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RE: Seahawk Michael Bennett vs. Las Vegas PD
(09-06-2017 03:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 01:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 12:09 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm sorry, but the officer did not appear to do anything wrong.

Bennett may not like what happened but it wasn't wrong.

I also question his story since he said a gun was put to his head yet the video, at least one video, doesn't show it.

Yeah, after reading the Kap post above I tend to agree. Of course he is going to say it was just because he was a black man but it'll be nice to hear the whole story eventually. Folks forget that not that long ago shots rang out in Las Vegas after another fight. Anyone remember Tupac?

Ummm, that was 21 years ago next week.

But you're right...we don't know enough yet to know what happened. But it's dangerous to conclude that just because one video doesn't show something that it didn't actually happen.

What reason does Bennett have to lie? He's seen what happened to CK.

You're right about not knowing for sure about the gun.

It just appears at this point in time that was made up.

Why would he lie? Sympathy and attention

But he's an NFL player. Why would he need this type of attention?
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(09-06-2017 11:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Can we please stop pretending that this is not an issue we need to have a serious adult conversation about?

Depends on what you think the issue is....
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(09-06-2017 03:06 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 02:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't consider myself a racist, but I can't deny that I was brought up with the notion that blacks commit more crime as well as hearing the n word from my friends, parents and my siblings as well as using it myself to my white friends and relatives. I know now that it was wrong, but when you're young you don't think like that. While there are certainly a small amount of cops who are on power trips and the like, you have to believe that a certain amount of them had upbringings like me where these stereotypes were drilled into your head. And now when you have power and a gun and perform a stressful job that could result in loss of your life in an instant, it's not easy.

An admirable post, one of which I imagine holds true for most all of us.

However, a quibble: while the criminal-safety movement would like you to think otherwise, violence is neither generally random nor unpredictable. The US violent crime rate is not evenly distributed across the population and is more heavily concentrated in minority communities and that is impactful to race relations, gender relations, and law enforcement relations.

PTSD on both sides. You live in these neighborhoods around a bunch of knuckle heads all stressed out and you become crazy too. Cops have to go back into these neighborhoods over and over for dumb stuff and get burnt out. Reminds me of lethal weapon 1 when the cop pulls the bad guy with the gun in closer and says, go ahead and just shoot me. Then proceeds to whip his....

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I would think Kaepernick and the other BLM aficionados would pay more attention to black on black crime, rather than race baiting.

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(09-06-2017 01:16 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Vegas is pretty much a ghetto on any fight night. Has been for awhile.

Just ask Tupac.
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I already have problems with Bennett's statement..

Where's the second cop in the video? You know the one that had the gun to his head? Not saying he's not there somewhere, but you'd think he'd be somewhere near the scene.

Then "they (who's they) told us to get out.. and everyone ran?

And Bennett's been one of the current vocal ones about KaperKlutz being in the right for his national anthem protest (and he's been doing it as well).
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(09-06-2017 02:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Very possible. And I don't envy their position at all. It can't be easy.

I don't consider myself a racist, but I can't deny that I was brought up with the notion that blacks commit more crime as well as hearing the n word from my friends, parents and my siblings as well as using it myself to my white friends and relatives. I know now that it was wrong, but when you're young you don't think like that. While there are certainly a small amount of cops who are on power trips and the like, you have to believe that a certain amount of them had upbringings like me where these stereotypes were drilled into your head. And now when you have power and a gun and perform a stressful job that could result in loss of your life in an instant, it's not easy.

I will NEVER forget an experience I had with a cop in the small town I grew up in. We were outside a bar one night around 1992 or so and the cops had been called after a black guy was bounced out of the bar for a reason I can't remember now. He did leave peacefully before the cop arrived, but the cop remained for awhile and joked with the bouncers who were friends of mine and then he said something I'll never forget: "I would have done a Rodney King on his ass!" he said. That has stayed with me for over 20 years now.

Hopefully someday it will get better...but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

I think what you said could be said by many people of a certain age. I'm in my mid 40s and I assume you aren't too far off.

My grandfather, born in 1904, in another country used some of the same language. He came from an area with much ethnic strife (let's think of "Balkanization") and brought those experiences here with him. That being said, you'd be his best friend, even if you were polka dot colored if you worked next to him, sweating, putting in an honest day. And, my father, used the language less, but had on occasion. While in his job, he hired many more women and minorities (forty years ago) than were common in his specific white collar industry. I think they, and maybe some people of their age, struggled with reconciling broad generalizations (while using those epithets), with their personal experiences one-on-one, just treating people as people.

I disagree with your statement about you don't think things will get better in your lifetime. I think they have improved greatly in our lifetimes. Because things aren't "perfect" is not a reason to be discouraged and not recognize the progress that has been made already.

I can say that those words were not used and aren't used in my social circles. I only note that because, anecdotally, I see that as progress. I see that as a reason for hope.

There are problems with crime and social issues where a study of various demographics can find concentrations in communities. We have to be able to acknowledge that without being automatically called "racist" shutting down the conversation. We have to discuss those reasons and find solutions for those problems. Those are the conversations to be had, as I truly believe most of us do care about our fellow man, deeply.

