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RE: New Rankings and ratings after week 2
(09-12-2017 11:04 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:51 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 05:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  ECU should do themselves a favor and schedule a bit easier while they're in a rebuilding mode. Just do so quietly and I think even your fans will welcome some wins against ULM and GA State instead of losses to WVU and VT.

That was Bill Snyder's model for KSU. They were never any good until he got there. Synder started scheduling cupcakes for their OOC games and began to build interest and confidence in the program. ECU doesn't have to come from the depths that KSU did, but if they keep doing things the way they are now, they may be where KSU was in the late 80s.

When ECU first became known, they were a "play anyone, anywhere, anytime" type of school that relished being the underdog and made noise knocking off bigger programs. While this may be the correct prescription, it could be a bitter pill for their fans to take. They want to believe they can/should be able to compete to WVU level programs.

I went to a few of those games back in the 80s. I saw Jimmy Johnson bring Vinny Testaverde and Michael Irving into Greenville and I saw Bobby Bowden come to town with Neon Deion (before the Neon). ECTC lost both games badly, but no one else in NC would play those schools until they joined the ACC. I don't know how much it helped their program to play those games, but it was fun to go see the future hall of famers on the other sideline and pull against them.

I've been to probably 5-6 games at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium. I never pulled for the winner in those games until 9/2.
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RE: New Rankings and ratings after week 2
(09-12-2017 12:35 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  What I don't get was why they would fire an HC who had 8 to 10 win bowl seasons 3 of the previous 4 years, with an overall winning record over 6 seasons (42-34), and hire a 37 year old with zero head coaching experience. McNeill at ECU:
2010 6-7 (lost bowl game)
2011 5-7
2012 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2013 10-3 (won bowl game)
2014 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2015 5-7

They replace the above with 37 (now 39) year old disaster who was 3-9 last season and is probably going to finish 2-10 or 1-11 this season, and will be fired, the question is only when..

MD did similar when they fired Friedgen. Just like ECU, they had an old, fat, successful HC who they fired, and replaced with an absolute disaster. Friedgen was coming off 4 bowl games in his last 5 seasons at MD, with his final season going 9-4 & being named ACC Coach of the Year before he was fired. 7 of 10 seasons went to bowls and 75-50 overall- as good as you're going to get at MD. MD then turns around and hires an absolute disaster in Randy Edsal, who went 22-34 4+ seasons before being fired mid season in 2015.

Its mind boggling that ADs do such stupid firings & hirings. Moral of the story should be short of being a perennial major powerhouse P5, don't fire old, fat, successful head coaches, replacing them with younger, disasterous, skinnier ones..


ECU did it once before too with firing Steve Logan. And Southern Miss did the same with Jeff Bower. Both were the most successful coaches at their school. Impatient boosters acting like petulant children demanded change, not recognizing that they could do a LOT worse than the guys they were firing.

I'd even go a step further. Sometimes administrators just have to recognize the limitations of your program. As long as ECU was/is on the outside looking in (conference-wise), they are going to have some losing seasons. A 5-6 season is not the end of the world. If you insist on playing OOCs against P5 teams, the odds are stacked against you. You are probably going to lose more games against them than you'll win. P5 schools simply get better recruits. It takes exceptional coaching to overcome that disadvantage. Personally, I could live with only beating VT or UVA once every three times. Put me on even footing with them and perhaps I would demand more. It's called being realistic.
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