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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
I love college and pro football. Don't let your politics ruin a good thing. It's just a game after all.
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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
(09-08-2017 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:29 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I assume viewership in Texas and Florida are down just because people have more important things to worry about.

NO. Two hurricanes that endanger millions of people has nothing to do with it.

It's because someone might kneel before a game. ( sarcasm) 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
Read the comments in the article it is about the players kneeling....the fans stand but players kneel and putting the politics in a sport that is turning fans away. Fans don't want political crap when watching sports, they get enough of it in other aspects of their life.

I think the impact is probably more than they realize. Its for this reason. This is entertainment, whether the players realize it or not. People will just start finding other things to do.

Baseball did severe damage to themselves long term with all the player strikes. People don't tune in to sports to hear about millionaires fighting with billionaires. The one that cancelled the world series was the last straw for me. I just lost interest in what was once my favorite sport. I don't think I watched any games last year. One year as a kid, I think I watched in person, on TV or listened on radio to about 120 of the Reds games. I would sit by the radio nearly every night.
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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
(09-13-2017 10:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:29 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I assume viewership in Texas and Florida are down just because people have more important things to worry about.

NO. Two hurricanes that endanger millions of people has nothing to do with it.

It's because someone might kneel before a game. ( sarcasm) 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
Read the comments in the article it is about the players kneeling....the fans stand but players kneel and putting the politics in a sport that is turning fans away. Fans don't want political crap when watching sports, they get enough of it in other aspects of their life.

I think the impact is probably more than they realize. Its for this reason. This is entertainment, whether the players realize it or not. People will just start finding other things to do.

Baseball did severe damage to themselves long term with all the player strikes. People don't tune in to sports to hear about millionaires fighting with billionaires. The one that cancelled the world series was the last straw for me. I just lost interest in what was once my favorite sport. I don't think I watched any games last year. One year as a kid, I think I watched in person, on TV or listened on radio to about 120 of the Reds games. I would sit by the radio nearly every night.

By doing what you are doing, you are simply making their statement more powerful.

If you think boycotting the NFL is going to force them to make everyone stand during the National Anthem you are sadly mistaken because they can't do that. It's unconstitutional.

If anything, your boycott will in fact force the NFL to listen to the concerns of those who kneel and come to a compromise with these people in order to fix the problem.

They are either going to stop broadcasting the National Anthem, or simply allow players to sit in the locker room until it's over.
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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:29 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I assume viewership in Texas and Florida are down just because people have more important things to worry about.

NO. Two hurricanes that endanger millions of people has nothing to do with it.

It's because someone might kneel before a game. ( sarcasm) 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
Read the comments in the article it is about the players kneeling....the fans stand but players kneel and putting the politics in a sport that is turning fans away. Fans don't want political crap when watching sports, they get enough of it in other aspects of their life.

I think the impact is probably more than they realize. Its for this reason. This is entertainment, whether the players realize it or not. People will just start finding other things to do.

Baseball did severe damage to themselves long term with all the player strikes. People don't tune in to sports to hear about millionaires fighting with billionaires. The one that cancelled the world series was the last straw for me. I just lost interest in what was once my favorite sport. I don't think I watched any games last year. One year as a kid, I think I watched in person, on TV or listened on radio to about 120 of the Reds games. I would sit by the radio nearly every night.

By doing what you are doing, you are simply making their statement more powerful.

If you think boycotting the NFL is going to force them to make everyone stand during the National Anthem you are sadly mistaken because they can't do that. It's unconstitutional.

If anything, your boycott will in fact force the NFL to listen to the concerns of those who kneel and come to a compromise with these people in order to fix the problem.

They are either going to stop broadcasting the National Anthem, or simply allow players to sit in the locker room until it's over.

Employers have a lot of leeway. They can insist their players stand silently and be in uniform during the anthem. They can tell them not to add anything to their uniform such as a black armband. They could have a hair code and facial hair code if they wanted. Now they can't tell them what to do when they aren't at work. They could be flexible and allow players the option to stay in the locker room. But they don't have to allow them to be disrespectful to millions of their customers when they are at work.
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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
(09-13-2017 02:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 11:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  NO. Two hurricanes that endanger millions of people has nothing to do with it.

It's because someone might kneel before a game. ( sarcasm) 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
Read the comments in the article it is about the players kneeling....the fans stand but players kneel and putting the politics in a sport that is turning fans away. Fans don't want political crap when watching sports, they get enough of it in other aspects of their life.

I think the impact is probably more than they realize. Its for this reason. This is entertainment, whether the players realize it or not. People will just start finding other things to do.

