DACA should be in Congress' hands. A continuing great move by President Trump by forcing Congress to take responsibility. 2018 promises to be a "rubber meets the road" election. I hope President Trump finds a way to include a few more defining issues into the 2018 elections.

(09-05-2017 10:35 AM)Dasville Wrote:  DACA should be in Congress' hands. A continuing great move by President Trump by forcing Congress to take responsibility. 2018 promises to be a "rubber meets the road" election. I hope President Trump finds a way to include a few more defining issues into the 2018 elections.

With as dysfunctional as Congress has been and is, this may be the death knell of DACA.

Which is fine with me.

I understand the emotion behind the idea, but application of the law is based on reason.

Jurors are told to base their decision solely on the evidence presented during the trial as it applies to the existing law.


I don't remember which poster said this, but it makes the point:

The law does not allow children of convicted embezzlers to keep the property gained by the illegally obtained money.

Seems like the perfect solution to me. Punt back to Congress since the executive action was illegal in the first place.

(09-05-2017 11:02 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Seems like the perfect solution to me. Punt back to Congress since the executive action was illegal in the first place.

Didn't the Supreme Court uphold an injunction blocking Obama's program? I believe there needs to be a way for these folks to gain citizenship; however, like all immigration, it needs to be legal.

Quick question as I don't know the answer and don't care to do the research. Many people have said in the past that the president has a lot of power when it comes to deciding who can enter the country but then say the president doesn't have the power to enact DACA. What am I missing? Why can the president legally decide what groups of people can travel to the US but not say a certain group of people can legally stay here? Sorry if it was previously discussed and I missed it.

(09-05-2017 11:12 AM)EpicNiner Wrote:  Quick question as I don't know the answer and don't care to do the research. Many people have said in the past that the president has a lot of power when it comes to deciding who can enter the country but then say the president doesn't have the power to enact DACA. What am I missing? Why can the president legally decide what groups of people can travel to the US but not say a certain group of people can legally stay here? Sorry if it was previously discussed and I missed it.

(09-05-2017 11:12 AM)EpicNiner Wrote:  Quick question as I don't know the answer and don't care to do the research. Many people have said in the past that the president has a lot of power when it comes to deciding who can enter the country but then say the president doesn't have the power to enact DACA. What am I missing? Why can the president legally decide what groups of people can travel to the US but not say a certain group of people can legally stay here? Sorry if it was previously discussed and I missed it.

If I am correct, DACA was an executive order by President Obama so Trump is perfectly within his right to end it.

Doing so however will be politically damaging to Congress. Since Trump is burning bridges left and right, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans simply give them amnesty.

(09-05-2017 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:02 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Seems like the perfect solution to me. Punt back to Congress since the executive action was illegal in the first place.

Didn't the Supreme Court uphold an injunction blocking Obama's program? I believe there needs to be a way for these folks to gain citizenship; however, like all immigration, it needs to be legal.

Legal residency I am luke warm on that, but no I don't want them voting.

(09-05-2017 12:02 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:02 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Seems like the perfect solution to me. Punt back to Congress since the executive action was illegal in the first place.

Didn't the Supreme Court uphold an injunction blocking Obama's program? I believe there needs to be a way for these folks to gain citizenship; however, like all immigration, it needs to be legal.

Legal residency I am luke warm on that, but no I don't want them voting.

Why not?

(09-05-2017 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:12 AM)EpicNiner Wrote:  Quick question as I don't know the answer and don't care to do the research. Many people have said in the past that the president has a lot of power when it comes to deciding who can enter the country but then say the president doesn't have the power to enact DACA. What am I missing? Why can the president legally decide what groups of people can travel to the US but not say a certain group of people can legally stay here? Sorry if it was previously discussed and I missed it.

If I am correct, DACA was an executive order by President Obama so Trump is perfectly within his right to end it.

Doing so however will be politically damaging to Congress. Since Trump is burning bridges left and right, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans simply give them amnesty.

Apologies if my question wasn't clear. People are saying, and even filing suits, saying that Obama did not have the legal right to enact DACA. And this is one reason Trump was put under pressure to reverse it. My question is why does this fall outside the power of the president, if it indeed does?