I have a friend who works in federal law enforcement and was for a while tasked with drug enforcement in a major city. A lot of the "busts" they did were within the inner city. They didn't go there due to someone's color. They went there because that was where the drugs are (whether legalization is an issue or not, they aren't now, so that agency does enforcement). He would talk about the squalor of many of these locations where people lived. He didn't do it in a demeaning way. You can tell how much it weighs upon him. He didn't see color. He saw people who needed something. People who society/government weren't helping and may, in fact, be hindering, through policy and the way assistance, education and other things are handled.

In the Michael Bennett situation, the Las Vegas PD has responded, initially, that there was an active shooter situation going on right where he was. If he fit the description or something similar, I think most of us would agree that he could be detained, and quickly released when determined to not be the guy. That doesn't mean the cops treated him well or properly. I'm on board that could be the issue. So, to fix "this" problem, let's fix any cop who is a prick, instead of assuming this happened because of his skin color.

But if we just automatically assume "race" then we aren't going to fix any problem.

I greatly appreciate your post.
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(09-06-2017 01:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 12:09 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm sorry, but the officer did not appear to do anything wrong.

Bennett may not like what happened but it wasn't wrong.

I also question his story since he said a gun was put to his head yet the video, at least one video, doesn't show it.

Yeah, after reading the Kap post above I tend to agree. Of course he is going to say it was just because he was a black man but it'll be nice to hear the whole story eventually. Folks forget that not that long ago shots rang out in Las Vegas after another fight. Anyone remember Tupac?

Ummm, that was 21 years ago next week.

But you're right...we don't know enough yet to know what happened. But it's dangerous to conclude that just because one video doesn't show something that it didn't actually happen.

What reason does Bennett have to lie? He's seen what happened to CK.

i think it's equally dangerous to assume someone's racist
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(09-06-2017 02:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 02:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 11:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh boy...this could start another powder keg.

Quote:“A police officer ordered me to get on the ground,” Bennett wrote. “As I laid on the ground, complying with his commands not to move, he placed his gun near my head and warned me that if I moved he would ‘blow my [expletive] head off.’ Terrified and confused by what was taking place, a second officer came over and forcefully jammed his knee into my back, making it difficult for me to breathe. They then cinched the handcuffs on my wrists so tight that my fingers went numb.”
‘I’m going to die for no other reason than I am black’: Seahawks’ Michael Bennett tells of police encounter
Video Shows Michael Bennett Being Cuffed By Las Vegas Police

Can we please stop pretending that this is not an issue we need to have a serious adult conversation about?

Not being sarcastic. I don't think that you are saying because it happened to Michael Bennett (if it did) it is now an issue. But, at what point is it an "issue?" We hear anecdotes about this, but as compared to the massive number of interactions cops have on a daily basis, do we know it is happening "more?"

A lot of this seems to be hyperbolic, grandstanding. I'm having a hard time weeding that out to determine how much of an issue it really is.

Could it be that there are simply too many (not all, just too many) prick cops out there? That is the problem, not skin color?

Very possible. And I don't envy their position at all. It can't be easy.

I don't consider myself a racist, but I can't deny that I was brought up with the notion that blacks commit more crime as well as hearing the n word from my friends, parents and my siblings as well as using it myself to my white friends and relatives. I know now that it was wrong, but when you're young you don't think like that. While there are certainly a small amount of cops who are on power trips and the like, you have to believe that a certain amount of them had upbringings like me where these stereotypes were drilled into your head. And now when you have power and a gun and perform a stressful job that could result in loss of your life in an instant, it's not easy.

I will NEVER forget an experience I had with a cop in the small town I grew up in. We were outside a bar one night around 1992 or so and the cops had been called after a black guy was bounced out of the bar for a reason I can't remember now. He did leave peacefully before the cop arrived, but the cop remained for awhile and joked with the bouncers who were friends of mine and then he said something I'll never forget: "I would have done a Rodney King on his ass!" he said. That has stayed with me for over 20 years now.

Hopefully someday it will get better...but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

I was raised in a similar environment - not necessarily that they commit more crimes, which they do by the way, but that they were inherently inferior in every way, which is patently false - and have erased the n word from my vocabulary. I know many others like me who have also done that and I know fewer who haven't. That's an improvement in my mind. I don't believe that racism exists at the level that the media would have us all believe. If you buy into their narrative we all hate each other when nothing could be farther from the truth. "Ya gotta keep em separated".
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My parents raised me with the sentiment that "Nothing good happens after 11pm."

Does that mean I go to bed at or before 11pm every night, and never go out? Of course not. However, in a scenario like this, I believe it's important to look at the ENTIRE scenario and not just a small piece of it.

I also was out the night of the fight. I wasn't in Vegas. I was at a friends house, watched the fight and then peacefully drove home.

Understanding Bennett was assumably AT the fight, as he was in Vegas. We can reasonably assume (I've been there) that there's a lot of crap that happens in Vegas... especially before/during/after major events such as the fight (Ex. Tupac) which lead to heightened LEO presence and heightened response to such "crap" as random gun shots in a city with incredibly large crowds of people wandering around.

Bennett may not like it, but perhaps instead of isolating the blame to the officer, he should understand that the entirety of the circumstances led to the behavior from the cop (that can be addressed later, and should).

I'm always perplexed how in scenarios like this people put their own damn selves into situations that call for cops and then get upset when the cops react.
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