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RE: police report reveals. paterno may have known of earlier Sandusky Abuse
(09-11-2017 09:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The school should have hit the reset button on the football program.

Now, the program will be tainted with that for a very long time, perhaps forever.

If I was a Penn. State fan that is what I would be mad about. They let this happen in the first place and then they made sure the brand stuck.

I do think that the best way for Penn State to successfully put this behind them (in the long-term) would have been to self-sanction in the wake of the Freeh Report.

However, Mark Emmert --- in a move that was highly popular amongst most folk, including here --- inserted himself into the situation within hours (almost within minutes) of the Freeh Report being released.

The Freeh Report was released at 10 AM on 12-July-2012. The NCAA and Emmert had a statement out before lunch-time. E.g., before most folk could even read the thing (it was a multi-hundred page document, after all).

So, Emmert commandeered the bus. And did so rather immediately. Which, fair enough. But it did prevent PSU from having the opportunity to do as I suggest in my first paragraph.

On a tangent --- for all the sanctions there were, there was NOT a "show cause" penalty against Tim Curley. Which should have been a rather OBVIOUS given, based on all he was guilty of. Right?

So why was there not a "show cause" penalty? I'd like to hear yours and others theory on such.
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RE: police report reveals. paterno may have known of earlier Sandusky Abuse
(09-11-2017 09:09 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 05:05 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I couldn't do it. If I was an alumni I wouldn't support any of it. Do you know how many Catholics left the church after the child abuse scandal came out? Personally, I would see my support for the program as a tacit disregard of what happened.

Talk's cheap. Easy to tell me what others to do in a situation you're unlikely to find yourself in.

My moral compass doesn't point the other way just cause I like football. Good for you though. Good luck in the future realizing how internet message boards work.
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(09-11-2017 11:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  My moral compass doesn't point the other way just cause I like football. Good for you though. Good luck in the future realizing how internet message boards work.

I know how internet message boards work. For instance, "virtue signaling" is something that occurs a lot on message boards.

And your post, particularly given your usage of the phrase "moral compass", is the DEFINITION of virtue signaling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

Good job sir. You've made the world a better place today by lecturing me about your superior "moral compass."
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(09-11-2017 11:55 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 11:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  My moral compass doesn't point the other way just cause I like football. Good for you though. Good luck in the future realizing how internet message boards work.

I know how internet message boards work. For instance, "virtue signaling" is something that occurs a lot on message boards.

And your post, particularly given your usage of the phrase "moral compass", is the DEFINITION of virtue signaling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

Good job sir. You've made the world a better place today by lecturing me about your superior "moral compass."

And you've shown what kind of person you are by continuing to support a school that turned a blind on to a serial pedophile over the course of decades. So there's that.
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(09-12-2017 10:21 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 11:55 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 11:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  My moral compass doesn't point the other way just cause I like football. Good for you though. Good luck in the future realizing how internet message boards work.

I know how internet message boards work. For instance, "virtue signaling" is something that occurs a lot on message boards.

And your post, particularly given your usage of the phrase "moral compass", is the DEFINITION of virtue signaling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

Good job sir. You've made the world a better place today by lecturing me about your superior "moral compass."

And you've shown what kind of person you are by continuing to support a school that turned a blind on to a serial pedophile over the course of decades. So there's that.

Pedos operating in Protestant denominations is just as common as Catholic churches, and yes a lot of it gets covered up. The Protestant churches are a lot more decentralized and the media does not cover it much.
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(09-11-2017 04:30 PM)luvyosef Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 03:14 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 09:07 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  
(09-09-2017 12:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  For Paterno's sake, it was better off for him that he died when he did.

Depending on what he took to the grave. Hope Joe Pa was able to get in one last good confession before departing Earth.

Wouldn't have mattered. Man cannot forgive your sins.

Absolutely right. Christ does through the Apostles and their successors. John 20 and John 21. Good day.

Could be talking about person to person forgiveness. Where is any evidence that the apostles had to intercede for man? It's nowhere to be found in the New Testament.
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(09-11-2017 09:30 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  The Freeh Report was released at 10 AM on 12-July-2012. The NCAA and Emmert had a statement out before lunch-time. E.g., before most folk could even read the thing (it was a multi-hundred page document, after all).

They had the report before it was made public.

Quote:On a tangent --- for all the sanctions there were, there was NOT a "show cause" penalty against Tim Curley. Which should have been a rather OBVIOUS given, based on all he was guilty of. Right?

So why was there not a "show cause" penalty? I'd like to hear yours and others theory on such.

You might want to paint me like any other PSU-hater, but, from the beginning, I was against any NCAA involvement without proper discussion and detail about why they belonged there and how any penalties were tied to a specific root problem. To me, their involvement was always a bad and unjustified one because they failed to do any heavy lifting of their own. And, this is just another component that comes from that big mishap. If you're going to say this warranted "show cause," you're saying this really was an athletic department issue. But...was it?

Who knows the logic. I kind of think, if the NCAA has to go after PSU, and it involves a coach, AD, security administrator, and president, this is totally administrative. Shut down ALL of PSU athletics. Don't scapegoat the football program because of Paterno. And, yet, that's what happened. And, that's why people have sympathy for the team and still find reason to support them. I challenge anyone who wanted to see the football program roast to they themselves man up, and tell a player from any of those impacted teams they deserved the punishment they got.

But, the NCAA went with the easy lift for every part of this.
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Pedophile State University.
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(09-11-2017 05:05 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I couldn't do it. If I was an alumni I wouldn't support any of it. Do you know how many Catholics left the church after the child abuse scandal came out? Personally, I would see my support for the program as a tacit disregard of what happened.

Yeah, I know that type of Catholic. They seem to forget the parable of the wheat and the tares. Again, you hold the culprits responsible.
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(09-12-2017 11:11 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 04:30 PM)luvyosef Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 03:14 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 09:07 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  
(09-09-2017 12:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  For Paterno's sake, it was better off for him that he died when he did.

Depending on what he took to the grave. Hope Joe Pa was able to get in one last good confession before departing Earth.

Wouldn't have mattered. Man cannot forgive your sins.

Absolutely right. Christ does through the Apostles and their successors. John 20 and John 21. Good day.

Could be talking about person to person forgiveness. Where is any evidence that the apostles had to intercede for man? It's nowhere to be found in the New Testament.

PM only. I've had up to here with other people dogging my religious beliefs.
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