(09-05-2017 12:08 PM)EpicNiner Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:12 AM)EpicNiner Wrote:  Quick question as I don't know the answer and don't care to do the research. Many people have said in the past that the president has a lot of power when it comes to deciding who can enter the country but then say the president doesn't have the power to enact DACA. What am I missing? Why can the president legally decide what groups of people can travel to the US but not say a certain group of people can legally stay here? Sorry if it was previously discussed and I missed it.

If I am correct, DACA was an executive order by President Obama so Trump is perfectly within his right to end it.

Doing so however will be politically damaging to Congress. Since Trump is burning bridges left and right, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans simply give them amnesty.

Apologies if my question wasn't clear. People are saying, and even filing suits, saying that Obama did not have the legal right to enact DACA. And this is one reason Trump was put under pressure to reverse it. My question is why does this fall outside the power of the president, if it indeed does?

Slippery slope. Just ONE DACA could be determined to be a national security risk through his or her actions. That would trigger action against them all.

The left believes it is worth the lives of thousands of Americans to ensure the rights of one terrorist. More protein to them.

(09-05-2017 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:12 AM)EpicNiner Wrote:  Quick question as I don't know the answer and don't care to do the research. Many people have said in the past that the president has a lot of power when it comes to deciding who can enter the country but then say the president doesn't have the power to enact DACA. What am I missing? Why can the president legally decide what groups of people can travel to the US but not say a certain group of people can legally stay here? Sorry if it was previously discussed and I missed it.

If I am correct, DACA was an executive order by President Obama so Trump is perfectly within his right to end it.

Doing so however will be politically damaging to Congress. Since Trump is burning bridges left and right, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans simply give them amnesty.

I don't see it as Trump burning bridges. Instead, I see a Congress that has decided from Day 1 to oppose the POTUS at every step of the way -- including those issues about which they told the American people they would overturn (i.e. ObamaCare).

DACA should be ended.

Congress is the ultimate power in this issue and should be. It should never have been in the executive branch's hands.

This BRIDGE Act is simply an abomination.

(09-05-2017 12:38 PM)Dasville Wrote:  The left believes it is worth the lives of thousands of Americans to ensure the rights of one terrorist. More protein to them.

What in the world are you talking about?

(09-05-2017 12:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 12:02 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:08 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:02 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Seems like the perfect solution to me. Punt back to Congress since the executive action was illegal in the first place.

Didn't the Supreme Court uphold an injunction blocking Obama's program? I believe there needs to be a way for these folks to gain citizenship; however, like all immigration, it needs to be legal.

Legal residency I am luke warm on that, but no I don't want them voting.

Why not?

1) they are here illegally
2) It takes years to become a citizen as a legal resident

(09-05-2017 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 11:12 AM)EpicNiner Wrote:  Quick question as I don't know the answer and don't care to do the research. Many people have said in the past that the president has a lot of power when it comes to deciding who can enter the country but then say the president doesn't have the power to enact DACA. What am I missing? Why can the president legally decide what groups of people can travel to the US but not say a certain group of people can legally stay here? Sorry if it was previously discussed and I missed it.

If I am correct, DACA was an executive order by President Obama so Trump is perfectly within his right to end it.

Doing so however will be politically damaging to Congress. Since Trump is burning bridges left and right, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans simply give them amnesty.

Actully it places the ball in the court for Democrats to come up with a reasonable solution. They can't run on justifying breaking the law. I'm sure both side with 6 months to work with can come up with a workable agreement.

(09-05-2017 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 12:38 PM)Dasville Wrote:  The left believes it is worth the lives of thousands of Americans to ensure the rights of one terrorist. More protein to them.

What in the world are you talking about?

You are an old party. Better drink that protein. I don't see one young person in your party. It's about personality isn't it? Even Obama is old.

I think we should establish a new way here is the US. We should govern based on anecdotes, personal stories and which way the wind is blowing.

Abandon concepts like the rule of law. It is way too complicated that way.

DACA is a giant middle finger to American millenials.