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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
Is there any steak to this sizzle? All I've seen are articles that point out that Selig is among those with experience that also have UVa. ties. I'm guessing they're going to be in something of a holding pattern until they figure out who their next president is going to be.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-06-2017 02:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: Is there any steak to this sizzle? All I've seen are articles that point out that Selig is among those with experience that also have UVa. ties. I'm guessing they're going to be in something of a holding pattern until they figure out who their next president is going to be.
I think that they also need to vet his credentials with Antifa.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
Well if he leaves maybe ODU will be good like WKU after he left there.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-06-2017 02:51 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote: Well if he leaves maybe ODU will be good like WKU after he left there.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
Grass isn't always greener....Trust me.
In his time, Wood has seen the Football program win/attend it's first ever bowl game, first 10 win season, and a top 25 ranking for basketball. I'm not saying you all should be satisfied, but just be careful what you wish for.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
Glory^ s/
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-07-2017 06:56 AM)757ODU Wrote: Grass isn't always greener....Trust me.
In his time, Wood has seen the Football program win/attend it's first ever bowl game, first 10 win season, and a top 25 ranking for basketball. I'm not saying you all should be satisfied, but just be careful what you wish for.
This.
I feel like Wood is a vast improvement over Jim Jarrett.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
On the surface it would certainly seem that you are correct, but then you look at results on the field/court, and it is hard to say. Baseball is really the only sport that has improved under his direction. I don't include football because Jarrett hired the coach, and Bruce Stewart is really running the program. It seems he has improved fundraising, and he did oversee the move to FBS, which are positives. But he also has overseen the destruction of two very strong basketball programs as well as Field Hockey. Not sure Jarrett would have done better, probably not, but it is certainly not clear cut that he is better at the job than the old drunk.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
Different people. Different circumstances. Different aspirations.
Jarrett was here to get things started. Fund-raising wasn't as vital as it is today.
Selig is growing the program as a whole. Raising money is essential to that goal and has to be a constant on the minds of athletic administrators. People don't like it, want to back to the good old days. That's not happening, not with the marching orders coming down from the President's office.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
The destruction of our basketball team is a bit of hyperbole. Yes, we do all want better for both basketball teams.
Not giving credit to the AD for football is odd, even if you think people below him are attributing to the success. The CEO should always be judged by what their employees do. Hiring/keeping good people is a positive.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-07-2017 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Not giving credit to the AD for football is odd, even if you think people below him are attributing to the success. The CEO should always be judged by what their employees do. Hiring/keeping good people is a positive.
Jarrett did everything he could to keep football out of ODU. We would not have football today if Runte hadn't told him she wanted it. After his odd little dream of I-AAA football with need based scholarships was shot down by the NCAA he and then President Koch were anti-football and sooo into "selective excellence" it wasn't funny. Thier version of selective excellence seemed to translate to women's hoops and field hockey are gonna be good, men's hoops should be, and the rest of the sports don't suck too bad but we don't really care. When I was a student there was a joke in my circle of friends that our athletics slogan should be "Old Dominion. Where men are men and women are champions." Not that we should not aspire to win championships in all sports (something that Wood does) but I don't think it was a great priority of Jarrett.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-07-2017 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: The destruction of our basketball team is a bit of hyperbole. Yes, we do all want better for both basketball teams.
Not giving credit to the AD for football is odd, even if you think people below him are attributing to the success. The CEO should always be judged by what their employees do. Hiring/keeping good people is a positive.
It really isn't. We were on the same trajectory as VCU and WSU not very long ago. We are on the same trajectory as W&M now. We had raucous crowds and packed houses fairly regularly recently, now the place is mostly a mausoleum and 2/3 full if we are lucky. The overall health of the program is nowhere near where it was fairly recently.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-07-2017 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Not giving credit to the AD for football is odd, even if you think people below him are attributing to the success. The CEO should always be judged by what their employees do. Hiring/keeping good people is a positive.
