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For those of you that went to the practices
Did Graham look as lost in practice as he did in this first game? I pretty much everyone I read said he was clearly the best QB we had but man did he look like a boy amongst men in that game.
09-05-2017 10:23 AM
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(09-05-2017 10:23 AM)foch41 Wrote:  Did Graham look as lost in practice as he did in this first game? I pretty much everyone I read said he was clearly the best QB we had but man did he look like a boy amongst men in that game.
I noted in other posts that his accuracy wasn't his strong suit. Remember though what a practice entails: no tackling of QB, typically no QB runs and a dozen WRs running routes where the timing may not be in sync.

So there are 3 thoughts on the QB situation.

Plan A, Go with the experienced QB who makes less mistakes but his accuracy fluctuates.

Plan B is to go with a better runner who doesn't have the experience and will make more turnovers.

Plan C is to get the backups experience by having a series or 2 each game to help learn the game and find a way to improve.

I saw the backups and they do make more mental mistakes than Graham.

I would suggest that this board find some patience and fast (think Mindfulness) or this may be a long season for us all. We should find a way to support these young men as they learn the most difficult position. Remember Graham was not getting all the reps in practice so even he could improve with more reps and experience.

Think about how you would want to be treated if you were in their shoes.

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RE: For those of you that went to the practices
Look to the past. Chandler redshirts, then started 9 games in 2008 for a 6-7 team. He improves and the Huskies go 7-6 in 2009. 2010 & 2011 he took a huge step. Next we have Lynch that didn't have to start until he was a Junior. My point is that it takes time to get to that level of play. There's gonna be down years while the QB position reloads. Everyone be patient with the QB situation. It'll get there again someday.
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RE: For those of you that went to the practices
(09-05-2017 10:45 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:23 AM)foch41 Wrote:  Did Graham look as lost in practice as he did in this first game? I pretty much everyone I read said he was clearly the best QB we had but man did he look like a boy amongst men in that game.
I noted in other posts that his accuracy wasn't his strong suit. Remember though what a practice entails: no tackling of QB, typically no QB runs and a dozen WRs running routes where the timing may not be in sync.

So there are 3 thoughts on the QB situation.

Plan A, Go with the experienced QB who makes less mistakes but his accuracy fluctuates.

Plan B is to go with a better runner who doesn't have the experience and will make more turnovers.

Plan C is to get the backups experience by having a series or 2 each game to help learn the game and find a way to improve.

I saw the backups and they do make more mental mistakes than Graham.

I would suggest that this board find some patience and fast (think Mindfulness) or this may be a long season for us all. We should find a way to support these young men as they learn the most difficult position. Remember Graham was not getting all the reps in practice so even he could improve with more reps and experience.

Think about how you would want to be treated if you were in their shoes.

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Don't get me wrong I will be there on Saturday cheering him on I am still a spoiled NIU fan who got too used to winning all the time. Having good QBs, great RBs and an all around great supporting staff. I was just hoping someone would tell me that he was taking charge in practice and being the leader that I didn't see during game 1 and maybe game 2 things would get turned around. I personally am looking forward to seeing if Rodney Hall can take a jump into being the starter next year after taking this year to learn.
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(09-05-2017 11:01 AM)foch41 Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:45 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:23 AM)foch41 Wrote:  Did Graham look as lost in practice as he did in this first game? I pretty much everyone I read said he was clearly the best QB we had but man did he look like a boy amongst men in that game.
I noted in other posts that his accuracy wasn't his strong suit. Remember though what a practice entails: no tackling of QB, typically no QB runs and a dozen WRs running routes where the timing may not be in sync.

So there are 3 thoughts on the QB situation.

Plan A, Go with the experienced QB who makes less mistakes but his accuracy fluctuates.

Plan B is to go with a better runner who doesn't have the experience and will make more turnovers.

Plan C is to get the backups experience by having a series or 2 each game to help learn the game and find a way to improve.

