(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?

I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.

Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/asia-pacific/143-2/

These are the statistics for religions in Asia. If you look at the chart are are very strict about who achieved salvation, then only 7.1% of the population - at the absolute best possible outcome with 100% salvation rate - will be saved. Best case scenario is that 93% of Asians living in the Far East are damned to hell.

(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?

I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.

Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

I know that, remember I used to be a Catholic and because I didn't know the Bible I believed it too.

Tell me, where in the Bible does it say the Pope is the Vicar of Christ. I might have missed it.

(09-13-2017 07:49 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 04:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  IN short, the NT teaches that faith comes by HEARING, and HEARING by the Word of God.

Our Lord does not "automatically" condemn those who never once heard the Gospel of Christ. Nor does He condemn small children who have not even come of age yet, or have never heard of the Gospel.

Those are lies placed in your heart by the father of lies, whom you unknowingly follow and have been deceived by.

God DOES condemn those who have HEARD the Gospel and rejected it. We are told that repeatedly in the NT.

The problem with all that is that you are going to be a product of the culture you are born into. Objectively speaking, the majority of people in countries that have access to modern technology has heard of Jesus. However, the probability is quite high that certain parts of the world will be damned to hell. Take India for example. No doubt thru British occupation plus access to the internet in modern times has exposed the population to Christianity.



Yet as you can see, roughly 80% of the population is Hindu. Hindus clearly do not have Jesus as part of the religion. Therefore, the vast majority of Indians are going to hell. Right?

In other words, you are now moving on from the comments concerning Pope Francis and now want to discuss a different topic concerning the fate of those who never heard of the gospel in their entire lives.

As was already posted previously, never hearing of the Gospel of Christ is NOT grounds for eternal damnation according to the bible.

No more than being an unsaved child is grounds for eternal damnation.

That is the very basis of your attack on the Word of God, and it is totally scriptural and NOT what the bible teaches.


However, what YOU are doing..... KNOWINGLY and OPENLY rejecting the Gospel of Christ...... is ABSOLUTELY 100% grounds for eternal damnation.

THAT is 100% scriptural.

(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

Which completely defies what the NT teaches.

The NT teaches that all those who are saved are the Temple of God, and He lives in them, and that there is NO mediator between the Father man man expect Christ Jesus.

Every saved Christian is Gods representative on earth.

(09-13-2017 08:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 07:49 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 04:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  IN short, the NT teaches that faith comes by HEARING, and HEARING by the Word of God.

Our Lord does not "automatically" condemn those who never once heard the Gospel of Christ. Nor does He condemn small children who have not even come of age yet, or have never heard of the Gospel.

Those are lies placed in your heart by the father of lies, whom you unknowingly follow and have been deceived by.

God DOES condemn those who have HEARD the Gospel and rejected it. We are told that repeatedly in the NT.

The problem with all that is that you are going to be a product of the culture you are born into. Objectively speaking, the majority of people in countries that have access to modern technology has heard of Jesus. However, the probability is quite high that certain parts of the world will be damned to hell. Take India for example. No doubt thru British occupation plus access to the internet in modern times has exposed the population to Christianity.



Yet as you can see, roughly 80% of the population is Hindu. Hindus clearly do not have Jesus as part of the religion. Therefore, the vast majority of Indians are going to hell. Right?

In other words, you are now moving on from the comments concerning Pope Francis and now want to discuss a different topic concerning the fate of those who never heard of the gospel in their entire lives.

As was already posted previously, never hearing of the Gospel of Christ is NOT grounds for eternal damnation according to the bible.

No more than being an unsaved child is grounds for eternal damnation.

That is the very basis of your attack on the Word of God, and it is totally scriptural and NOT what the bible teaches.

Your entire post is based on a false, unbiblical claim.


However, what YOU are doing..... KNOWINGLY and OPENLY rejecting the Gospel of Christ...... is ABSOLUTELY 100% grounds for eternal damnation.

THAT is 100% scriptural.

Are you not reinforcing the points made by Francis? Clearly people living in the Asian countries and India have heard of Jesus. I'm sure they're familiar with what the bible is and I'm sure they know what role Jesus played in the Christian faith.

