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Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
Realize this thread will be ridiculed but read and think.

Have Delaware, Stony Brook, Albany join too. Stony Brook has long intended to go FBS. Albany won't fall behind them.

The CAA is too anal as Hofstra forbids Stony Brook from joining as a full member so the CAA is not a vehicle to go FBS. Liberty has proven that FBS waivers are possible.

Kennesaw St intends to go FBS too, but the Sun Belt isn't interested in them as long as Ga St is a member.

The Atlantic Sun doesn't have many member and would have difficulty attracting new ones, but as a football conference that would change every thing. UNF and FGCU need a conference vehicle to go FBS eventually. After JMU and the other Northern teams join, USC-Upstate, Lipscomb, NJIT and Stetson can join other conferences.

Consider UT-Chattanoog, Jacksonville St and E Kentucky too, as there have been reports that all three want FBS. Get UMASS and Army and maybe Liberty too. JMU 's admin would be open to an FBS conference with academic credentials, a northeastern presence and a Florida presence. The Sun Belt doesn't have any of that but S Brook, Albany and Delaware give a northeastern presence and academic credentials.

Here would be the end result:

Atlantic Sun
North
Albany
Stony Brook
Delaware
JMU
Liberty
E Kentucky
Army - fb only

South
Kennesaw St
UNF - future FBS
FGCU - future FBS
UNA - future FBS
Jacksonville St
Chattanooga- future FBS

Belive JMU admin would be much happier with this conference than the Belt.

Travel wise it mimics the ACC and would be nearly as bad as CUSA. If things fall in place, wouldn't be surprised if this is already being planned. Fire away.
09-05-2017 12:04 AM
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
While you research about particular schools' interest in FBS may be sound, your knowledge of the college landscape and how any of these institutions fit together is way off.

After more than a decade of speculation, JMU is all-in for AAC or bust. Clearly the administration has no interest in FBS for FBS sake - not a bad thing in my book. But the dream scenario that somehow a transitional FCS-FBS JMU would be picked over other teams to join the AAC is just that - a dream scenario.

Unless the big conferences shake up again, you'll see no movement from Harrisonburg. I do though appreciate your creativity in thinking yet another JMU2FBS scenario. No one on the East Coast would have ever thought up what you propose.
09-05-2017 12:48 AM
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
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(09-05-2017 12:48 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  While you research about particular schools' interest in FBS may be sound, your knowledge of the college landscape and how any of these institutions fit together is way off.

After more than a decade of speculation, JMU is all-in for AAC or bust. Clearly the administration has no interest in FBS for FBS sake - not a bad thing in my book. But the dream scenario that somehow a transitional FCS-FBS JMU would be picked over other teams to join the AAC is just that - a dream scenario.

Unless the big conferences shake up again, you'll see no movement from Harrisonburg. I do though appreciate your creativity in thinking yet another JMU2FBS scenario. No one on the East Coast would have ever thought up what you propose.
09-05-2017 08:55 AM
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Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
No firing.

Interesting thought, but unfortunately I believe it's just that. A thought.

Ain' gonna happen. Least not til Carrier is reinstalled as interim Pres...


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09-05-2017 09:03 AM
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
(09-05-2017 12:04 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Realize this thread will be ridiculed but read and think.

Have Delaware, Stony Brook, Albany join too. Stony Brook has long intended to go FBS. Albany won't fall behind them.

The CAA is too anal as Hofstra forbids Stony Brook from joining as a full member so the CAA is not a vehicle to go FBS. Liberty has proven that FBS waivers are possible.

Kennesaw St intends to go FBS too, but the Sun Belt isn't interested in them as long as Ga St is a member.

The Atlantic Sun doesn't have many member and would have difficulty attracting new ones, but as a football conference that would change every thing. UNF and FGCU need a conference vehicle to go FBS eventually. After JMU and the other Northern teams join, USC-Upstate, Lipscomb, NJIT and Stetson can join other conferences.

Consider UT-Chattanoog, Jacksonville St and E Kentucky too, as there have been reports that all three want FBS. Get UMASS and Army and maybe Liberty too. JMU 's admin would be open to an FBS conference with academic credentials, a northeastern presence and a Florida presence. The Sun Belt doesn't have any of that but S Brook, Albany and Delaware give a northeastern presence and academic credentials.