I saw the backups and they do make more mental mistakes than Graham.

I would suggest that this board find some patience and fast (think Mindfulness) or this may be a long season for us all. We should find a way to support these young men as they learn the most difficult position. Remember Graham was not getting all the reps in practice so even he could improve with more reps and experience.

Think about how you would want to be treated if you were in their shoes.

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Don't get me wrong I will be there on Saturday cheering him on I am still a spoiled NIU fan who got too used to winning all the time. Having good QBs, great RBs and an all around great supporting staff. I was just hoping someone would tell me that he was taking charge in practice and being the leader that I didn't see during game 1 and maybe game 2 things would get turned around. I personally am looking forward to seeing if Rodney Hall can take a jump into being the starter next year after taking this year to learn.
"Taking charge..."

I guess that is hard to tell. Most of practice, at least the ones I saw had the different parts of the team go off to different areas and work on specific skills. For instance, QBs running around cones before making a 10 yard out throw.

DBs backpedalling under a tarp to force good posture while looking into the backfield.

Then they would clear the field and have a QB lead an offense against the defense. Sometimes they focused on 3rd and 9 situations etc...

So yes Graham looked like he had command of the offense but he didn't look like Peyton Manning either.

Other times in practice they rotated all 22 players to simulate the fast pace (which is why I don't understand why our team was surprised when BC went uo tempo early in the game).

I guess your definition of "lost" might mean he didn't know the offense? I would say he does know the offense but execution was the issue. Frankly, knowledge of the offense is his strong suit.

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RE: For those of you that went to the practices
See my comments on page 5 of the Boston College Toughts thread.

I think 7 gave a solid assessment when he said the following:

"Here's the best way I could break it down:
Graham gives you the least amount of bad, but he gives us less noticeably good than Santa; Santa gives you the most amount of good, but he'll give you more bad than Graham; I saw the least amount of good and the most amount of bad from Childers".

At that point, 7 appeared to be siding with Santa; I think he went back to Graham after another practice he attended when Graham looked sharp and Santa looked bad.
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(09-05-2017 11:49 AM)Djud Wrote:  See my comments on page 5 of the Boston College Toughts thread.

I think 7 gave a solid assessment when he said the following:

"Here's the best way I could break it down:
Graham gives you the least amount of bad, but he gives us less noticeably good than Santa; Santa gives you the most amount of good, but he'll give you more bad than Graham; I saw the least amount of good and the most amount of bad from Childers".

At that point, 7 appeared to me siding with Santa; I think he went back to Graham after another practice he attended when Graham looked sharp and Santa looked bad.
...and Childers might have had the best spring practice. I guess the idea is unless you were in EVERY team meeting and practice you just don't know how they graded out overall.

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RE: For those of you that went to the practices
(09-05-2017 12:11 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 11:49 AM)Djud Wrote:  See my comments on page 5 of the Boston College Toughts thread.

I think 7 gave a solid assessment when he said the following:

"Here's the best way I could break it down:
Graham gives you the least amount of bad, but he gives us less noticeably good than Santa; Santa gives you the most amount of good, but he'll give you more bad than Graham; I saw the least amount of good and the most amount of bad from Childers".

At that point, 7 appeared to me siding with Santa; I think he went back to Graham after another practice he attended when Graham looked sharp and Santa looked bad.
...and Childers might have had the best spring practice. I guess the idea is unless you were in EVERY team meeting and practice you just don't know how they graded out overall.

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I'm starting to understand the screename "team duh". Thanks for the brilliant insight
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RE: For those of you that went to the practices
I was at two practices this fall and Graham looked better then than he did Friday night. A few things to consider:

-Graham had instructions to get rid of the ball quickly on Friday, which probably led him to rushing a few throws. BC had 47 sacks last year, their D line is really good. He'll have more time in other games.

