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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
Quote:Miami says they will play at Ark State another year. Problem solved.........

Oh, phew! Disaster averted. :)

I would say, why not play the week Navy plays Army?
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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
(09-06-2017 05:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I know the logistics are anywhere from impossible to ****ing are you kidding me, but is it even remotely remotely possible that Arkansas State could find another opponent with an open date (say, another game in Irma's path is called off and the non-affected team is out a game)?
We are going to try to save the home game...they are valuable to us....but its not looking real good at the moment.

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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
UTSA has a bye the same week as Ark. St. Both had home games cancelled due to weather events. Would one give up a home gate for the extra FBS game?
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(09-06-2017 05:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I know the logistics are anywhere from impossible to ****ing are you kidding me, but is it even remotely remotely possible that Arkansas State could find another opponent with an open date (say, another game in Irma's path is called off and the non-affected team is out a game)?

Not likely. Hurricane Harvey cancelled one game. UTSA-Houston.
AState has an open date on November 4, Houston has a conference game and UTSA has a conference game.

In theory, AState COULD play Sept 28 (Thu) or Sept 29 (Fri) but not the 30th because we follow with a Wednesday game. Houston has a conference game the 30th. UTSA is open but rebuffed the possibility.

Miami has conflicts for both.

That's it for schools impacted by Harvey and Irma
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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
(09-06-2017 06:06 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  UTSA has a bye the same week as Ark. St. Both had home games cancelled due to weather events. Would one give up a home gate for the extra FBS game?

UTSA has reportedly already said no. AState really can't play that Saturday because we have a Wednesday game, it would need to be a Thursday or Friday if played that week.
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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
Yeah, it would have to be a weekday game. I guess they aren't interested in making up an FBS game. Haven't followed them enough to know if bowl eligibility is likely or not. Figured they'd want to play if it was.
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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
Follow-up to the Arkansas State posters: Would they consider adding a game against an FCS school and petitioning the NCAA to grant a one-time exemption for allowing a second FCS game to count to bowl eligibility, given the unique circumstances? The Charleston Southern-South Carolina State game has been postponed and while they're trying to find a way to reschedule for this season, maybe they don't. Charleston Southern is closed so they're out, but maybe S.C. State is willing to take another payday? And I'm guessing there's the possibility of other postponements in the Carolinas if the track bends their way.
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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
What a cowardly move by Miami--this isn't about play safety this is a way to avoid playing a tough G5 on the road, suffer no financial consequences, while financially harming a school that has already fulfilled its end of the contract.

Classless Miami--the rest of Florida FBS has found a means to play and you ought to be too.
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(09-06-2017 07:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What a cowardly move by Miami--this isn't about play safety this is a way to avoid playing a tough G5 on the road, suffer no financial consequences, while financially harming a school that has already fulfilled its end of the contract.

Classless Miami--the rest of Florida FBS has found a means to play and you ought to be too.

I still don't buy this. It's not as though Arkansas State was a perennial two-win team that happen to explode into greatness the year that they were scheduled to host Miami. If Miami was trying to avoid playing a good G5 team, then why would they schedule them at all, much less in a home-and-home? Why wouldn't they buy them out well before now? And again, does anyone honestly think that the UM leadership saw arguably the biggest hurricane threat in state history — worse than Andrew, worse than Charley, maybe even worse than the Labor Day hurricane and the 1926 storm that gave Miami its nickname in the first place — and think about it within the context of getting out of a tough game, which again, they knew was going to be tough for years?

I know there's a heavy G5 contingent (I'm one of them) and there's a good bit of chip-on-the-shoulder attitude w/r/t the power conferences. Often for good cause. This seems like grassy knoll stuff though.
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RE: Miami at Arkansas St canceled: won't be made up
(09-06-2017 07:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Follow-up to the Arkansas State posters: Would they consider adding a game against an FCS school and petitioning the NCAA to grant a one-time exemption for allowing a second FCS game to count to bowl eligibility, given the unique circumstances? The Charleston Southern-South Carolina State game has been postponed and while they're trying to find a way to reschedule for this season, maybe they don't. Charleston Southern is closed so they're out, but maybe S.C. State is willing to take another payday? And I'm guessing there's the possibility of other postponements in the Carolinas if the track bends their way.

There is precedent, South Alabama got the waiver when LSU cancelled on them and they add a second FCS team and got to six wins last season. Again, the game was late in the season. So it may be hard to find a FCS replacement for the affected teams.
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LOL at anyone trying to assert that Miami, MIAMI!, is being 100% well-intentioned here. Argue all you want about legality. This program takes every advantage it can, regardless of optics.

Anyway, the best path forward is for hopefully Arkansas State to try to find another game this season and Miami to commit to getting the home game on their calendar in the halfway-near future.
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(09-06-2017 08:25 PM)chrisRU Wrote:  LOL at anyone trying to assert that Miami, MIAMI!, is being 100% well-intentioned here. Argue all you want about legality. This program takes every advantage it can, regardless of optics.