Here would be the end result:

Atlantic Sun
North
Albany
Stony Brook
Delaware
JMU
Liberty
E Kentucky
Army - fb only

South
Kennesaw St
UNF - future FBS
FGCU - future FBS
UNA - future FBS
Jacksonville St
Chattanooga- future FBS

Belive JMU admin would be much happier with this conference than the Belt.

Travel wise it mimics the ACC and would be nearly as bad as CUSA. If things fall in place, wouldn't be surprised if this is already being planned. Fire away.

You are not understanding the reasons why we turned down the sun belt.

Contrary to the haters belief, it had nothing to do with not wanting to be fbs and everything to do with the conference not being a good fit for jmu as a school and program.

We get almost no students from the southeast, have no history or connection with schools down there and play many sports that are not played or emphasized down there.

This league would be the same.

Cusa is more attractive because of schools like odu, Marshall, charlotte that have better connections to us. That is why we would go there despite the league being so spread out.
09-05-2017 09:15 AM
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
(09-05-2017 09:15 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 12:04 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Realize this thread will be ridiculed but read and think.

Have Delaware, Stony Brook, Albany join too. Stony Brook has long intended to go FBS. Albany won't fall behind them.

The CAA is too anal as Hofstra forbids Stony Brook from joining as a full member so the CAA is not a vehicle to go FBS. Liberty has proven that FBS waivers are possible.

Kennesaw St intends to go FBS too, but the Sun Belt isn't interested in them as long as Ga St is a member.

The Atlantic Sun doesn't have many member and would have difficulty attracting new ones, but as a football conference that would change every thing. UNF and FGCU need a conference vehicle to go FBS eventually. After JMU and the other Northern teams join, USC-Upstate, Lipscomb, NJIT and Stetson can join other conferences.

Consider UT-Chattanoog, Jacksonville St and E Kentucky too, as there have been reports that all three want FBS. Get UMASS and Army and maybe Liberty too. JMU 's admin would be open to an FBS conference with academic credentials, a northeastern presence and a Florida presence. The Sun Belt doesn't have any of that but S Brook, Albany and Delaware give a northeastern presence and academic credentials.

Here would be the end result:

Atlantic Sun
North
Albany
Stony Brook
Delaware
JMU
Liberty
E Kentucky
Army - fb only

South
Kennesaw St
UNF - future FBS
FGCU - future FBS
UNA - future FBS
Jacksonville St
Chattanooga- future FBS

Belive JMU admin would be much happier with this conference than the Belt.

Travel wise it mimics the ACC and would be nearly as bad as CUSA. If things fall in place, wouldn't be surprised if this is already being planned. Fire away.

You are not understanding the reasons why we turned down the sun belt.

Contrary to the haters belief, it had nothing to do with not wanting to be fbs and everything to do with the conference not being a good fit for jmu as a school and program.

We get almost no students from the southeast, have no history or connection with schools down there and play many sports that are not played or emphasized down there.

This league would be the same.

Cusa is more attractive because of schools like odu, Marshall, charlotte that have better connections to us. That is why we would go there despite the league being so spread out.

What schools in the CAA exactly does the JMU admin so value?
Elon, College of Charleston, UNC-W, Drexel, Hofstra? Hofstra and Northeastern have dropped football and therefore aren't interested in elevating the sport in CAA.

Can understand JMU desire to be with George Mason, Old Dominion, VCU, and Richmond, but they have all left.

Stony Brook far exceeds the academics of any CAA school, as it is AAU. But perhaps JMU likes the tony privates like Hofstra, but they will only bring down JMU athletics over time.

A conference with a northeast presence for student recruiting and one with a Florida presence for student and athlete and alumni presence makes incredible sense and the Sun Belt doesn't offer either, so can understand why JMU admin would look there. But an Atlantic Sun with Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany has the necessary schools that JMU wants to be associated with.

But perhaps I'm underestimating JMU desire to associate with William & Mary and Towson.
09-05-2017 12:56 PM
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
Don't forget about that completely awesome TV package the CAA put together!
JMU saw the CAA as a Virginia conference which is what kept them so loyal to it for so long. The problem is an athletic program needs to always put its own interests ahead of the loyalty to the conference.
Now the conference is a shadow of what it once was, or at least what JMU saw as advantageous to stay.
The idea of the Atlantic Sun conference does not impress me too much. If there is a new conference created, I think JMU will be one of the first to join, along with ODU. I also think it will be focused on the mid-atlantic. The Atlantic Sun conference proposed here is a bit too spread out. While the North looks good, I just don't know how close Stony Brook and Albany are to being FBS ready. I do think Delaware would be ready to go.