Baseball did severe damage to themselves long term with all the player strikes. People don't tune in to sports to hear about millionaires fighting with billionaires. The one that cancelled the world series was the last straw for me. I just lost interest in what was once my favorite sport. I don't think I watched any games last year. One year as a kid, I think I watched in person, on TV or listened on radio to about 120 of the Reds games. I would sit by the radio nearly every night.

By doing what you are doing, you are simply making their statement more powerful.

If you think boycotting the NFL is going to force them to make everyone stand during the National Anthem you are sadly mistaken because they can't do that. It's unconstitutional.

If anything, your boycott will in fact force the NFL to listen to the concerns of those who kneel and come to a compromise with these people in order to fix the problem.

They are either going to stop broadcasting the National Anthem, or simply allow players to sit in the locker room until it's over.

Employers have a lot of leeway. They can insist their players stand silently and be in uniform during the anthem. They can tell them not to add anything to their uniform such as a black armband. They could have a hair code and facial hair code if they wanted. Now they can't tell them what to do when they aren't at work. They could be flexible and allow players the option to stay in the locker room. But they don't have to allow them to be disrespectful to millions of their customers when they are at work.

Even if they could do that ( and don't think they can legally) they would be foolish for doing it for a number of reasons.

1. Even if most players think they should stand, they won't agree with forcing others not to stand.

2. More fans would also be upset by the fact players are being forced to stand against their right not to do so.

3. Coaches aren't going to want to coach for a team where the owner is causing division among their players or worse, firing or denying them access to the best players regardless of their political beliefs.
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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
This thread is a perfect example of what we were talking about the other day in another thread. You have people who do not even understand the Constitution supposedly teaching our kids about it and we wonder why most people can't identify the three branches of government.
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(09-13-2017 07:24 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I actually feel the opposite regarding NFL vs college FB. The P5/G5 division of college football is the most hypocritical sport out there - where pro players pretend to be amateurs and pretend to GAF about their alma maters. No doubt a few of the college FB players genuinely care about their schools; however, the majority are ringers who are only at the colleges to gain training/access to the NFL. At least in the NFL, we know exactly what the players stand for and that they are - truly - professional athletes who are acting like such.

But...my interests in sports in general has been waning for awhile. I used to watch multiple CFB games and NFL games. Then I morphed to watching only my teams play. Now it's a crapshoot on whether I'll watch my teams from week to week. The kneeling during the national anthem put a bad taste in my mouth. However, the rule changes plus steady increase in commercials is ruining the game. Football in general is contracting. To what extent it will contract remains to be seen. However, we are seeing reduced participation in the pop warner football games and the reduced participation is making it's way up to the middle schools and high schools soon. Sooner than later, the NFL will become another gladiator sport where the athletes are predominantly from poverty stricken areas while the crowds will be those who would never dream to allow their children to play such a dangerous sport.

It's already starting. The kids that can are gravitating to lacrosse, those that can't afford that expensive sport are sitting home. I coached for a decade + from the time my son started with Flag all the way through Seniors (7-8th graders) then stayed on with the Sr's team while he played HS. He just started his Soph of College.

We made 4 consecutive Super Bowls, winning two of them. We had so many players we scheduled Monday night games for all the kids that either didn't start or didn't play much on Saturdays. As in rosters the size of, or larger than, a lot of HS programs.

I called the new Assoc Administrator this Summer to see if the Sr's team needed any Asst coaches. They weren't even fielding a team.

Couldn't get even 15 of the softies off the couch and away from the cheetos and gaming... Very disappointing and startling at the same time.
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(09-13-2017 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This thread is a perfect example of what we were talking about the other day in another thread. You have people who do not even understand the Constitution supposedly teaching our kids about it and we wonder why most people can't identify the three branches of government.

This has nothing to do with the Constitution so there's that.
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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
(09-13-2017 02:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This thread is a perfect example of what we were talking about the other day in another thread. You have people who do not even understand the Constitution supposedly teaching our kids about it and we wonder why most people can't identify the three branches of government.

This has nothing to do with the Constitution so there's that.

So why did you say this?

Quote:If you think boycotting the NFL is going to force them to make everyone stand during the National Anthem you are sadly mistaken because they can't do that. It's unconstitutional.
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RE: OT: NFL Opening Game Patriots/Chiefs down 12% from last year.
(09-13-2017 03:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 02:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This thread is a perfect example of what we were talking about the other day in another thread. You have people who do not even understand the Constitution supposedly teaching our kids about it and we wonder why most people can't identify the three branches of government.

This has nothing to do with the Constitution so there's that.

So why did you say this?

Quote:If you think boycotting the NFL is going to force them to make everyone stand during the National Anthem you are sadly mistaken because they can't do that. It's unconstitutional.

I meant to say it was probably not a violation of their rights.

It's not unconstitutional. Thank you for pointing that out.
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