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RE: OT - Liberty offered CUSA $24 million for an invite
(09-08-2017 03:59 PM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  You want even more bad news? I recently spoke to a professor in the program I was a part of who told me that she would like JMU greatly increase their online degree options to which I replied "we just want to be careful we don't become Liberty or Phoenix" and she said "I think Phoenix is a great model and would love for us to get there. There are so many benefits to having students get their degree from their home and that is the future, we need to get involved in that as soon as we can or we will miss that opportunity." So we may not want to bash it if we are becoming it along with many other schools.

President (or Chancellor, whatever it is) at UVA got into hot water about a decade+ ago because UVA wasn't moving to the "distance learning" model fast enough.

The Va Comm Coll system has been offering ELI, Extended Learning Institute, courses for more than 30 years.

I know cause I took a couple Communications courses from Ocean City Md. that long ago.

Lot of sneering down noses and high and mighty in this thread... 07-coffee3
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OT - Liberty offered CUSA $24 million for an invite
(09-08-2017 08:52 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So in the last ~7 years, Liberty has spent $200M on facilities, another $350M in annual costs (estimating $50M a year excluding the crazy game payouts), another $50M earmarked to stadium expansion and $25M to build out the football schedule (assuming Tech, UVA, BYU all required double the 1.5M that ODU agreed too). I'm guessing the wrote a check to NCAA to get the waiver, probably near the $25M they were willing to pay CUSA right? Soooo over a 10 year period, Liberty spend $1 BILLION for athletics?

I'm sure falwell had his team of lawyers threaten the NCAA with litigation too if he didn't get his way with the fbs waiver.
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OT - Liberty offered CUSA $24 million for an invite
(09-08-2017 08:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:52 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So in the last ~7 years, Liberty has spent $200M on facilities, another $350M in annual costs (estimating $50M a year excluding the crazy game payouts), another $50M earmarked to stadium expansion and $25M to build out the football schedule (assuming Tech, UVA, BYU all required double the 1.5M that ODU agreed too). I'm guessing the wrote a check to NCAA to get the waiver, probably near the $25M they were willing to pay CUSA right? Soooo over a 10 year period, Liberty spend $1 BILLION for athletics?

Pretty easy to do when you run a for profit online school under the wing of a non profit university. Even easier to do when the majority of online tuition comes on the back of federally backed programs.

I keep wondering how someone in the federal government hasn't looked into their tax status. This should be illegal.

"Most of the university’s dramatic growth has come through distance education, and its online students now make up most of Liberty’s student body. Three-quarters of undergraduates and 97 percent of graduate students at Liberty study exclusively through distance education, according the American Federation of Teachers.

But more astounding than the growth in students is the growth in federal aid. Data from the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia shows that federal aid has grown five times faster than enrollment.

In the late 1990s, Liberty students received less than $20 million in aid. Students now receive over $800 million dollars a year in federal aid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...be6f9d8dcc

With Betsy DeVos at the helm, she's personally looking out for the libertys of the world. Falwell will make sure they attack every unfavorable education regulation that hurts his bottom line in any way.
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(09-08-2017 10:12 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  what happens to LU when their privileged status is taken away by the gov't?

Yeah that's not happening until at least January 2021... the government is protecting them at the moment.
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RE: OT - Liberty offered CUSA $24 million for an invite
(09-08-2017 05:36 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:52 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So in the last ~7 years, Liberty has spent $200M on facilities, another $350M in annual costs (estimating $50M a year excluding the crazy game payouts), another $50M earmarked to stadium expansion and $25M to build out the football schedule (assuming Tech, UVA, BYU all required double the 1.5M that ODU agreed too). I'm guessing the wrote a check to NCAA to get the waiver, probably near the $25M they were willing to pay CUSA right? Soooo over a 10 year period, Liberty spend $1 BILLION for athletics?

Pretty easy to do when you run a for profit online school under the wing of a non profit university. Even easier to do when the majority of online tuition comes on the back of federally backed programs.

I keep wondering how someone in the federal government hasn't looked into their tax status. This should be illegal.