All we can do now is just keep winning and make it a no-brainer for a conference to invite us. If we can get MBB at least respectable again we have a very good chance, and that's a big "if".
09-05-2017 01:05 PM
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
(09-05-2017 12:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  But perhaps I'm underestimating JMU desire to associate with William & Mary and Towson.

I believe it has more to do with Willie and his bride (also his first cousin) than anyone or anything else.
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
(09-05-2017 12:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 09:15 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 12:04 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Realize this thread will be ridiculed but read and think.

Have Delaware, Stony Brook, Albany join too. Stony Brook has long intended to go FBS. Albany won't fall behind them.

The CAA is too anal as Hofstra forbids Stony Brook from joining as a full member so the CAA is not a vehicle to go FBS. Liberty has proven that FBS waivers are possible.

Kennesaw St intends to go FBS too, but the Sun Belt isn't interested in them as long as Ga St is a member.

The Atlantic Sun doesn't have many member and would have difficulty attracting new ones, but as a football conference that would change every thing. UNF and FGCU need a conference vehicle to go FBS eventually. After JMU and the other Northern teams join, USC-Upstate, Lipscomb, NJIT and Stetson can join other conferences.

Consider UT-Chattanoog, Jacksonville St and E Kentucky too, as there have been reports that all three want FBS. Get UMASS and Army and maybe Liberty too. JMU 's admin would be open to an FBS conference with academic credentials, a northeastern presence and a Florida presence. The Sun Belt doesn't have any of that but S Brook, Albany and Delaware give a northeastern presence and academic credentials.

Here would be the end result:

Atlantic Sun
North
Albany
Stony Brook
Delaware
JMU
Liberty
E Kentucky
Army - fb only

South
Kennesaw St
UNF - future FBS
FGCU - future FBS
UNA - future FBS
Jacksonville St
Chattanooga- future FBS

Belive JMU admin would be much happier with this conference than the Belt.

Travel wise it mimics the ACC and would be nearly as bad as CUSA. If things fall in place, wouldn't be surprised if this is already being planned. Fire away.

You are not understanding the reasons why we turned down the sun belt.

Contrary to the haters belief, it had nothing to do with not wanting to be fbs and everything to do with the conference not being a good fit for jmu as a school and program.

We get almost no students from the southeast, have no history or connection with schools down there and play many sports that are not played or emphasized down there.

This league would be the same.

Cusa is more attractive because of schools like odu, Marshall, charlotte that have better connections to us. That is why we would go there despite the league being so spread out.

What schools in the CAA exactly does the JMU admin so value?
Elon, College of Charleston, UNC-W, Drexel, Hofstra? Hofstra and Northeastern have dropped football and therefore aren't interested in elevating the sport in CAA.

Can understand JMU desire to be with George Mason, Old Dominion, VCU, and Richmond, but they have all left.

Stony Brook far exceeds the academics of any CAA school, as it is AAU. But perhaps JMU likes the tony privates like Hofstra, but they will only bring down JMU athletics over time.

A conference with a northeast presence for student recruiting and one with a Florida presence for student and athlete and alumni presence makes incredible sense and the Sun Belt doesn't offer either, so can understand why JMU admin would look there. But an Atlantic Sun with Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany has the necessary schools that JMU wants to be associated with.

But perhaps I'm underestimating JMU desire to associate with William & Mary and Towson.

We didn't choose the situation we are in with the caa. It unfortunately turned out that way.

Why would we pay exit and entrance fees to get the same thing we have now?

And for non football purposes, the caa is better than all the aforementioned conferences and reworks
09-05-2017 01:20 PM
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RE: Join the Atlantic Sun and make it FBS
The problem I see with this is how do you get the NCAA to recognize it as an FBS conference with only Army and Liberty as existing FBS classified schools.

This looks like a core of CAA football schools with those 2 and then some other FCS. Don't see the NCAA allowing a largely FCS conference to declare itself to be FBS without more participation of existing FBS schools.

Honestly, I think it'd be much easier for JMU to go FBS Indy than pull this off, though I don't see our admin wanting that path.
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