The same Miami that started a home-and-home at Appalachian State last season?

It's 2017 Miami, not 1985 Miami or 2017 Alabama.
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(09-06-2017 08:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 08:25 PM)chrisRU Wrote:  LOL at anyone trying to assert that Miami, MIAMI!, is being 100% well-intentioned here. Argue all you want about legality. This program takes every advantage it can, regardless of optics.

The same Miami that started a home-and-home at Appalachian State last season?

It's 2017 Miami, not 1985 Miami or 2017 Alabama.

Yes, that Miami. Was Miami playing Florida State the next week after App state last year?

Let's not try to act like Miami Hurricane athletics have been model citizens since 1985. That's laughable. I don't even have to post the pic of Donna Shalala and Nevin Shapiro.

Look, all I'm saying is, they are doing what they feel like they need to do. I don't have any reason to trust their intentions and I don't think we need to be apologists for them. There's reasons for people to not trust their reasoning.
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BTW, I do agree that the right move for Arkansas State is to say "come back by so and so year" and move on.
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(09-06-2017 09:16 PM)chrisRU Wrote:  BTW, I do agree that the right move for Arkansas State is to say "come back by so and so year" and move on.
Not that interested in drawing this out for years. Just pay off the $650k that's due and we all move on clean.

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(09-06-2017 08:10 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 07:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What a cowardly move by Miami--this isn't about play safety this is a way to avoid playing a tough G5 on the road, suffer no financial consequences, while financially harming a school that has already fulfilled its end of the contract.

Classless Miami--the rest of Florida FBS has found a means to play and you ought to be too.

I still don't buy this. It's not as though Arkansas State was a perennial two-win team that happen to explode into greatness the year that they were scheduled to host Miami. If Miami was trying to avoid playing a good G5 team, then why would they schedule them at all, much less in a home-and-home? Why wouldn't they buy them out well before now? And again, does anyone honestly think that the UM leadership saw arguably the biggest hurricane threat in state history — worse than Andrew, worse than Charley, maybe even worse than the Labor Day hurricane and the 1926 storm that gave Miami its nickname in the first place — and think about it within the context of getting out of a tough game, which again, they knew was going to be tough for years?

I know there's a heavy G5 contingent (I'm one of them) and there's a good bit of chip-on-the-shoulder attitude w/r/t the power conferences. Often for good cause. This seems like grassy knoll stuff though.

Want the real story.
Mark Richt asked the AD to buy it out after he was hired. The AD declined to do so because it would hurt the school's reputation within the AD community.

When the initial deal was signed Arkansas State had posted consecutive 10 win seasons BUT both of those coaches had departed. 2 winning seasons and 3 .500 seasons in 10 years at that point.
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Hous plays at USF on N4
both have byes N11
if there is a conflict with NFL, play game at citrus bowl on the 11
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(09-06-2017 09:16 PM)chrisRU Wrote:  BTW, I do agree that the right move for Arkansas State is to say "come back by so and so year" and move on.

Miami's opening position is force majeure applies and the contract is dead.

A-State has said they are going to seek a Week 0 exemption for next season to get it played but I'd give that a 0.000000001% chance of approval.

After that next opportunity would be September 12, 2020 which would a great schedule for A-State, open at Memphis, the host Miami and Tulsa in consecutive weeks.
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(09-06-2017 01:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  What happens if they go ahead and evacuate and can't come back?

They have to evacuate period, if the track doesn't deviate. If they can't come back from wherever they evacuate to they can't come back from the game. What's the difference? If the SoFl airports are knocked out they could fly back to Orlando maybe, or Atlanta/Tallahassee and bus home.
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(09-06-2017 09:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 09:16 PM)chrisRU Wrote:  BTW, I do agree that the right move for Arkansas State is to say "come back by so and so year" and move on.

Miami's opening position is force majeure applies and the contract is dead.

A-State has said they are going to seek a Week 0 exemption for next season to get it played but I'd give that a 0.000000001% chance of approval.

After that next opportunity would be September 12, 2020 which would a great schedule for A-State, open at Memphis, the host Miami and Tulsa in consecutive weeks.

Now that the Hurricane excuse is being used for road games nowhere near the hurricane what needs to happen is everyone needs to refuse to schedule any Florida School for an OOC game. Make them play each other until they are sick of playing each other. Florida tried to pull this crap on L.S.U. and now Miami does it for an away game.

IMO it's not worth the monetary risk to schedule any of them since Hurricane season starts to peak in August and runs through November. If you don't have a conference commissioner to enforce the game like Sankey had to do with Florida and L.S.U. your a fool for scheduling a Florida school period.
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