was based on your own culture, then you would not have millions of Americans, Europeans, Africans, Asians, Arabs, Russians, etc across the whole planet following a JEWISH Messiah.

Instead, Jews would be Christians.

Didn't mean to upset you my friend, have a blessed evening.
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If the spread of a religion has any ounce of importance... we should probably all drop everything and switch to Mormonism.
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