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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
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(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?


I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.


Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/asia-pacific/143-2/

These are the statistics for religions in Asia. If you look at the chart are are very strict about who achieved salvation, then only 7.1% of the population - at the absolute best possible outcome with 100% salvation rate - will be saved. Best case scenario is that 93% of Asians living in the Far East are damned to hell.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?


I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.


Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.


I know that, remember I used to be a Catholic and because I didn't know the Bible I believed it too.

Tell me, where in the Bible does it say the Pope is the Vicar of Christ. I might have missed it.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 07:49 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 04:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  IN short, the NT teaches that faith comes by HEARING, and HEARING by the Word of God.

Our Lord does not "automatically" condemn those who never once heard the Gospel of Christ. Nor does He condemn small children who have not even come of age yet, or have never heard of the Gospel.

Those are lies placed in your heart by the father of lies, whom you unknowingly follow and have been deceived by.

God DOES condemn those who have HEARD the Gospel and rejected it. We are told that repeatedly in the NT.

The problem with all that is that you are going to be a product of the culture you are born into. Objectively speaking, the majority of people in countries that have access to modern technology has heard of Jesus. However, the probability is quite high that certain parts of the world will be damned to hell. Take India for example. No doubt thru British occupation plus access to the internet in modern times has exposed the population to Christianity.

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Yet as you can see, roughly 80% of the population is Hindu. Hindus clearly do not have Jesus as part of the religion. Therefore, the vast majority of Indians are going to hell. Right?



In other words, you are now moving on from the comments concerning Pope Francis and now want to discuss a different topic concerning the fate of those who never heard of the gospel in their entire lives.

As was already posted previously, never hearing of the Gospel of Christ is NOT grounds for eternal damnation according to the bible.

No more than being an unsaved child is grounds for eternal damnation.

That is the very basis of your attack on the Word of God, and it is totally scriptural and NOT what the bible teaches.


However, what YOU are doing..... KNOWINGLY and OPENLY rejecting the Gospel of Christ...... is ABSOLUTELY 100% grounds for eternal damnation.

THAT is 100% scriptural.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.


Which completely defies what the NT teaches.

The NT teaches that all those who are saved are the Temple of God, and He lives in them, and that there is NO mediator between the Father man man expect Christ Jesus.

Every saved Christian is Gods representative on earth.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 08:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 07:49 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 04:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  IN short, the NT teaches that faith comes by HEARING, and HEARING by the Word of God.

Our Lord does not "automatically" condemn those who never once heard the Gospel of Christ. Nor does He condemn small children who have not even come of age yet, or have never heard of the Gospel.

Those are lies placed in your heart by the father of lies, whom you unknowingly follow and have been deceived by.

God DOES condemn those who have HEARD the Gospel and rejected it. We are told that repeatedly in the NT.

The problem with all that is that you are going to be a product of the culture you are born into. Objectively speaking, the majority of people in countries that have access to modern technology has heard of Jesus. However, the probability is quite high that certain parts of the world will be damned to hell. Take India for example. No doubt thru British occupation plus access to the internet in modern times has exposed the population to Christianity.

[Image: data-2.jpg]

Yet as you can see, roughly 80% of the population is Hindu. Hindus clearly do not have Jesus as part of the religion. Therefore, the vast majority of Indians are going to hell. Right?



In other words, you are now moving on from the comments concerning Pope Francis and now want to discuss a different topic concerning the fate of those who never heard of the gospel in their entire lives.

As was already posted previously, never hearing of the Gospel of Christ is NOT grounds for eternal damnation according to the bible.

No more than being an unsaved child is grounds for eternal damnation.

That is the very basis of your attack on the Word of God, and it is totally scriptural and NOT what the bible teaches.

Your entire post is based on a false, unbiblical claim.


However, what YOU are doing..... KNOWINGLY and OPENLY rejecting the Gospel of Christ...... is ABSOLUTELY 100% grounds for eternal damnation.