-As I mentioned in the game thoughts thread, it's not all on Graham. His receivers need to make some plays too. I counted four drops, some of which would have been good catches I grant you, but those plays need to be made. FWIW here are the ones I considered drops: (1) A throw in the flat to Marcus Jones was a clear drop, he tried to run before he caught it; (2) The throw down the right sideline to Wimann. Would have been a good catch but that was a perfect throw that hit him right in the hands; (3) A throw to the left sideline that Beebe stretched for and couldn't get. Again would have been a good catch, again hit him in the hands and needs to be caught; (4) The throw to Wesley. Yes it was behind him but was right in his hands and he's probably still running if he catches that one.

-There were also eight times I counted where there was no one open and Graham had to unload it somewhere. One was the interception. The other seven times he threw it where no one could catch it, to his credit.
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(09-05-2017 01:19 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  I was at two practices this fall and Graham looked better then than he did Friday night. A few things to consider:

-Graham had instructions to get rid of the ball quickly on Friday, which probably led him to rushing a few throws. BC had 47 sacks last year, their D line is really good. He'll have more time in other games.

-As I mentioned in the game thoughts thread, it's not all on Graham. His receivers need to make some plays too. I counted four drops, some of which would have been good catches I grant you, but those plays need to be made. FWIW here are the ones I considered drops: (1) A throw in the flat to Marcus Jones was a clear drop, he tried to run before he caught it; (2) The throw down the right sideline to Wimann. Would have been a good catch but that was a perfect throw that hit him right in the hands; (3) A throw to the left sideline that Beebe stretched for and couldn't get. Again would have been a good catch, again hit him in the hands and needs to be caught; (4) The throw to Wesley. Yes it was behind him but was right in his hands and he's probably still running if he catches that one.

-There were also eight times I counted where there was no one open and Graham had to unload it somewhere. One was the interception. The other seven times he threw it where no one could catch it, to his credit.

Did you notice if he went through any of his progressions? If a guys not open it's up to him to find the next guy. Though, like you said, the idea was to get rid of the ball quickly and maybe they didn't want him looking off any receivers. Not often anyway.
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I thought he did a good job with his progressions in the practices I saw.
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Phrasing is key...was he the best QB at practice? Or the least bad? Least bad. Agree with others though, this is one of the better D's NIU will face this year. It wasn't a complete loss, just feels so much worse because with a slightly better performance we win.

I also don't think he looked lost, they seemed to have a gameplan that they followed, but you have to hit a deep ball once and a while and not have as many misses.
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(09-05-2017 02:07 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  Phrasing is key...was he the best QB at practice? Or the least bad? Least bad. Agree with others though, this is one of the better D's NIU will face this year. It wasn't a complete loss, just feels so much worse because with a slightly better performance we win.

I also don't think he looked lost, they seemed to have a gameplan that they followed, but you have to hit a deep ball once and a while and not have as many misses.

When I say he looked lost, it seemed to be mostly between the plays. He didn't seem to know how to get order and how to properly communicate with the sidelines and execute that to the guys.
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(09-05-2017 02:55 PM)foch41 Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 02:07 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  Phrasing is key...was he the best QB at practice? Or the least bad? Least bad. Agree with others though, this is one of the better D's NIU will face this year. It wasn't a complete loss, just feels so much worse because with a slightly better performance we win.

I also don't think he looked lost, they seemed to have a gameplan that they followed, but you have to hit a deep ball once and a while and not have as many misses.

When I say he looked lost, it seemed to be mostly between the plays. He didn't seem to know how to get order and how to properly communicate with the sidelines and execute that to the guys.

I can't say I paid too much attention to him in between, so you may be right. However, one thing that was lacking on Friday from what we saw the last 2 years were false start and illegal formation calls, maybe we had one?
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(09-05-2017 03:47 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  I can't say I paid too much attention to him in between, so you may be right. However, one thing that was lacking on Friday from what we saw the last 2 years were false start and illegal formation calls, maybe we had one?

We had one false start that I remember. If I remember correctly, it was on Shane Wimann.
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