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(09-06-2017 12:09 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm sorry, but the officer did not appear to do anything wrong.

Bennett may not like what happened but it wasn't wrong.

I also question his story since he said a gun was put to his head yet the video, at least one video, doesn't show it.

Yeah, after reading the Kap post above I tend to agree. Of course he is going to say it was just because he was a black man but it'll be nice to hear the whole story eventually. Folks forget that not that long ago shots rang out in Las Vegas after another fight. Anyone remember Tupac?

Ummm, that was 21 years ago next week.

But you're right...we don't know enough yet to know what happened. But it's dangerous to conclude that just because one video doesn't show something that it didn't actually happen.

What reason does Bennett have to lie? He's seen what happened to CK.
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(09-06-2017 01:16 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Vegas is pretty much a ghetto on any fight night. Has been for awhile.

How many fights in Vegas have you been to?
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(09-06-2017 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 01:16 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Vegas is pretty much a ghetto on any fight night. Has been for awhile.

How many fights in Vegas have you been to?

have you ever been to a minority neighborhood or live in one?if not it not you problem, so you can not fix it
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(09-06-2017 02:14 PM)LIBSOC Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 01:16 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Vegas is pretty much a ghetto on any fight night. Has been for awhile.

How many fights in Vegas have you been to?

have you ever been to a minority neighborhood or live in one?if not it not you problem, so you can not fix it

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything related to Buffalo's assertion, but okay I guess.
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(09-06-2017 11:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh boy...this could start another powder keg.

Quote:“A police officer ordered me to get on the ground,” Bennett wrote. “As I laid on the ground, complying with his commands not to move, he placed his gun near my head and warned me that if I moved he would ‘blow my [expletive] head off.’ Terrified and confused by what was taking place, a second officer came over and forcefully jammed his knee into my back, making it difficult for me to breathe. They then cinched the handcuffs on my wrists so tight that my fingers went numb.”
‘I’m going to die for no other reason than I am black’: Seahawks’ Michael Bennett tells of police encounter
Video Shows Michael Bennett Being Cuffed By Las Vegas Police

Can we please stop pretending that this is not an issue we need to have a serious adult conversation about?

Not being sarcastic. I don't think that you are saying because it happened to Michael Bennett (if it did) it is now an issue. But, at what point is it an "issue?" We hear anecdotes about this, but as compared to the massive number of interactions cops have on a daily basis, do we know it is happening "more?"

A lot of this seems to be hyperbolic, grandstanding. I'm having a hard time weeding that out to determine how much of an issue it really is.

Could it be that there are simply too many (not all, just too many) prick cops out there? That is the problem, not skin color?
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(09-06-2017 02:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 11:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh boy...this could start another powder keg.

Quote:“A police officer ordered me to get on the ground,” Bennett wrote. “As I laid on the ground, complying with his commands not to move, he placed his gun near my head and warned me that if I moved he would ‘blow my [expletive] head off.’ Terrified and confused by what was taking place, a second officer came over and forcefully jammed his knee into my back, making it difficult for me to breathe. They then cinched the handcuffs on my wrists so tight that my fingers went numb.”
‘I’m going to die for no other reason than I am black’: Seahawks’ Michael Bennett tells of police encounter
Video Shows Michael Bennett Being Cuffed By Las Vegas Police

Can we please stop pretending that this is not an issue we need to have a serious adult conversation about?

Not being sarcastic. I don't think that you are saying because it happened to Michael Bennett (if it did) it is now an issue. But, at what point is it an "issue?" We hear anecdotes about this, but as compared to the massive number of interactions cops have on a daily basis, do we know it is happening "more?"

A lot of this seems to be hyperbolic, grandstanding. I'm having a hard time weeding that out to determine how much of an issue it really is.

Could it be that there are simply too many (not all, just too many) prick cops out there? That is the problem, not skin color?

Very possible. And I don't envy their position at all. It can't be easy.

I don't consider myself a racist, but I can't deny that I was brought up with the notion that blacks commit more crime as well as hearing the n word from my friends, parents and my siblings as well as using it myself to my white friends and relatives. I know now that it was wrong, but when you're young you don't think like that. While there are certainly a small amount of cops who are on power trips and the like, you have to believe that a certain amount of them had upbringings like me where these stereotypes were drilled into your head. And now when you have power and a gun and perform a stressful job that could result in loss of your life in an instant, it's not easy.

I will NEVER forget an experience I had with a cop in the small town I grew up in. We were outside a bar one night around 1992 or so and the cops had been called after a black guy was bounced out of the bar for a reason I can't remember now. He did leave peacefully before the cop arrived, but the cop remained for awhile and joked with the bouncers who were friends of mine and then he said something I'll never forget: "I would have done a Rodney King on his ass!" he said. That has stayed with me for over 20 years now.