(09-13-2017 08:46 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  In other words, you are now moving on from the comments concerning Pope Francis and now want to discuss a different topic concerning the fate of those who never heard of the gospel in their entire lives.

As was already posted previously, never hearing of the Gospel of Christ is NOT grounds for eternal damnation according to the bible.

No more than being an unsaved child is grounds for eternal damnation.

That is the very basis of your attack on the Word of God, and it is totally scriptural and NOT what the bible teaches.

Your entire post is based on a false, unbiblical claim.


However, what YOU are doing..... KNOWINGLY and OPENLY rejecting the Gospel of Christ...... is ABSOLUTELY 100% grounds for eternal damnation.

THAT is 100% scriptural.

Are you not reinforcing the points made by Francis? Clearly people living in the Asian countries and India have heard of Jesus. I'm sure they're familiar with what the bible is and I'm sure they know what role Jesus played in the Christian faith.

No, I'm not doing that even remotely and I'm beginning to suspect you are being purposely obtuse.

Francis is telling people they can be saved by through worshiping Islam and being a hard core atheist. Instead of telling Muslims and atheists they NEED Christ for forgiveness, he is telling them just the opposite, that they don't even need Christ or the Gospel.

That is blasphemy according to the Word of God.

(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?

I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.

Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

What's your point?
I believe that he's likely contributing to many Muslims, Buddhists, etc eternal damnation with some of the things he has said.

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(09-13-2017 09:02 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?

I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.

Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

What's your point?
I believe that he's likely contributing to many Muslims, Buddhists, etc eternal damnation with some of the things he has said.

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I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?

(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 09:02 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.

Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

What's your point?
I believe that he's likely contributing to many Muslims, Buddhists, etc eternal damnation with some of the things he has said.

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I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?

That was not always the case, the Middle East was a very strong Christian area until Mohammed and crew came along and persuaded the people to convert to Islam or meet the end of a sword.


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(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not.

Again, you purposely miss the point on Francis. (it not an accident)

He not only fails to tell billions of people that they need Christ for salvation, he outright lies to them and tells them they can be saved through their own religion or rejection of God entirely.

That tells you plainly that Francis himself secretly rejects his own religion, and rejects the teachings of Christ himself. His comments expose what is in his own heart.

NO ONE who believes Jesus is true Son of God would EVER tell billions of people they do not even need Jesus to be saved. Not in any context or any situation, EVER

(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?

Your own argument and logic defeats itself.

Christianity began in ISRAEL in the middle east, not in Europe or the west. If it was all about your culture and region, then Israel and the middle east would still be Christian and it would never have spread all the way to the other side of the world and become the dominate religion in parts of Africa, Asia, Russia or throughout all of Europe and the west.

The fastest growing christian populations today are in Africa and Asia, not in Europe and America. Churches are in decline all across America and Europe.

Both YHWH and Christ both said over and over and over again that most of the world would be willingly lost and not seeking Him at all in their hearts in the last days. Even many who attend church and tell pollsters they are "Christian".

(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:28 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:15 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  A lady in the Memphis metro area was recently arrested for years of embezzling from her employer. She was arrested and is awaiting trial.

Should her children be able to continue to live in their home? They were not involved in her criminal activity. They may not have even been aware of her actions.

A woman broke into someone elses house and decided to live there with her kids. The kids did nothing wrong. should they be allowed to continue living in the house while the mother is on trial?

False equivalency. Your hypothetical deals with someone's personal property rights.

So if I build a home on federal land and it's not found out for years and one day the government tells them you have to leave. You entered on this land illegally. Do my kids get to stay? It's the only home they know. They have no other family living with in 1000 miles. And haven't seen them in 18 years.

What do you think the government is going to do...

1. let them stay?
2. get out or go to prison?

Pro life is an anti abortion stance. Gets old hearing people conflate it with other things like the death penalty and this Popes view.

(09-14-2017 12:33 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:28 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:15 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  A lady in the Memphis metro area was recently arrested for years of embezzling from her employer. She was arrested and is awaiting trial.

