(10-02-2017 10:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:40 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:25 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  You seem completely unaware of how people from New York and New Jersey speak. He isn't saying "brown people want everything done for them", he's saying "those people" (in Puerto Rico where the destruction occurred).

It's a pretty commonly used adjective.

I won't deny that people in New York probably talk like that.

Around these parts however, whenever the phrase "those people" is used, it's usually a phrase meant for minorities.

I won't dispute that, but do you think Trump is more likely using the phase as someone from El Paso would, or someone from New York would.

Probably just his NY state of mind. Someone should advise him however how some people perceive a phrase like that.

Someone should advise you on what "you people" means. But I get the impression you already know and will do it anyway.

I'm not the President of the United States and I don't have the American people hanging on my every word.

With the exception of you that is.

(10-02-2017 10:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:40 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I won't deny that people in New York probably talk like that.

Around these parts however, whenever the phrase "those people" is used, it's usually a phrase meant for minorities.

I won't dispute that, but do you think Trump is more likely using the phase as someone from El Paso would, or someone from New York would.

Probably just his NY state of mind. Someone should advise him however how some people perceive a phrase like that.

Someone should advise you on what "you people" means. But I get the impression you already know and will do it anyway.

I'm not the President of the United States and I don't have the American people hanging on my every word.

With the exception of you that is.

Yet you repeatedly use the phrase "you people". Why is that? Hypocrite much?

(10-02-2017 08:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  This is all fine and good, but it's not possible with what we call a media.

The media? What about the President? The man never misses an opportunity to make every event into an us verses them thing.

This guy doesn't care about the damage he is doing as long as everyone is talking about him.

Hasn't he been part of the media a long time? It's hard to separate the two. Just because he pretends to not like it now, doesn't mean that he isn't still part of it. It wasn't long ago that he was still hanging with Mika and Joe.

(10-02-2017 08:48 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  This is all fine and good, but it's not possible with what we call a media.

I would say that the end of civility began with the internet, and its death blow was the birth of social media.

That's not to say we were all civil before that. It is just that uncivil behavior became a socially accepted norm after.

I can agree with that. Before social media, people thought that there was a time and a place for news and it was fairly limited.

What I think social media really did was kill individual thought. It takes nothing to get people to take sides these days.

People get their news from a lot of different sources nowadays. I think it's unfair to blame the media or social media exclusively.

One thing is for sure however, The POTUS isn't doing much in the way of uniting us that 's for sure.

(10-02-2017 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  People get their news from a lot of different sources nowadays. I think it's unfair to blame the media or social media exclusively.

One thing is for sure however, The POTUS isn't doing much in the way of uniting us that 's for sure.

All of those different sources: the media. It also doesn't matter how many sources you get news from if they all share your bias.

(10-02-2017 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  People get their news from a lot of different sources nowadays. I think it's unfair to blame the media or social media exclusively.

One thing is for sure however, The POTUS isn't doing much in the way of uniting us that 's for sure.

Didn't realize he alienated half the country by calling them "deplorables"

(10-02-2017 12:01 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:40 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I won't dispute that, but do you think Trump is more likely using the phase as someone from El Paso would, or someone from New York would.

Probably just his NY state of mind. Someone should advise him however how some people perceive a phrase like that.

Someone should advise you on what "you people" means. But I get the impression you already know and will do it anyway.

I'm not the President of the United States and I don't have the American people hanging on my every word.

With the exception of you that is.

Yet you repeatedly use the phrase "you people". Why is that? Hypocrite much?

I typically say "some people" I don't think I've every used the phrase "you people".

If I did, it was an accident because as I have said before, that phrase is loaded.

At what point has America ever been civil?

(10-02-2017 01:21 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  At what point has America ever been civil?

Its never in my lifetime been as bad as the last couple of years. It was close in the 60s, but still not quite so bad.

(10-02-2017 01:21 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  At what point has America ever been civil?

Well, there was that time between 1861 and 1865......

(10-02-2017 01:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 01:21 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  At what point has America ever been civil?

Well, there was that time between 1861 and 1865......

Suh, you know the proper terminology is thuh War between the States. That war was not Civil.

What's so civil about war anyway?

(10-02-2017 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What's so civil about war anyway?

if you are talking about the "courteous and polite" definition, little is "civil" about war, but there are examples of enemies acting civil during combat.

(10-02-2017 03:34 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What's so civil about war anyway?

if you are talking about the "courteous and polite" definition, little is "civil" about war, but there are examples of enemies acting civil during combat.

I was just quoting Guns and Roses.

(10-02-2017 03:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 03:34 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What's so civil about war anyway?

if you are talking about the "courteous and polite" definition, little is "civil" about war, but there are examples of enemies acting civil during combat.

I was just quoting Guns and Roses.

my bad, not a GNR fan

(10-02-2017 09:34 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I would posit that most of America is perfectly civil to each other. I know my neighbors, talk to the parents at lacrosse and gymnastics, have friends over for dinner and drinks, etc etc. I can count on one hand the number of political comments we make at each other.

One hand.

I have found that disconnecting from media on weekends is helpful. I recently wired up my house with speakers and now we rock some tunes instead of TV. Facebook is used mostly by my wife to post kid pics, and I use it to follow-up on family and a few friends and long ago blocked the more vocal political imbeciles.

And I think most Americans are exactly like me in the above regards.

So don't lose hope.

You live in the Midwest. That's what Midwesterners do. Midwesterners can also disagree about politics without thinking the opponent is Satan/Hitler.

I moved to California 2 years ago from the Midwest. Californians are NOT civil to one another, and if you're not 100% in agreement then you're considered pure evil.