Hopefully someday it will get better...but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
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I want to know what people think is the issue is. There are 2 possibilities when it comes to stories like this along with a null hypothesis. One of 3 is possible:

1) LEO across the U.S. and independent of level (Fed, State, local) have systemic issues that result in higher rates of aggressive behavior against nonviolent suspects than should be probable.

2) LEO across the U.S. and independent of level (Fed, State, local) have systemic issues that result in higher rates of aggressive behavior against nonviolent BLACK (MINORITY) suspects than should be probable.

3) (NULL) LEO across the U.S. and independent of level (Fed, State, local) do not show elevated levels of aggressive behavior against nonviolent suspects, and observable incidents fall within an acceptable statistical range given the diverse makeup of these groups.
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(09-06-2017 02:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't consider myself a racist, but I can't deny that I was brought up with the notion that blacks commit more crime as well as hearing the n word from my friends, parents and my siblings as well as using it myself to my white friends and relatives. I know now that it was wrong, but when you're young you don't think like that. While there are certainly a small amount of cops who are on power trips and the like, you have to believe that a certain amount of them had upbringings like me where these stereotypes were drilled into your head. And now when you have power and a gun and perform a stressful job that could result in loss of your life in an instant, it's not easy.

An admirable post, one of which I imagine holds true for most all of us.

However, a quibble: while the criminal-safety movement would like you to think otherwise, violence is neither generally random nor unpredictable. The US violent crime rate is not evenly distributed across the population and is more heavily concentrated in minority communities and that is impactful to race relations, gender relations, and law enforcement relations.
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(09-06-2017 01:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 12:09 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm sorry, but the officer did not appear to do anything wrong.

Bennett may not like what happened but it wasn't wrong.

I also question his story since he said a gun was put to his head yet the video, at least one video, doesn't show it.

Yeah, after reading the Kap post above I tend to agree. Of course he is going to say it was just because he was a black man but it'll be nice to hear the whole story eventually. Folks forget that not that long ago shots rang out in Las Vegas after another fight. Anyone remember Tupac?

Ummm, that was 21 years ago next week.

But you're right...we don't know enough yet to know what happened. But it's dangerous to conclude that just because one video doesn't show something that it didn't actually happen.

What reason does Bennett have to lie? He's seen what happened to CK.

You're right about not knowing for sure about the gun.

It just appears at this point in time that was made up.

Why would he lie? Sympathy and attention
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(09-06-2017 02:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 02:24 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 11:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh boy...this could start another powder keg.

Quote:“A police officer ordered me to get on the ground,” Bennett wrote. “As I laid on the ground, complying with his commands not to move, he placed his gun near my head and warned me that if I moved he would ‘blow my [expletive] head off.’ Terrified and confused by what was taking place, a second officer came over and forcefully jammed his knee into my back, making it difficult for me to breathe. They then cinched the handcuffs on my wrists so tight that my fingers went numb.”
‘I’m going to die for no other reason than I am black’: Seahawks’ Michael Bennett tells of police encounter
Video Shows Michael Bennett Being Cuffed By Las Vegas Police

Can we please stop pretending that this is not an issue we need to have a serious adult conversation about?

Not being sarcastic. I don't think that you are saying because it happened to Michael Bennett (if it did) it is now an issue. But, at what point is it an "issue?" We hear anecdotes about this, but as compared to the massive number of interactions cops have on a daily basis, do we know it is happening "more?"

A lot of this seems to be hyperbolic, grandstanding. I'm having a hard time weeding that out to determine how much of an issue it really is.

Could it be that there are simply too many (not all, just too many) prick cops out there? That is the problem, not skin color?

Very possible. And I don't envy their position at all. It can't be easy.

I don't consider myself a racist, but I can't deny that I was brought up with the notion that blacks commit more crime as well as hearing the n word from my friends, parents and my siblings as well as using it myself to my white friends and relatives. I know now that it was wrong, but when you're young you don't think like that. While there are certainly a small amount of cops who are on power trips and the like, you have to believe that a certain amount of them had upbringings like me where these stereotypes were drilled into your head. And now when you have power and a gun and perform a stressful job that could result in loss of your life in an instant, it's not easy.

I will NEVER forget an experience I had with a cop in the small town I grew up in. We were outside a bar one night around 1992 or so and the cops had been called after a black guy was bounced out of the bar for a reason I can't remember now. He did leave peacefully before the cop arrived, but the cop remained for awhile and joked with the bouncers who were friends of mine and then he said something I'll never forget: "I would have done a Rodney King on his ass!" he said. That has stayed with me for over 20 years now.

Hopefully someday it will get better...but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

That's a commendable post.

I don't consider myself to be a racist either and believe it's important to take every person as an individual and make judgment on that basis alone.

That said, it is undeniable that as a group blacks have a far higher rate of criminality. It's also important to note that I believe that is based on societal factors and not some innate character of black skin.
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