THAT is 100% scriptural.

Are you not reinforcing the points made by Francis? Clearly people living in the Asian countries and India have heard of Jesus. I'm sure they're familiar with what the bible is and I'm sure they know what role Jesus played in the Christian faith.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 08:46 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 08:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  In other words, you are now moving on from the comments concerning Pope Francis and now want to discuss a different topic concerning the fate of those who never heard of the gospel in their entire lives.

As was already posted previously, never hearing of the Gospel of Christ is NOT grounds for eternal damnation according to the bible.

No more than being an unsaved child is grounds for eternal damnation.

That is the very basis of your attack on the Word of God, and it is totally scriptural and NOT what the bible teaches.

Your entire post is based on a false, unbiblical claim.


However, what YOU are doing..... KNOWINGLY and OPENLY rejecting the Gospel of Christ...... is ABSOLUTELY 100% grounds for eternal damnation.

THAT is 100% scriptural.

Are you not reinforcing the points made by Francis? Clearly people living in the Asian countries and India have heard of Jesus. I'm sure they're familiar with what the bible is and I'm sure they know what role Jesus played in the Christian faith.


No, I'm not doing that even remotely and I'm beginning to suspect you are being purposely obtuse.

Francis is telling people they can be saved by through worshiping Islam and being a hard core atheist. Instead of telling Muslims and atheists they NEED Christ for forgiveness, he is telling them just the opposite, that they don't even need Christ or the Gospel.

That is blasphemy according to the Word of God.
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RE: Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?


I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.


Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

What's your point?
I believe that he's likely contributing to many Muslims, Buddhists, etc eternal damnation with some of the things he has said.

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(09-13-2017 09:02 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 04:48 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Okay, I'll give you that one. But do YOU believe that the Pope is the God's representative on earth?


I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.


Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

What's your point?
I believe that he's likely contributing to many Muslims, Buddhists, etc eternal damnation with some of the things he has said.

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I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?
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Pope Francis: Rescinding DACA is Not Pro-Life
(09-13-2017 10:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:02 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 07:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 05:00 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I know YOU are already aware of this, but its worth repeating again for others.

Telling Muslims, Buddists, etc they can reach God the father through their own religions or atheism is blasphemy against the Word.

There is no context or setting where that is not blasphemy

Whether the pope says it addressing the RCC or in a general public or political setting makes no difference at all.

Its blasphemy and its a REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL.


Sorry Eric, but I was asking Miko who I quoted. I should remember to name the person I'm quoting. As the Pope would say, "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa".

That's what the RCC teaches, that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. Therefore, he's God's representative on earth.

What's your point?
I believe that he's likely contributing to many Muslims, Buddhists, etc eternal damnation with some of the things he has said.

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I was answering olie's question.

ETA - Responding to your 2nd point that Francis is contributing to the damnation of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...do you think if Francis flat out and told participants of those faiths that they need to accept Jesus or be damned to hell that they'd listen? Maybe a very small handful, but the vast majority will not. Recall my earlier post about the religious makeup of India. India was a colony of the British Empire for generations. No doubt that a slew of Christian Missionaries had unfettered access to the subcontinent in order to spread the gospel. Despite that over generations, only 2.3% of Indians consider themselves Christian. 97.7% are not Christian. When you expand the area to include all of Asia, the percentage of people who are Christian jumps to 7.1%. Again, over 90% of them are not Christian. We know these countries were at one point or another colonies of European empires who were heavily Christian. The gospel was most assuredly spread by Christian missionaries in the not too distant past.

Seriously guys, doesn't it strike you as odd that salvation is so dependent upon culture? Isn't it odd that the best odds at achieving salvation is to live in the Western Hemisphere or in Europe?


That was not always the case, the Middle East was a very strong Christian area until Mohammed and crew came along and persuaded the people to convert to Islam or meet the end of a sword.


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