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(09-12-2017 05:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  ECU should do themselves a favor and schedule a bit easier while they're in a rebuilding mode. Just do so quietly and I think even your fans will welcome some wins against ULM and GA State instead of losses to WVU and VT.

I've always thought the same, but that is a very difficult thing to do, when these JMU, WVU, and Tech were scheduled they didn't know they'd be playing with a new coach. Most of the P5 schools have schedules set at least four years out with maybe one opening they have to fill in a little closer to game time.
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(09-12-2017 05:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  ECU should do themselves a favor and schedule a bit easier while they're in a rebuilding mode. Just do so quietly and I think even your fans will welcome some wins against ULM and GA State instead of losses to WVU and VT.

That was Bill Snyder's model for KSU. They were never any good until he got there. Synder started scheduling cupcakes for their OOC games and began to build interest and confidence in the program. ECU doesn't have to come from the depths that KSU did, but if they keep doing things the way they are now, they may be where KSU was in the late 80s.
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(09-12-2017 10:51 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 05:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  ECU should do themselves a favor and schedule a bit easier while they're in a rebuilding mode. Just do so quietly and I think even your fans will welcome some wins against ULM and GA State instead of losses to WVU and VT.

That was Bill Snyder's model for KSU. They were never any good until he got there. Synder started scheduling cupcakes for their OOC games and began to build interest and confidence in the program. ECU doesn't have to come from the depths that KSU did, but if they keep doing things the way they are now, they may be where KSU was in the late 80s.

When ECU first became known, they were a "play anyone, anywhere, anytime" type of school that relished being the underdog and made noise knocking off bigger programs. While this may be the correct prescription, it could be a bitter pill for their fans to take. They want to believe they can/should be able to compete to WVU level programs.
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As painful as it is right now for ECU, I think it could be dangerous to downgrade the schedule while rebuilding. They usually have one of the best OOCs for a G5, featuring home & homes with name teams. Don't want to give those schools any reason to not continue those series. You drop them, they might not schedule you in the future.
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(09-12-2017 11:04 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  When ECU first became known, they were a "play anyone, anywhere, anytime" type of school that relished being the underdog and made noise knocking off bigger programs. While this may be the correct prescription, it could be a bitter pill for their fans to take. They want to believe they can/should be able to compete to WVU level programs.

Well all I know is that they toot a big horn about their 50k stadium but following an unpopular coaching change and a 3 win season, while staring down the barrel of an 0-4 start this season, 40k showed up. In reality, it was maybe half full, so really 25k showed up, including the 3-5k JMU fans there.

They can start every season 0-4 but it won't help put butts in their seats. I can guarantee you that.
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What I don't get was why they would fire an HC who had 8 to 10 win bowl seasons 3 of the previous 4 years, with an overall winning record over 6 seasons (42-34), and hire a 37 year old with zero head coaching experience. McNeill at ECU:
2010 6-7 (lost bowl game)
2011 5-7
2012 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2013 10-3 (won bowl game)
2014 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2015 5-7

They replace the above with 37 (now 39) year old disaster who was 3-9 last season and is probably going to finish 2-10 or 1-11 this season, and will be fired, the question is only when..

MD did similar when they fired Friedgen. Just like ECU, they had an old, fat, successful HC who they fired, and replaced with an absolute disaster. Friedgen was coming off 4 bowl games in his last 5 seasons at MD, with his final season going 9-4 & being named ACC Coach of the Year before he was fired. 7 of 10 seasons went to bowls and 75-50 overall- as good as you're going to get at MD. MD then turns around and hires an absolute disaster in Randy Edsal, who went 22-34 4+ seasons before being fired mid season in 2015.

Its mind boggling that ADs do such stupid firings & hirings. Moral of the story should be short of being a perennial major powerhouse P5, don't fire old, fat, successful head coaches, replacing them with younger, disasterous, skinnier ones..
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(09-12-2017 12:35 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  What I don't get was why they would fire an HC who had 8 to 10 win bowl seasons 3 of the previous 4 years, with an overall winning record over 6 seasons (42-34), and hire a 37 year old with zero head coaching experience. McNeill at ECU:
2010 6-7 (lost bowl game)
2011 5-7
2012 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2013 10-3 (won bowl game)
2014 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2015 5-7

They replace the above with 37 (now 39) year old disaster who was 3-9 last season and is probably going to finish 2-10 or 1-11 this season, and will be fired, the question is only when..