Should her children be able to continue to live in their home? They were not involved in her criminal activity. They may not have even been aware of her actions.

A woman broke into someone elses house and decided to live there with her kids. The kids did nothing wrong. should they be allowed to continue living in the house while the mother is on trial?

False equivalency. Your hypothetical deals with someone's personal property rights.

So if I build a home on federal land and it's not found out for years and one day the government tells them you have to leave. You entered on this land illegally. Do my kids get to stay? It's the only home they know. They have no other family living with in 1000 miles. And haven't seen them in 18 years.

What do you think the government is going to do...

1. let them stay?
2. get out or go to prison?

Are they white or brown?

(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not.

If he's really a Christian that was his responsibility. Whether or not they acted on it is up to them. HIs actions are just one more reason that I believe he and Catholicism in general are a fraud.

(09-14-2017 12:33 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:28 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:15 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  A lady in the Memphis metro area was recently arrested for years of embezzling from her employer. She was arrested and is awaiting trial.

Should her children be able to continue to live in their home? They were not involved in her criminal activity. They may not have even been aware of her actions.

A woman broke into someone elses house and decided to live there with her kids. The kids did nothing wrong. should they be allowed to continue living in the house while the mother is on trial?

False equivalency. Your hypothetical deals with someone's personal property rights.

So if I build a home on federal land and it's not found out for years and one day the government tells them you have to leave. You entered on this land illegally. Do my kids get to stay? It's the only home they know. They have no other family living with in 1000 miles. And haven't seen them in 18 years.

What do you think the government is going to do...

1. let them stay?
2. get out or go to prison?

Home <> Country

(09-13-2017 11:55 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?

Your own argument and logic defeats itself.

Christianity began in ISRAEL in the middle east, not in Europe or the west. If it was all about your culture and region, then Israel and the middle east would still be Christian and it would never have spread all the way to the other side of the world and become the dominate religion in parts of Africa, Asia, Russia or throughout all of Europe and the west.

The fastest growing christian populations today are in Africa and Asia, not in Europe and America. Churches are in decline all across America and Europe.

Both YHWH and Christ both said over and over and over again that most of the world would be willingly lost and not seeking Him at all in their hearts in the last days. Even many who attend church and tell pollsters they are "Christian".

No sh!t, eric... You're being intentionally ignorant about my comments regarding the cultural aspects I laid out earlier in this thread. You are fully aware of how the Roman Empire - thru Constantine - spread Christianity throughout the territories within its empire and how Christianity ultimately became a cornerstone of European culture from 500 AD through Age of Enlightenment and into the 20th century.

It's pointless to discuss this with you further.

(09-14-2017 11:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 11:55 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?

Your own argument and logic defeats itself.

Christianity began in ISRAEL in the middle east, not in Europe or the west. If it was all about your culture and region, then Israel and the middle east would still be Christian and it would never have spread all the way to the other side of the world and become the dominate religion in parts of Africa, Asia, Russia or throughout all of Europe and the west.

The fastest growing christian populations today are in Africa and Asia, not in Europe and America. Churches are in decline all across America and Europe.

Both YHWH and Christ both said over and over and over again that most of the world would be willingly lost and not seeking Him at all in their hearts in the last days. Even many who attend church and tell pollsters they are "Christian".

No sh!t, eric... You're being intentionally ignorant about my comments regarding the cultural aspects I laid out earlier in this thread. You are fully aware of how the Roman Empire - thru Constantine - spread Christianity throughout the territories within its empire and how Christianity ultimately became a cornerstone of European culture from 500 AD through Age of Enlightenment and into the 20th century.

It's pointless to discuss this with you further.

Yes I am fully aware of the 2000 year history of Christianity as it spread from one of the tiniest countries in the world to the entire planet and other side of the world, and it completely debunks your theory that salvation is based on your culture or region.

If it was based on your own culture, then you would not have millions of Americans, Europeans, Africans, Asians, Arabs, Russians, etc across the whole planet following a JEWISH Messiah.

Instead, Jews would be Christians.

Didn't mean to upset you my friend, have a blessed evening.

If the spread of a religion has any ounce of importance... we should probably all drop everything and switch to Mormonism.