"Most of the university’s dramatic growth has come through distance education, and its online students now make up most of Liberty’s student body. Three-quarters of undergraduates and 97 percent of graduate students at Liberty study exclusively through distance education, according the American Federation of Teachers.

But more astounding than the growth in students is the growth in federal aid. Data from the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia shows that federal aid has grown five times faster than enrollment.

In the late 1990s, Liberty students received less than $20 million in aid. Students now receive over $800 million dollars a year in federal aid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...be6f9d8dcc

With Betsy DeVos at the helm, she's personally looking out for the libertys of the world. Falwell will make sure they attack every unfavorable education regulation that hurts his bottom line in any way.
Ok, so when the libs get offended on this site by politics, they all come out begging for it to be shut down or moved. With this last post, it is now time for the monitors to do the same with this one.

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OT - Liberty offered CUSA $24 million for an invite
(09-08-2017 05:41 PM)olderduke Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:36 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:52 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So in the last ~7 years, Liberty has spent $200M on facilities, another $350M in annual costs (estimating $50M a year excluding the crazy game payouts), another $50M earmarked to stadium expansion and $25M to build out the football schedule (assuming Tech, UVA, BYU all required double the 1.5M that ODU agreed too). I'm guessing the wrote a check to NCAA to get the waiver, probably near the $25M they were willing to pay CUSA right? Soooo over a 10 year period, Liberty spend $1 BILLION for athletics?

Pretty easy to do when you run a for profit online school under the wing of a non profit university. Even easier to do when the majority of online tuition comes on the back of federally backed programs.

I keep wondering how someone in the federal government hasn't looked into their tax status. This should be illegal.

"Most of the university’s dramatic growth has come through distance education, and its online students now make up most of Liberty’s student body. Three-quarters of undergraduates and 97 percent of graduate students at Liberty study exclusively through distance education, according the American Federation of Teachers.

But more astounding than the growth in students is the growth in federal aid. Data from the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia shows that federal aid has grown five times faster than enrollment.

In the late 1990s, Liberty students received less than $20 million in aid. Students now receive over $800 million dollars a year in federal aid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...be6f9d8dcc

With Betsy DeVos at the helm, she's personally looking out for the libertys of the world. Falwell will make sure they attack every unfavorable education regulation that hurts his bottom line in any way.
Ok, so when the libs get offended on this site by politics, they all come out begging for it to be shut down or moved. With this last post, it is now time for the monitors to do the same with this one.

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It's related to the discussion, which has been very good so far. Someone else mentioned trump earlier and you didn't seem to get upset.
It's the department of education and very much relevant to the discussion. Just because she happens to be a long standing GOP donor doesn't make her any less unworthy of mentioning and Falwell and liberty are VERY involved with the current administration and DOE.
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RE: OT - Liberty offered CUSA $24 million for an invite
(09-08-2017 05:57 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:41 PM)olderduke Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:36 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:52 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  So in the last ~7 years, Liberty has spent $200M on facilities, another $350M in annual costs (estimating $50M a year excluding the crazy game payouts), another $50M earmarked to stadium expansion and $25M to build out the football schedule (assuming Tech, UVA, BYU all required double the 1.5M that ODU agreed too). I'm guessing the wrote a check to NCAA to get the waiver, probably near the $25M they were willing to pay CUSA right? Soooo over a 10 year period, Liberty spend $1 BILLION for athletics?

Pretty easy to do when you run a for profit online school under the wing of a non profit university. Even easier to do when the majority of online tuition comes on the back of federally backed programs.

I keep wondering how someone in the federal government hasn't looked into their tax status. This should be illegal.

"Most of the university’s dramatic growth has come through distance education, and its online students now make up most of Liberty’s student body. Three-quarters of undergraduates and 97 percent of graduate students at Liberty study exclusively through distance education, according the American Federation of Teachers.

But more astounding than the growth in students is the growth in federal aid. Data from the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia shows that federal aid has grown five times faster than enrollment.