MD did similar when they fired Friedgen. Just like ECU, they had an old, fat, successful HC who they fired, and replaced with an absolute disaster. Friedgen was coming off 4 bowl games in his last 5 seasons at MD, with his final season going 9-4 & being named ACC Coach of the Year before he was fired. 7 of 10 seasons went to bowls and 75-50 overall- as good as you're going to get at MD. MD then turns around and hires an absolute disaster in Randy Edsal, who went 22-34 4+ seasons before being fired mid season in 2015.

Its mind boggling that ADs do such stupid firings & hirings. Moral of the story should be short of being a perennial major powerhouse P5, don't fire old, fat, successful head coaches, replacing them with younger, disasterous, skinnier ones..

Having worked in the eastern NC area for a few years, Ruffin was well liked by the community. Which is a very large and spread out area including practically everything east of I-95 in NC. The need for a change was a surprise to many. My best guess is some large donors had something to do with it.
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ECU Should not schedule weaker OOC. Playing the best opponents is their calling card and what has put them on the map over the decades. JMU could learn much from them on how to build a program and stay the course even during a bad year or two.

Beating OOC pansies is the JMU scheduling philosophy and it sucks. The football season has so few games that every game should be meaningful.
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(09-12-2017 01:13 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:35 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  What I don't get was why they would fire an HC who had 8 to 10 win bowl seasons 3 of the previous 4 years, with an overall winning record over 6 seasons (42-34), and hire a 37 year old with zero head coaching experience. McNeill at ECU:
2010 6-7 (lost bowl game)
2011 5-7
2012 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2013 10-3 (won bowl game)
2014 8-5 (lost bowl game)
2015 5-7

They replace the above with 37 (now 39) year old disaster who was 3-9 last season and is probably going to finish 2-10 or 1-11 this season, and will be fired, the question is only when..

MD did similar when they fired Friedgen. Just like ECU, they had an old, fat, successful HC who they fired, and replaced with an absolute disaster. Friedgen was coming off 4 bowl games in his last 5 seasons at MD, with his final season going 9-4 & being named ACC Coach of the Year before he was fired. 7 of 10 seasons went to bowls and 75-50 overall- as good as you're going to get at MD. MD then turns around and hires an absolute disaster in Randy Edsal, who went 22-34 4+ seasons before being fired mid season in 2015.

Its mind boggling that ADs do such stupid firings & hirings. Moral of the story should be short of being a perennial major powerhouse P5, don't fire old, fat, successful head coaches, replacing them with younger, disasterous, skinnier ones..

Having worked in the eastern NC area for a few years, Ruffin was well liked by the community. Which is a very large and spread out area including practically everything east of I-95 in NC. The need for a change was a surprise to many. My best guess is some large donors had something to do with it.

I know a few younger alums down here that are still pissed that they fired him. Now they're absolutely losing it. Not giving coaches a chance to install their system is necessary, but it would take a miracle to turn this team around. If they don't get a few wins quickly after these first 4 games, there won't be anyone left in the stands by November.
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(09-11-2017 11:58 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 07:47 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 07:33 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  A lot of these rankings (eg Sagarin) are "weighted" based on prior years and other factors. Sagarin gives NDSU credit for years prior to last year still. This is phased out as the season progresses and the teams are more "connected"

Bottom line is these algorithmic ratings become more accurate as the season progresses. Stats and Coaches polls are the ones I view as significant for now, as it may have some influence at playoff time in determining seeds.

People forget that NDSU has been a semifinal appearance at worst for seven consecutive seasons now. They have not been eliminated earlier in the playoffs them the semifinals since they became eligible for the FCS playoffs beginning in 2010.

These computer models give them credit because they continue to win the overwhelming majority of the time.

NDSU has been at least the semis in at least 6 straight seasons. The 1st year they were eligible for the playoffs was 2008. The 1st year they made the playoffs was 2010. Their 6 year streak of making at least the semis started in 2011.

I know we have a couple of NDSU lurkers on here that can correct this if wrong.
2004 8-3 1st year playing mostly I-AA schedule (played 3 Div III) (ineligible for playoffs)
2005 7-4 1st year playing full (now) MVFC schedule (ineligible for playoffs)
2006 10-1 (only loss @ Minnesota) (ineligible for playoffs)
2007 10-1 (2 I-A wins over Minnesota and C Mich) (ineligible for playoffs)
2008 6-5 (1st year eligible for playoffs)
2009 3-8
2010 7-4/4-4 1st year in playoffs. Playoffs went from 16 to 20 teams that season, they may have gotten the last at large. Win over Kansas regular season. Lost in the quarterfinals @ #5 seed EWU in OT on a very controversial call in OT. EWU went on to win the NC game over UD..

Nailed it.
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