Simple. He hired the coaches for the sports that I blamed him for. He did not hire the coach for Football, nor did he hire Bruce Stewart. If anything, he has made it harder for the football program to grow with his obsession with "the streak" and his participation in the slow uber conservative approach to improving facilities.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-07-2017 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: The destruction of our basketball team is a bit of hyperbole. Yes, we do all want better for both basketball teams.
Not giving credit to the AD for football is odd, even if you think people below him are attributing to the success. The CEO should always be judged by what their employees do. Hiring/keeping good people is a positive.
Jarrett, not Selig, was responsible for football, the ensuing money spigot, and Bobby Wilder. Selig's legacy, if he leaves now, will be the CUSA move and the Jeff Jones hire and the results so far are debatable and long term not set in stone as the future of CUSA and its relationship with the P5 are murky and we may find ourselves overleveraged if we hit any more bumps in the road. Long-term football could well turn out fine, but I'm not confident it will. Basketball he done damage to, IMO.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-07-2017 10:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: (09-07-2017 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Not giving credit to the AD for football is odd, even if you think people below him are attributing to the success. The CEO should always be judged by what their employees do. Hiring/keeping good people is a positive.
Simple. He hired the coaches for the sports that I blamed him for. He did not hire the coach for Football, nor did he hire Bruce Stewart. If anything, he has made it harder for the football program to grow with his obsession with "the streak" and his participation in the slow uber conservative approach to improving facilities.
You can't really blame hime for the facilities. Kind of hard to justify a 35-40k stadium when attendence is getting tougher each game and all but one game every year will be FCS, someone like UMass, F_U, and UTSA. Frankly, playing JMU, W&M, and Richmond would have demanded a bigger stadium, but you can't spend that kind of money for a few future games against VT.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
Jarrett never wanted football, we have Runte to thank for bring football to ODU. He did however hire Wilder, Taylor, Larry, Anders and Dawson who all achieved at least some levels of greatness. Jarrett may not have been the best AD, but he could hire a good coach. Wood hired Jeff Jones, moved to CUSA, fired Wendy Larry (which I still think was sad but had to be done), got rid of the Big Blue Club for ODAF, created the rally ally and nixed the Monarch Maniacs. The jury is still out on how the new stadium comes out, but if its not better than JMUs, WKUs, FAUs and Charlotte's it will be considered a bust from the start. That doesn't mean more seats, just better all around and more impressive. If CUSA appears to have been the right move five years from now (its debatable at best at the moment), basketball is strong and drawing crowds and the new football stadium is beautiful and still packed I think Wood's good legacy will be set. If that doesn't happen I think people will be calling for him to go.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
Runte, not Jarrett, was responsible for football. Period. Jarrett only gets any credit on football the way any US Vice President gets credit when the US President does some thing right. Runte drove the train and JJ stood in the aisle and took tickets.
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RE: Wood Selig to UVA?
(09-07-2017 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote: (09-07-2017 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: The destruction of our basketball team is a bit of hyperbole. Yes, we do all want better for both basketball teams.
Not giving credit to the AD for football is odd, even if you think people below him are attributing to the success. The CEO should always be judged by what their employees do. Hiring/keeping good people is a positive.
Jarrett, not Selig, was responsible for football, the ensuing money spigot, and Bobby Wilder. Selig's legacy, if he leaves now, will be the CUSA move and the Jeff Jones hire and the results so far are debatable and long term not set in stone as the future of CUSA and its relationship with the P5 are murky and we may find ourselves overleveraged if we hit any more bumps in the road. Long-term football could well turn out fine, but I'm not confident it will. Basketball he done damage to, IMO.
Jarrett can be responsible for football, but Selig took it to another level and increased pay for Wilder (and his assistants) to keep them around by raising money.
This is an important season basketball wise. You could blame him for holding on to Taylor as long as he did and the hole we had to dig out.
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