In the late 1990s, Liberty students received less than $20 million in aid. Students now receive over $800 million dollars a year in federal aid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...be6f9d8dcc

With Betsy DeVos at the helm, she's personally looking out for the libertys of the world. Falwell will make sure they attack every unfavorable education regulation that hurts his bottom line in any way.
Ok, so when the libs get offended on this site by politics, they all come out begging for it to be shut down or moved. With this last post, it is now time for the monitors to do the same with this one.

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It's related to the discussion, which has been very good so far. Someone else mentioned trump earlier and you didn't seem to get upset.
It's the department of education and very much relevant to the discussion. Just because she happens to be a long standing GOP donor doesn't make her any less unworthy of mentioning and Falwell and liberty are VERY involved with the current administration and DOE.
So, let's bring back the monuments discussion from the O/T board. Comments in that thread were relevant to that discussion as well.

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(09-08-2017 06:02 PM)olderduke Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:57 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:41 PM)olderduke Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:36 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 08:58 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Pretty easy to do when you run a for profit online school under the wing of a non profit university. Even easier to do when the majority of online tuition comes on the back of federally backed programs.

I keep wondering how someone in the federal government hasn't looked into their tax status. This should be illegal.

"Most of the university’s dramatic growth has come through distance education, and its online students now make up most of Liberty’s student body. Three-quarters of undergraduates and 97 percent of graduate students at Liberty study exclusively through distance education, according the American Federation of Teachers.

But more astounding than the growth in students is the growth in federal aid. Data from the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia shows that federal aid has grown five times faster than enrollment.

In the late 1990s, Liberty students received less than $20 million in aid. Students now receive over $800 million dollars a year in federal aid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...be6f9d8dcc

With Betsy DeVos at the helm, she's personally looking out for the libertys of the world. Falwell will make sure they attack every unfavorable education regulation that hurts his bottom line in any way.
Ok, so when the libs get offended on this site by politics, they all come out begging for it to be shut down or moved. With this last post, it is now time for the monitors to do the same with this one.

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It's related to the discussion, which has been very good so far. Someone else mentioned trump earlier and you didn't seem to get upset.
It's the department of education and very much relevant to the discussion. Just because she happens to be a long standing GOP donor doesn't make her any less unworthy of mentioning and Falwell and liberty are VERY involved with the current administration and DOE.
So, let's bring back the monuments discussion from the O/T board. Comments in that thread were relevant to that discussion as well.

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Can we agree that liberty sucks and American tax payer money is contributing to such excessive non-academic spending and that is something that should be controlled? I think many posters just brought up some good points all around.
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RE: OT - Liberty offered CUSA $24 million for an invite
(09-08-2017 06:21 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 06:02 PM)olderduke Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:57 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:41 PM)olderduke Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:36 PM)Potomac Wrote:  With Betsy DeVos at the helm, she's personally looking out for the libertys of the world. Falwell will make sure they attack every unfavorable education regulation that hurts his bottom line in any way.
Ok, so when the libs get offended on this site by politics, they all come out begging for it to be shut down or moved. With this last post, it is now time for the monitors to do the same with this one.

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It's related to the discussion, which has been very good so far. Someone else mentioned trump earlier and you didn't seem to get upset.
It's the department of education and very much relevant to the discussion. Just because she happens to be a long standing GOP donor doesn't make her any less unworthy of mentioning and Falwell and liberty are VERY involved with the current administration and DOE.
So, let's bring back the monuments discussion from the O/T board. Comments in that thread were relevant to that discussion as well.

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Can we agree that liberty sucks and American tax payer money is contributing to such excessive non-academic spending and that is something that should be controlled? I think many posters just brought up some good points all around.

Saying Liberty $ucks might be over the top unless you are referencing a sports team where many commonly use the phrase. Liberty seems to be playing by the rules, it's the government regulations that seem to $uck. I will continue to say that I have no issue competing against them in any sport. There are a lot more devious ways to take people's money than what LU is doing. A degree from LU does carry some weight where Phoenix is practically a waste of cash. Though, even there, I'm sure what is taught is probably okay it's the degree itself which commands little respect.
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